Subeta -

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I think perhaps there should have been a third option: Do whichever you (the staff) feel you need to do.

And I know that the staff don't all necessarily agree, but they are the ones dealing with the full brunt of it, and therefore this really ought to be their decision.
I know what I would do, and what I think is the right thing, but I wish my decision didn't ask so much of someone else, who does so much for me.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I said take it off.

It's not even a matter of an item any more of the giving into bullies issue.

I'm tired of looking at sick images. Im tired of people talking about it. Im tired of worrying about my account.

in the end its up to the Admins, But until they go away and the site is safe and my information is safe- I'm vanishing for a while. Good luck to the Admin team, I hope you win in the end.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Well, the work that goes into removing/changing an item is far less than the work that goes into cleaning up a mess of these proportions.

Keeping longcat and standing up to a bully might be the "right" thing to do, but it might not be the smart thing to do. Walking away isn't admitting defeat. There are some fights that aren't worth fighting, and I don't think it's worth it to be stubborn. If anything, we should look to history to see what we should do.

Authorities aren't going to protect this site; we've already seen that they won't. We are too small to stand up to them and teach them that they can't get their way by posting offensive rubbish and raiding the site. Let them have their way. It's not worth it to risk the site over this.

Thanks for that, Natsu.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

no ;( i love this freaky loooongcat

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

HAHA 12am us west 3pm us east thats halarious concidering 12am us west would be midnight... and the difference between the coasts is only 3 hours Falls over laughing!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

It sounds much more worth the try until you put yourself in the place of those who have to actually make the changes, remove replace and then put it back if it didn't keep the 4chans happy. Its a lot of work. And after all everyones been through recently, I don't see why the staff should have to be bothered with it, nor why the users shold give up the longcat.

It seems most people are in favor of keeping it. Yay.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Heads up?

http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1178038227892.jpg

Children safe

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

It stopped being about the cat a long time ago, if it was ever about the cat at all.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

i voted yes. please don't shoot me. like others, i think it stinks to give in to pressure, but i also know what it feels like to be attacked from every direction (i used to work in computer security) and the staff's wellbeing is much more important to me than a cute little critter. the ins and outs of he said/she said are far too complex to follow (i don't really want to know all the snips and barbs and smears -- there's enough drama in my real life), but i want keith and the staff to know that i am behind them, that it doesn't matter to me whether or not they messed up or who started what, that i'm all for seeking peace (though not at any price) and at the same time, circling our wagons around keith and the staff to protect them as best we can. perhaps removing longcat won't work; even if it doesn't, we can say that we did our best to seek peace and if there is still war, it is because the others want it, not us.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

If it is removed or changed, and they don't leave us alone... couldn't it be put back? I think it's worth a try, at least.

Plus, a Blob Kitty or Snowflaik scarf would be cute.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I vote to keep the cat. We haven't done anything wrong, and it's not right that we would have to give into this stupid bullying. I also like Kiyanayah's train of thought.

But voting to get rid of it, we are simply giving a opening for later attacks on the site and for other groups, or this one again, to pick our site appear. First the longcat, then what? A color we have? Maybe one of our pet species? A game? Our Avatars?

Giving in will not solve this, and it will only show others that we will give in. Keeping the cat might make use have to deal with this little 'war' a bit longer, but giving in means we will probably face worst in the future.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I say no. Removing the longcat will just be bowing to their petty demands. These people need to learn - they can't just go around attacking a site and expecting them to do exactly what they want. Fear shouldn't win over people.

Besides, it seems these people get a 'kick' out of trying to damaging a site - so removing the longcat won't be the end to it, like many others have previously said. They'll carry on and on and on. I say keep the longcat =D

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

And by No, I mean yes, remove it. =P

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Either way I see it, the idea doesn't belong to subeta no matter who made it.. Sure, it's harmless fun, but really not worth all this fuss. And if they don't go away after that, I don't see what other demands they would have really, unless it's just spite. Then subeta would have the moral high ground at least.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I haven't voted yet, but intend to. The choice for me is that while my HZ can wear a longcat, or I put in my store and sell it, the real life implications for the people who run the site and fansites are frayed nerves, relentless harassment, and long hours of work either protecting or restoring order to madness.

I admit being a 4chan lurker, but I can't sympathize with them on this. They let their site die multiple deaths because they take a lot and don't give enough back.

I don't think it's worth all that, if you care about the users and staff of both sites that have been directly effected by this because of the misconception of a few faceless assailants. I'm voting No.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

legal suits??

and if they are so persistant with claiming a longcat...dont you think they can do the same to subeta and find something to legally pursue us as well???

2 wrongs do not make a right.
subeta should be the better...make some changes!

i personally think they originally wanted their longcat back...if subeta didnt create the DC, then this problem of them claiming more and more of our items as their own would not be an issue now.

i dont feel safe on subeta as i did when i first started...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

In reading the comments, I've seen a lot of pros and cons on removing longcat. However, in my opinion removing it will only show 4chan that bullies can win, and they'll then find something else about us that they don't like. Will that get removed? And so on and so forth. I say keep the longcat, stand up the the /b/tards and tell them to go pound sand. And just like any other bully, they'll eventually get bored and go find some other target for their abuse/amusement.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Oh, I forgot to add something...

