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December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

SOO Sorry for the triple post DX, but I just noticed someone saying about how artists don't like their work redlined. While I can not speak for the artist on Subeta, I would like to say some artist, including my self DO like a redline. I feel it gives me another perspective on my work. Nothing is ever perfect and getting another artist view on it helps me see what I missed. Working on something for so long sort of makes you "blind" so to speak of mistakes, kinda like writing. So you go and have someone proof read it. They take a nice red pen and add in missed punctuation or fix a misspelled word etc. That is how I look at redlines. But then, I am a professional artist. I do art for a living and went to college and had MANY teachers go over my work so I guess maybe I am just use to it XD To each his own. I just wanted to give people the OTHER side of the coin so to speak Redlines aren't these HORRID evil things. They are meant to help an artist. This being said not all artist handle crits the same way. Some like them, and some prefer none at all, and some only like them from certain people. Since redlines happen in almost every attempted revamp maybe the news poster could include a note stating weather or not the artist who made the revamp wants to see a redline or not? Might help cut down on some of the malice that tends to run high on these kinds of things.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I must say... I don't like it. Not that the quality of art is bad; the shading is wonderful.

The posing is bland and looks far too humanoid, it simply looks like a furry in costume rather than an animal as the old pose did. The eyes are too big, the muzzle too small. And that lean build would not be able to support a head that large. I like the fuzziness of the feet, however the manner in which they were executed make it look like a character drug from the pages of a Dr. Seuss book. In my opinion, the whole creature would look better with some actual meat on it's bones.

Also... No offese meant, but you start telling people to be polite and give constructive criticism (which is good), but then you yell at them and call them inconsiderate for giving visual aids and redlines... I must say I don't get it. If an artist is so easily offended by one giving such criticism, then why is written criticism okay? Eh, whatever. Just my opinion, and nobody is required to agree but me.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Forgot to add that THIS looks much more Torrey to me. Maybe try to make it look more like this one?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

While the art is LOVELY I must say it doesn't say Torrey to me. At first glance I thought it was a whole new pet O.O But that could just be me being stupid. And I must say the comment about the wings being purple for accent is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Honestly it isn't the end of the world to add accents to a color with out adding random new colors to the common. It is getting extremely nerve racking to see the staff/artist whomever taking what I feel as an cop out or easy way. Yes, not EVERYONE will be happy with a redraw, that is life, but your making every pet the same. Almost every pet is being redrawn with butt spots or thrown on accent colors with this lame duck excuse of "well its for the accents, we can't possibly have accents for insert color here with out butt spots :O" The Clawson for one really peaved me off with that one. And here we go again with the Torrey. What we need is more revamps like the Paralix. Now that was a banging redraw. We don't need the same pose, but keep to the same idea. I didn't see random butt spots or extra color added on to the Paralix.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

As much as I would love to see the torrey changed, this really just doesn't look 'Right' for the change. The muzzle is so thin and long looking, seeing as the torrey is rather rodent/squirrel based, I would thing a shorter chubbier muzzle type would fit. Something about the way the hands and feet are are a bit bothersome as well.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

The wings are that colour so that there can be something that they could put accent colours to. Much like the Malticorn's spots, for example.

If this is the reason, it's a poor one. Accent colors can still be applied to the wings if they're kept light brown in the common version. In fact, that's exactly how several of the current Torreys are colored.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I like the old one better. It just has more cuteness and it's more chibi-like. I think the new one is too skinny, the wings being a different color contrasts to the light brown fur color, and the eyes are more narrow.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I'm sure someone has already said it, but I feel like the feet lack definition. Have to say, though, the new style of wings is awesome! I really like the new face shape, the older style was a little more teddy bearish than the other pets and didn't seem to fit into Subeta's currently style. Overall, lovely revamp.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I love Torreys. But this REALLY needs to be fixed otherwise my love will vanish.... sniff The head seems out of proportion.... Its really big and the snout really small and long. The ears look like someone was attempting to comb bad hat hair. The bangs are alright but it makes the right side of the head look bald. At first i liked the wings but now they look like bird wings with bird feathers and i would like you to remember these are supposed to be torrey wings.... the old pose was alot better.... made me think "Now thats a Torrey!"..... and last is the feet. They look like the toe fur is griping onto a branch or something..... Again very curly like the ears... i know saying all this is easier said than done but i would just start over..... Thanks! Voting old

