Subeta -

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I have a suggestion, how about making it like a Chinese dragon or something? To be honest, I don't like the item so a change might be good, so why not make a dragon version of it? Just, something to get this fighting over with. This is getting completely out of hand and it's all over an image on a petsite.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

At this point I think we should just stop fighting and go back to normal. Change the longcats into something else, (maybe the hund could be a "longdog" wearable) but this is rediculous. Not only is Subeta under extreme attack, but Keith and other staff members are under attack. The Armada has apparently been destroyed....almost all of the Subeta help sites are mysteriously gone. I'm not saying surrender, I'm just saying it's not worth a war anymore. Give them the longcat and let them go whine somewhere else.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

NOBODY wants longcat anymore - it's too much of a hassle. Don't kill the site by voting to keep it. Is that item REALLY worth that much to you?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

But its NOT REAL. Join the real life whoever is fighting over this and let reality smack you upside the head please.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I don't know if getting rid of the longcat will actually do anything. They will just keep bugging us--all of us. Users, including myself, are sick of it. Why do they have so much against this site? I don't think I'll ever understand them... <img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_sad.gif border=0>

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

i love the cat.....but if subeta is going to get shut down for that cat.....it's just not worth it!<img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_grin.gif border=0>I can't live without sbeta!<img src=/images/smilies/6398_emoticon_raspberry.gif border=0>

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

aww.how cute.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Soph-I am so sick of people saying that! If you want something done then do it yourself, stop complaining or start helping. Because you can't complain about something until you've actually done it. And if you want something done right (AKA your way) then you get off your butt and do it yourself.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I think we just need to strike up a deal. I've talked to a 4cahn member and I can see their side. The methods they've used are...less than agreeable but perhaps an agreement could be met. Not all of them are as unreasonable as we seem to think. Some are downright polite. We need some type of "peace treaty" hammered out. We need more communication. We need the site back to normal. O_o;;;

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

At this point, I dont even care about the stupid cat. I just dont want subeta to shut down x_____x There must be /something/ we can do! Why cant we find a way to stop them? Theyre not gods, for god's sake!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

i'm sorry about all the trouble you are having, subeta darling huggles

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

You're right, Keith did nothing. To stop this, that is. Actually, he probably made it worse with the way he reacted. I'm not saying 4chan was right, because they weren't, but this was NOT handled in the best way possible. And because of THAT we are going to be paying for awhile. Just get it off the site, edit the name, whatever needs to be done, to slow this down. It may not be theres, but its not OURS either, so why are you all acting as if it is.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

...I have no idea what's been going on... I haven't seen anything about the longcat until now... I think it's a cool item, though- why is it causing so much commotion?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

We all know that there are many 4chans part of this site right now. They're obviously going to vote yes, but whatever. The true Subetians should be able to overpower their votes.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

This whole thing is immature. Noone owns the rights to Longcat. Its all over the internet and the fact morons are posting rude and hurtful things on here is just pathetic.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I say we keep it but I'm pretty sick of the crap going around. Keith did nothing. 4chan did. End of story. Don't spread rumors.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

To be honest, people from chan are just being pathethic. By what they are doing, it seems like they don't have a real life and have nothing better to do but show how great they are by hacking and annoying others.

I personally think longcat should stay - if we take it down, it will not happen, anyway. We should just 'fight back' - report it to police or something.

And it's not really a fight just for one item, more like a honor of subeta. We did not do anything back, so we have all right to keep the item. Deleting it and hiding in the dark corner will not help, you know?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

At this point it's not worth removing the longcat in my opinion. The users here like it and the "people" will keep attacking anyway.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I really dun c wat the problem is here why the long cat they are only another item in subeta we shuld hold in there and let the longcat stay !!!!!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

i voted to remove longcat, we also need to remove orly

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I'd say remove Longcat and hope the raids stop. Otherwise, we might lose subeta completely, and its not worth risking this site for a single item.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Oh By the way...

We Love you Subeta! Oh yes we dooooo!! Oh Subeta we love you! hang in there!!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I cant believe that so many people have so much hate inside of them that they would attack Subeta. I say we stay strong, just cause some group is causing a ruckus, acting like virtual terrorists doesnt mean we should back down, cause that will lead to a next time. We have to nip this thing in the bud not bow down to others demands.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Quote: Why aren't they?

