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December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I would disagree completely. Considering that flys completely in the face of how the chans have raided in the past. But whatever, i'm not gonna debate this here, i dont wanna get frozen/banned/warned.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I think we should remove the longcat to prove that it won't do much. They want the whole site down. I don't really think that one little item is important to Subeta.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Sin, we already know they won't end it even if we DID remove/change Longcat. They've already set their sights on killing Subeta.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

It is completely within the realm of possibility that they could bring down this site in its entireity. they've done it to other sites. I personally say, just remove longcat. end this.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

^.^ And now they're attacking sites that have nothing to do with this - in subeta's name... oh fun.. /sarcasm

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I say no, lets keep long. They just need to get over their personality complexes and move on with life.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I cannot beleive they dragged other sites into this. I'm a mod and concept artist for the official Evelon stuff... and this is just dumb. Keep the Longcat. They have no rights to it.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

i say we hould all be male dog and piss on the longcat...then no one can claim it! hehe

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I voted to get rid of it, especially after seeing a very incriminating e-mail. They said they will stop. At the very least, remove it then add it back later if need be.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I've got to tell you, these people that are raiding are in no way mature. It's just something they're feeding off of, because they think it's funny to insult others, not caring if this site is full of little kids.
Removing Longcat won't help a thing. It's the Habbo Hotel mentality..
It's not even theirs to begin with. It's some picture that has a history that can't be traced that, for some reason, became this popular internet joke. 4Chan steals ALL of its pictures from other sites. It's not about original content.
Besides, the people on 4chan have no business claiming Longcat. They don't own 4chan. They don't pay for it, they just post the same stuff every day and bog down its servers. The people that own 4chan, the mods, are the only ones that should be complaining if in fact they, for some reason, own Longcat.
If that is the case, then the real owners of 4chan should be making a formal complaint to Keith, and it would be settled that way. End of story.
They're becoming Ebaums World, claiming things that aren't theirs. They might as well start watermarking everything.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Someone appears to be desperate to give these lowlifes what they want, which is the removal of an item concept they don't even hold a legal copyright over. Removing this item is NO guarantee these so-called "raids" will even stop. The death threats are going too far, but then it simply proves they'll attack and attack because they have no business in the discussion. It's a mob mentality thing going on here...the Staff explained the difference between site donations and donations to the users, but it still did not register. The Subeta Team have done what they can. I as a user don't see why the item should be removed - we're still going to get attacked even if the removal goes through. These guys don't care whether we keep it or not - we've got a target painted on us regardless. Once they start, there's little stopping them, unless legally the team wishes to sue them, though what good would that do, I honestly don't know. I voted to keep the item, I personally think 4-chan and 2-chan should wake up and realise the item is just pixels; if they truly want to get angry, go harrass the folks on sites like Ebay that are actually making real money from the basis of "Longcat". We're not making real money out of Longcat, and therein lies the stupidity of the debate and attacks they've raised against us. My support is with the Subeta Team through this mess.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

i think we should just give them LongCat and go on with our fun. from what i read keith is egging them on and its not fair to us. its not so much that they say they oun Longcat as Longcat is the mascot of /b/ and as such they
they are ruthless. when Anon gets united on something they will stop at nothing to undermine our fun in the name of "Protecting Longcat from FURFAGGETRY"
i think this whole thing is stupid lets just stop Pissing in an "Ocean of Piss" and remove longcat

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

See, this is what happens when you get a large group of stupid, immature, and selfish people together, especially where they're "anonymous" on the internet. Being selfishly and inconsiderately violent, is what they are.

I am reminded yet again of why I really hate the internet sometimes, and why I hate people in general.

Longcat should stay. Subeta should stay. People attacking others verbally and otherwise, regardless of the "reason" should go. Now.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Long live Subeta, and that silly cat that's causing a ruckus. I*m 400% pro kitty.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I'd have voted to keep the longcats except that someone is trying furiously to guess my password. I doubt being harrassed like that is worth keeping a pixel image around to taunt people. Its just making it worse on the people who have a high anxiety level that play your site to de-stress.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

4chan's attack has now spread to Hidden Crossroads and will be washing back to Subeta, since Evelon pets are somewhat popular here.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I don't even see what the big deal is, it's just abunch of pixels anyways. sigh

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

4chan is now attacking Lands of Evelon, which they think is affiliated with Subeta.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Whoops. x__x Sorry, mods. I didn't see that post about taking this to the debate. Delete it if you want. Sorry. =X

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Quite frankly, I'm sick of this.

I'm not sick of Longcat. We've just as much a right to it as the freakin' *chan boards. I'm not sick of Subeta trying to fight back: we're fully in our rights here.