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

sorry about the double post

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Not to be mean, but it kinda reminds me of a mouse. I liked the cute teddy bear cartoony look of the old one. I agree with some of the others. Keep the great art shading stuff, but go back to the old pose, and for the love of teddy bears and all other things cute, widen the muzzle!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Not to be mean, but it kinda reminds me of a mouse. I liked the cute teddy bear cartoony look of the old one. I agree with some of the others. Keep the great art shading stuff, but go back to the old pose, and for the love of teddy bears and all other things cute, widen the muzzle!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

The shading and art quality is GREAT on the new one -- that's definitely an improvement. But I do think that by changing the stance, it really changes the character of the Torrey. I liked the 3-quarter view, where the Torrey looked as if it were caught mid-stride. Would it be possible to redraw it with all that wonderfula rt quality, but keep the original in-motion pose?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I love the facial expression, but it definitely needs toes and a wing-color change.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Oh! It's adorable! I especially like the wings!

But I agree with sd_dreamcrystal. I little less of a stiff pose and some toes added to the feet would make it so much cuter! <3

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I love the new art.. but I still think it needs work. The wings are odd. Too small and such a stark contrast to it's body.. also the feet look odd. Maybe add toes? I think the wings should be a more muted color.. they look fake - like they were glued onto it.. plus they take away from the really pretty eyes. But over all, it's nice.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I think it needs toes. it also looks a bit too skinny and stiff. the nose and mouth area looks strange.

I agree this pet should be revamped, but I think this one needs a bit of work.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

1000x better than the old one. 'Specially with the colors. But the only thing I don't like is the shape of the face- the snout is too thin, and it sort of reminds me of a chipmunk. The feet could use a little more detail, too, since it so closely resembles a Who's furry feet.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

What a cute little fellow and if it were real would look as if it could enjoy a great game. Well done to the artist - brilliant work.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

i am quoting Tche's earlier post here in case people have missed it since everyone thinks that redlining an artist's work is even ok then you should read this: "Several artists have said it was bothersome to them, especially when you redline all of the pets.

If you want to submit a redline, submit it to the artist's mailbox. Right now, I feel like these redlines are spiteful and downright malicious, especially if you have them ALL OVER THE PET."

just reposting it in a quote since you all think it is ok to do when artists have said that they not like it...and i know for a fact that artists outside of subeta that i admire hate having their artwork altered in any way without their permission...so have some respect for the artists on subeta is how i feel

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I vote for this one as well

I like the anatomy much better ^^

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Not bad overall, but I find it a bit stiff (posing). Also, I think toes would add greatly to the appearance of the feet

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I like the art style of the new one, but there are a few things I would change. I think a lot of the modification examples already supplied are great. My main thing that I wanted to add, though, as that I don't like the color of the wings in the new one. Keep them the same color as the old one.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

love it but the feet look a litle off to me

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I like the new coloring/shading, but I like how the old one looked like Tails.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I love the new one~

But the tail looks a little off to me. I think it's a little too big, but thats just me,

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I love the re-coloring, shading, definition in the limbs, just about everything in the revamp. There's no question it's technically a better drawing. My only criticism would be the pose is a bit static and isn't as dynamic as the older version.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

My vote: <center><img src=http://images.subeta.net/pets/torrey.gif>
I vote for the old Torrey, it looks SO much like Tails from Sonic, he's my 3rd fave, so VOTE FOR THE OLD!!!!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I adore everything about this pet, except the wings looks a little off. i think a cream colour would suit a bit better, but other than that... Amazing job.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

One word: stiff.

When I look at the creature, everything just seems so...straight. Sure, there are definitely curves, but they seem only slight. There's nothing really curve-y (if that makes any sense).

Looking at the old Torrey, although it looks a bit off balance, one can see a slight curve in the torso/back. This Torrey is just straight up and down. Same goes for the face/cheeks, the portion of the tail that is actually really showing, the Torrey's left arm, and both the foot and thigh portions of the legs. I could take each of those body parts and draw a straight line through them, kind of like a stick figure, and it would look like that was the base sketch.