They have to contact their ISP in order for them to take action.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I don't understand what kind of ISP Services are allowing their clients to take attacks.
Service providers control the gateway through which Internet pests enter and reenter the system. As such, service providers can help to stop these pests before they spread and to identify the individuals who originate them in the first place.
They can monitor for abusive traffic patterns, block machines and ports participating in DDoS attacks and even scan user machines for basic security controls.
Why aren't they?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

There is a Debate thread for discussing this issue.

PLease take your comments there.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Internet police? Yeah, good luck with that. :\

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

If not the FBI maybe the ACLU?

longcat is a concept...of a long cat. Being a concept, it cannot legally be copyrighted. Therefore, it cannot be owned. Therefore, 4chan does not own longcat. Therefore, Subeta has every right to keep the item. sorry for all the "therefores"

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

It won't do any good getting rid of the Longcat. They want to bring all sites pet related and furry related to ruins, Subeta included. The staff needs to get the FBI and the internet police involved, so they can arrest them.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I voted. =|
4chan doesn't own the 'longcat'. The longcat has always exsisted. you just need to own a cat to realize it. just pick it up for chrissakes and you've got yourself a longcat. therefore, they have no right to be bashing random people, sites and users of those sites for enjoying it. I dont understand why anyone would be so angry for sporting it anyway. before all this trouble started, i'm sure "longcat"'s popularity and intrest with our users rose. I never heard of such a thing until subeta showed me. =3

I personally think the longcat should STAY. Removing them wont fix this, considering they now want to bring down subeta. removing the longcat would only convince them that they had some sort of power over us, and then maybe they'd claim to own other items here and force us to remove them. There are an awful lot of longcats now in subeta (spay or neuter your longcat. =O ) and it would be a shame to lose them to some childish group with the mindsets of rocks.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I agree with Terra with one modification.

Make a diferent, minion/wearable item. And replace the longcats/

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

So, if I understand these recent comments... if "/b/" (which is actually not a part of this invasion at all since 4chan has made invading a bannable offense) is going to continue invading if Longcat is removed, then what's stopping from from invading us if we DON'T remove the beloved mascot all of the Chans have adopted?

If you ask me, quite a few of the Channers might be happy that Longcat is gone, and the few that still have a grudge won't have enough dataforce to do anything to this site.
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I suggest that an sP or item refund is given out to all of people who have thier Longcats removed, that way everyone will be happy!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I love how now people are throwing insults of "stupid idiots" its already been said by the chans if the long cat goes there still going to attack subeta till its gone, so why get rid of it now? its a little late for getting rid of the cat to do any good, if it even would have in the first place. The chans do it for fun. Not to get whats "theirs" back.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

If we don't delete the Longcat, then they're not going to stop. Simple as that. And I like the longcat art, yes (hell, I stuffed my pet 4chan's treasure box full of the things) but the fact is 4chan doesn't like it. And users who play the site are suffering because we don't back down.

Can't we just swallow our pride and get rid of the thing? Replace it with something else.

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December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

how was long cat in bad taste?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I'm gonna say right now that I never liked the longcat item.
I knew right from the very start that it was a bad idea, it was in bad taste and it would only be a matter of time before this happened.
Warnings were made, and ignored and I honestly wouldn't have cared if longcat stayed or went.

However, it's now become a matter of principal. It's not about the item, it's about the site as a whole. If we roll over and give up longcat, they'll keep coming.

I say, as much as I dislike it, Longcat stays.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Windsongs-
Why does it matter? They still won't stop...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I am so sick of hearing that 'Anonymous will not stop.' Please, give it a rest. Anonymous is a group of cowards who can -only- act under the guise of being anonymous, plain and simple.

I think that Staff are handling the situation remarkably well, as tedious as it must be.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Petty...that is all this is. People want an excuse to bully and pick on others...and it wont stop even if the source of the uproar is removed.

Those that attack the site would want nothing better than to gloat about it later to their buddies. If hacking a site makes you feel accomplished, then take a stroll into the real world and discover how meaningless it truly is.