What I'm sick of is the... what shall we call it? The /Mutiny/ that's going on by Subeta users. Trying to say the the voting is rigged when you have no proof, just a hunch. (Guess what? Most people want longcat to stay, deal.) Trying to say that we're not getting 'the full story'. (Keith didn't make that Livejournal, you idiots.)

I'm really, really sick of it.

You're entitled to your opinion, sure. I've got no problem with that. But STOP making false accusations when you have no reason to, and don't even know the whole situation.

Vote how you like, and accept the outcome. For the majority, Subeta is a democracy. If the poll ends up that longcat stays, then it does. Que sera, sera.

Oh, and to the staff: I love you guys. You've fought so hard to keep us safe, and you shouldn't even have to deal with this crap -both from outside, and from within. But just a tip here: I'd take legal action, not just internet action. From what I've heard, what the *chans are doing is very personal and illegal now.

That is all.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

If they change it, I'd rather see the longcat be called the kitty boa and then have it available in different colors. I mean really, it's a fun image.

On the serious side of things, I think this whole thing is rather out of hand. Raids/hacking is clearly wrong, but let's not go pulling out our "daggers" and desire to retaliate as some have suggested. That would be sinking to the raider/hacker's level. Somebody has to be the bigger man, as it were. And really, who cares in the long run about a stupid picture. Are we saying this is all happening on the matter of principal? I just want a truce called and this to end. It's not fair to the users of either site to lay blame on an entire site for the actions of the few. And I am speaking in general, so don't take my words out of context. I just want internet peace.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Cara already said once to take this to the Debate thread. I will say it again, and then I will start warning.

TAKE THIS TO THE DEBATE STICKY.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

People who are making a big deal about it and bothering subeta, should just go away. I mean, let it go. It's only a pixel image, and there are more important matters in the world. I can see if they actually drew the image, then it would be their art work. If it is their artwork, sure get angry, if it isn't, let it go.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Could we consider retiring Longcat on the basis of continued harassment? If anyone intends to attack the site for being here, then one itemâ€˜s removal isn't going to make a bit of difference. There are just some people with too much time on their hands. Some people play on a virtual pet site, while some make it a point to make others miserable.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Keep the long cats! They are cute and fun. We sould have more long cat stuff.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

First, standing up to the bullies of the *chan websites is not the right course of action, i feel longcat should be removed, or at least changed, and heres why.
This isnt middle school, and it isnt a fantasy, standing up to thousands of anonymous bullies is pointless, even if its the "right" thing to do. For one thing, they simply wont care. If we defy them they'll just continue breaking accounts and making subeta slow, not only that, they'll continue heckling keith. For another, no one else will care, i wont care, i just want to be left alone to enjoy myself.
Longcat is a nice item, and im sure he looks wonderful wrapped around your avatars, but is keeping it really worth slowing subeta, and putting our accounts at risk, not to mention causing headaches for our admins?
I dont think so.
"But accident! *channers dont care about longcat! they just hate subeta"
If that were true how come subeta wasnt targeted before? if it was i never noticed it. It certainly didnt warrant succesive news posts, or user votes.
"but they will continue attacking afterwards!"
probably, and i think that has to do with subetas handling of the situation as much as *channers bullying ways. but getting rid of longcat, or changing cant really hurt us. why not try it, if the attacks dont abate we can always put it back, its worth a try

Id rather surf free without longcat than have to change my password often, montior my account and be subject to lag, only to have one a hollow "moral victory"

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

From what I've seen and heard from /b/tards that I know in real life, and what I've read on Subeta's forums and news, etc, it seems that they're not going to stop, even if we remove the Longcat. And it's been said before, that that's not going to accomplish anything but teach /b/tards that they can get whatever they want by raiding a site. I think we should stand up and teach THEM a lesson, if we can.

To quote Holyhour:

Viva la freakin' Longcat.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Im really tired of everyone belittling the entire event by saying,

"this is so immature, its only pixels"

It is clearly something more than just pixels. Longcat is more than just a picture, its a symbol. And anyone who has even a small vocabulary should know what im getting at. Symbols carry far more weight than just the images or objects they are. If Mexico for example "stole" the Shourd of Turin, and France said, "hey give it back!" do you think people around the world would say, "Hey france lol, its just some dirty old cloth, stop getting so worked up!" Of course not.
Well, it really isnt fair to compare Longcat to the Shroud of Turin, but i hope you can see the point im trying to make. Longcat is a symbol to *channers. It doesnt matter who came up with it, who invented it, or who "owns" it. Its that loncat is associated with them, and popularized by them. To them, its "theirs" and "legal ownership" means nothing to them, yes Subeta has every legal right to popularize it as an item on their website. That clearly doesnt matter to them.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I think the longcat shouldn't be removed, it would give what whoever the guy complaining about it what he wants, plus there was no wrong in making the longcat item

but getting rid of it may stop problems too if it gets way out of hand for staff to stop or drive them crazy

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Oran i totally and completly agree wtih you. Horrah for standing firm in what is right!
It is our right to have the longcat, and just for the fun of it Subeta Artists should make an entire line of longcat items!! SO there.
I'm not afraid to stand and be counted,
=-----= are you?