That's NOT was animals are like anatomically. Well actually they are, but animal anatomy requires many straight lines. This one could probably get away with 15-25 TOTAL.

I hope that makes sense...?

The red line people keep posting looks pretty good. The cheek fluff looks more full so the head looks more rounded, the arms are more curved so the awkwardness in the left arm is taken care of, the thighs look more like curved, cartoon-y thighs than stick legs, the eyes are less angular, and the nose looks more short and rounded.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I love the eyes and the wing change!! All in all, it's a nice revamp...the arms seem a little disproportionate to the rest of the body, though it could be due to the fact they are now slightly bent where the other one had arms straight down...also, I kind of like the little head-cock of the other version...it gave it a cute, quizzical look and that one is lacking that kind of personality...but it's a nice revamp!!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I like Ayakat's 1, for me the mouth looks too small, 2, the hands seem too big, 3, even though it's intended to be perspective, the feet look wonky, also, I REALLY like the smile of the old version of the Torrey, it's adorable... also... if you could lift the tuft at the top a little, it looks kinda emo...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I looove this and I never complain about coloring (like somebody already said, there isn't a need to) but his head is a little too big. It looks "chibi".

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I love it, just the mouth(Muzzle area) looks a little odd

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I like the new one but I like the old green eyes better.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Whoah. So cute o3o I love the new design, especially the eyes. However, the wings look too... Evilish (If I make sense!) and I think that they should perhaps be a more browny colour c: Also, in my opinion, I quite like the smile c; Overall, so cute! -Applauds-

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Hurrah Sunnie xD

Anyway, I posted earlier but and I also vote for ET's redline.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

The revamp is very well drawn and colored, as always. No one ever complains about the coloring style, eh? : ) Well, there's no reason to.

I've never owned a Torrey and I don't plan to, so maybe my opinion is unimportant in this matter. Regardless, I'd like the Torrey to remain close to the style it's drawn in in the old pictures. The revamp is too human-like for my taste, and I liked the green eyes better. I'd also like the smile to be less... Disney-like? I'm not sure why it reminds me of Disney.

I actually like the purple wings. But I won't mind if they become brown again. And the revamp's ears are simply perfect.

Of course, it's the Torrey owners who should be heard in this matter, not me. 8D I'm glad Subeta artists take the time to ask the users' opinion.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

i think it's the nose + the open mouth. loving the wings, though ~ !

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

The redline posted below is gorgeous.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I think the snout should be a bit more prominant. I don't like the purple wings though. Other than that, I <3 the revamp.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I think I agree with most people on here. It's muzzle should be thicker, it's eyes green, and it's wings that cream/brown color. He could also do with thicker thighs and maybe a slightly thicker neck. I love the detail on this new one, though perhaps you could add some fur to his belly too, since the old one looks furry all over. I also love the tail and bangs of this new one.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Eeeee.. Deffinately a much needed revamp. Although it needs a few changes.. The legs need more chunkyness i feel, and i think the toes could do with some shaping rather than being fluffballs.. :/ Aaand um, the snout is waaay to small for the head i believe? The pointy ears are quite owl-ish.. not too keen ;(

Make the eyes green, too!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

The snout/muzzle is a little too small for my liking... but I don't mind. Brilliant art (:

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

If it had the colors of the old one, and had more of the chubbiness, it'd be better.. I do like the new tail, though.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I agree, ET's redline is definitely the best critique I've seen.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

The wings are that colour so that there can be something that they could put accent colours to. Much like the Malticorn's spots, for example.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

go artist this looks great

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I went and took another look at the Popoko and I think the reason this new Torrey looks like that to me is the ear tips curving upward. In the current Torrey art the pointy tufts are aimed to the sides, which does make for a drastically different feel. Both critters have small muzzles, big eyes and forelocks that hang into their faces, so making the ears more similar really does make them look (to me) closely related.

I really don't see the skinny look people are talking about. Aside from the ears the lineart looks perfect to me and the size and shape of the eyes are lovely. I just don't like that the eyes were changed from green, both because it seems completely arbitrary and because green eyes are associated with capriciousness and mischief, which was the impression I got from the original Torrey.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

It's nose is a little weird; maybe too small? And it looks like all of the mischief is gone.

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