Geesh...why not just change the item to a 'Long Weasel'...cause Weasels completely pwn Cats anyday.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I read with great interest the origins of Longcat. What surprises me in all of this mess is that the group from 4Chan are not even the ones that created Longcat. They only adopted it as a mascot. Knowing this what gives them the right to tell anyone else who can use the image of Longcat and who cannot. Their high and mighty attitude started because they misunderstood that Longcat was being given to us instead of us paying for it and making Subeta a fortune for the personal benefit of Keith. Instead of apologizing for their blunder and backing off they did what every bully does. They kept attacking because they couldn't admit that they were wrong. This only shows that their IQ is smaller than their shoe size. I believe that we should stand behind Subeta, Keith, the Staff and all it's members and refuse to let these nazis terrorize us. I too think that Law Enforcement should be brought into this. If there is proof of death threats that is a crime in Canada and I'm sure it's the same in the States not to mention all the other tactics they have threatened. Fight them legally, proud and true while they use their back stabbing, anonymous threats like the Gestapo afraid to come out of the darkness and let people know who they are. Subeta will come out of this as it has always been....a wholesome, family site where everyone has fun.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Natasu is right, it is a form of cyber terrorism ... that's precisely what hacking is. Which is why it is wrong. No matter the reason given. And for those who think terrorism is all about fear, it isn't completely. It's about undermining security or a sense of security. Talk about senseless destruction of websites. Several sites were not only taken down, but even their registration to their url's has been broken.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I spoke to some people on /b/ and they said it's not about the longcat anymore. They won't be happy until subeta's off the internet and Keith goes down D :

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Coronaviridaes,
that won't do anything. Posting subeta raid threads is already not allowed on 4chan anyway.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Someone needs to start bringing legal allegations against 4chan for, idk, some form of internet terrorism.

Just sayin'.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Im not going to go deep into this but I think the Long cat should stay and theres why..

We as Subeta in whole did nothing wrong and to delete this Item it wouls stand to reason that we think we have wronged someone and thats just not the case..

I believe that even if we did Delete the long cat it still wouldnt help the problem with this Group of people as it seems to me as if its more of a fishing trip for them as there is no grounds for any of the Attacks that have been made at Subeta..

I understand the the problem Kieth and all of the Staff members have at hand and I personaly would like the to say how Sorry I am about all of this and all over one Item at that.. Its sad to think that the site I and so many people Love is under attack..

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I don't care either way if the Longcat stays, but this is ridiculous. Everything about it is.

/b/ has already said that if Subeta removed the item, the attacks would still continue. So why should they bother removing it with that ultimatum? That's not giving anyone incentive to do anything.

And if there are death threats, credit theft, and massive site hacking going on, then why hasn't anyone on the staff reported anything to the police? Those are federal offenses that are not being dealt with properly, and nobody's taking serious action on them. And just saying you'll stand your ground against /b/ won't change the fact that the attacks will continue. This situation will not change as long as both the Subeta staff and the 4chan users act in the same manner as they have been, and it doesn't seem like it's going to end any time soon.

Frankly, I don't think either site is going about things the right way. And all this over a debate about a mascot.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I'm sure you've all become very familiar with the phrase

"Anon does not forgive"

Taking down/changing longcat will not do anything.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

What's getting rid of the longcat even going to do? The drama won't stop until the fines are handed out, longcat or not they don't really care. Deleting the item will be like half giving up.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Not to get into debate - just stating my opinion and why I voted the way I did.

I voted to keep Longcat, and this is why - Subeta has done nothing wrong. Subeta didn't "steal" a copyrighted item; they only paid tribute to a popular ideal on the internet, in the same vein as the Orly. Gaiaonline.com has an item called the Orly hat, which they DID use as have-to-pay-for monthly collectible item. Subeta's Orly was a ticket shop minion, costing no money. Was a crime committed there by either site, in paying tribute to a popular internet "mascot"/ideal? I believe not.

In deleting this item, whether it appeases this "chan" group or not, we'd be basically admitting that Subeta did something wrong. I think Longcat should stay.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

This is a game site. It's where children and yes Adults play.. Other people making such a big deal over this item should realize this and leave Subeta Alone. My warmest regardes to Keith and his staff who have been working so hard through this issue and assuring us all will be well..

To the Enemy: Grow up! Get on with your life and stay out of ours...

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