(don't smail me tellig me I am wrong, or should not have my views.)
thank you!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I realize that there is a debate board for this, but I feel that what I have to say belongs here.

This poll horrifies me. Removing the Longcat, re-naming it, whatever, is absolutely out of the question. What would it be proving? That posting smut and being rude will get you what you want? I'm severly dissappointed that removing the Longcat is even being considered.

Granted, I know it's hectic for staff, but letting /b/tards get their way isn't going to help in the long run.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I'll be forever lost in an abyss of sadness if you remove longcats!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

How can there be this many votes when not that many users have been on today? Or does that counter "xxx users today" count only new log-ins? As in people that are usually always logged in on their personal computer aren't counted.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Personally I'd prefer to read the debate here instead of on the forum post made for it. A few posters signature pictures have been hijacked into some really revolting stuff.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

It's so stupid that thins whole war is over a friggin' pixel image. I personally think the longcat should not be changed. Hacking into a site is illegal and in all honesty...they seem like psychos...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

There is a debate board for this topic. Everyone migrate this discussion to the Debate Board.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Yar, personally, I think it should be changed to the "Lengthy Feline" and turned a different color.

Subeta is NOT, at fault here, but the hacking and pictures that are being posted and everything is getting out of hand o:

I seriously don't want anything subeta does to seem like giving in, but people are getting desperate. Sure, the Chan's are being idiotic, I wish there was a way to take this up legally, but I'd prefer the safety of the users over the color and name of an item.

I dunno', every time i think about this my mind gets completely scrambled xDD'

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I'm taken to a logged out page with many links. Just copy and paste this:
http://www.subeta.net/explore/polls.php
You should stay logged in and also polls are located in Centropolis.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

If you rename it, it won't do crap...If you leave it the way it is...it wont do crap..Wanna know why, because there is no problem here..Oh, wait, I forgot. There is a problem. Chan is the problem. They have retarded logic thinking. And, just to add this in, if you were to change the name, you would, in a weird sense way of thinking, be admitting that you are somewhat at fault..Which, we are in fact, not.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

We are not keeping it here in any way to anger them, but merely because we have the right to, since it isn't copyrighted, and because, as they themselves have sad, removing it doesn't matter now, it will do no good. Also, our users love it and that is what always matters to us first and foremost.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I think they should just rename the item, that way it has no affiliation with this group of people. It may not help at all, but then it may.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

It's just a coincidence, why would Subeta need to use a trick to get passwords to users' accounts? Now, if you're on another user's look up then there's a small chance that it could possibly be a trick, but not on the poll page.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Wow, I play this site with my head in the sand xD
I never knew any of this was going on. Thank goodness I keep out of the forums (not my own choice, a lovely glitch/error prohibits me from entering them growl)

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I doubt taking the longcat down would do anything. These people have already commited identity theft. If they get caught, this involves jail time. I just hope they get what's coming to them.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

First of all, I don't are about all the legalities. I don't care what staff have done or will do. I honestly don't think removing the longcat will do crap. To be quite frank, anyone and everyone who are complaining about the longcat need to deal with it. Get over yourselves. There are no legal issues with the longcat. You people were too stupid not to copyright it...DEAL WITH IT. Its not subeta's fault you were to ignorant to do this. The chan people need to take their sorry asses away, and deal with their messed up reasoning. If they have a problem with it, they can deal with me personally. Im sick of crap like this going on. Im sick of people always over reacting. This topic has been blown proportionally out of place and there is no need for this. Its the same with terrorism. If someone is trying to threaten your country, you simply dont just give in and go..Oh, OK. Im right, but ill go ahead and let you take over because Im stupid and think I cant do crap. BULLCRAP. If anything, keep it here just to piss them off more...-.-

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Actually its 420chan. If you want to see what they're up to just google and click the first (usually) thread under the /i channel.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

OK, I get a log in page when I click on "new poll." I'm not going to log in to vote because I don't actually get logged out, so I'm thinking that that might be a trick to get pw's.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

MY FRIEND she got frozen from a 3rd party and doesnt know what to do, what can she do???????

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

-___-
Did everyone vote yes?

Because I highly doubt this would stop anything.

Hemps is right. If they take it down, what would that solve? Letting those channers, whoever they are, 4 or 7 or whatever number, think they can just hack or raid Subeta or any other site?
PSSH, yeah..right.

Subeta is not wrong, nor is any of the admins or Keith.
Those losers who are like threatening anyone here aren't going to win. ;D

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