5. Don't act like they are, putting messages in the source code. That's childish as well (I'm sure there's other stuff y'all have done to keep the conflict going also, and it has got to stop)

Even if the "chan" people are in the right, they are not behaving appropriately, and until one side does begin to behave appropriately, this conflict is not going to end. Or at least end well.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Yes the chans can do worse but there is no giving them what they want. This is a group of people that gets off on destroying sites people love. They target one make up a reason and attack till its gone. On there forums they've already made many posts about subeta being this next target. the cat wont make them stop.

And there isnt much that can be done unless athoritys tear down that awfull site wich wont help either because they'll just attack everything in rebelion of there precious sites demise or else the more LOGICAL thing to make them do would be to make them not be able to post without signing up. Now they don't have a name a email anything to post they just post anonomous. Thats how they get away with things like child porn, no one knows who posted it. But theres been everything from child porn, phishing, credit card theft ,website demolishing, terrorist threads on the country, and so much more illegal crap on that site that people have even got arrested for. I duno why its still allowed to be there.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I voted to remove the item, even though I like the item. I don't know if they will stop bugging Subeta. 4chan bugs other sites too. It's not just Subeta.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Not it hasn't, RyoMcGonnagal

that was the innocent fluffed up version of what is happening

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I voted to get rid of it.

My mind is scarred from some of the things I've seen on here... I can't even imagine how the staff members who have seen so, so much more must feel.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I voted yes o: Or at least change it. Shouting from the highest hilltop about how the internet police are going to do something about the chans (whom have been around for as long as I can recall) and all that jazz isn't, well, doing anything. Or rather, it isn't really all that productive.

While admittedly, I'll prolly eventually lose interest in subeta like I did PonyIsland and MapleSEA and leave, er, well, this has gotten out of hand, sry2say.

And, well, maybe getting rid of Longcat won't stop the raids, but, like, bbs, I smell epic fail if all that happens is that, well, nothing, ah...

Nothing good? Nothing nice?

Or in short, if all you keep doing is going "nyah nyah nyah in your face 4chan, we're keeping longcat", I kinda think the reaction will be more than just "no u" 8D

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I say:

Don't remove Longcat.
If they continue to behave like little kids with no chance of ever getting a girlfriend (oh wait...), then pursue legal action against them. It would be their responsibility to provide proof of ownership for the Longcat idea/image/whatever, and I really doubt that they currently have that. Otherwise, they would've sued you like normal people.
Contact any of their service providers and tell them what they are doing. If they fail to act, contact the authorities.

Don't let them bully you into getting rid of it by harassing you and messing with the site. If they want it off, make them do it through the legal system.
If all else fails, distract them with porn.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I'm for keeping the longcat. Those guys attacked Subeta, because it has some weak points. They don't really want the longcat to be let alone, they want to terrorize. They are well organized, they found a method to gain attention, they made people scared - it's almost exactly terrorism. Just ignore them, it's the greatest of all punishments.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I think many people forgetting the most important rule of conducting yourself on the internet-- Do. Not. Feed. The. Trolls. They want a response, and by getting pissed off, you're giving them exactly what they want. Perhaps Troll-feeding should become an offense as much as trolling.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

If the admin believe that they can survive this war and keep the users safe, then I will trust them. o.o I also don't see removing longcat will actually help or not. Just hoping for the best when, whichever way this goes.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

"Oh on another note for those who get logged out by clicking the link on this post like I did. Just go to the polling place by ehe explore menue on the side to vote instead. Thats all I have to say so nuff said :3."

I figured out the problem with this... the poll links to subeta.net, not www.subeta.net, so it doesn't really log you out... it just makes you log in a second time, so that you're logged into both subeta and www.subeta. To solve the problem, just make sure the www is in the link

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

It's sad that it's come to this...I feel as if its going to first be the Longcat, then something else, then something else that they "claim"...when does it stop? When do we say enough is enough??

Yet I'm sure it's beyond frustrating to have the "clean up" the messes that these people are causing.

I can see both sides and I wish I knew of an easy solution...unfortunately the right thing isn't always the easy thing to do...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

arauna, have you not seen the clan creating multiple accounts, stealing our sP and posting negative comments.

i just think there is more that they can do!
longcat is not the problem anymore...

users need to thing about the site!
im just afraid that if this keeps going there wont be a subeta to defend anymore...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Quote:

; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Star they offer the poll to find out the opinion of the people, when what seems like so many keep screaming get rid of the cat and according to the pool its just a handfull screaming it over and over.

I wouldn't be surprised, with how little information most of the people have when they vote. I wouldn't have expected the poll to turn out any other way, when most people equate supporting keeping longcat on the site with supporting Keith and Subeta.

I'm saying we have more to gain, potentially, from removing the longcat. If the attacks stop or even get less severe, it would have been worth it. We don't know that they won't stop. Even if they don't, I can't see the situation getting worse.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I agree with you 100% Catalunas. I grew up being bullied too. No matter what I did, met their "requests" they kept on the bullying. 4chan is a "clan" of bullies. They will not stop even if we meet their "requests"

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Bullies are bullies are bullies. I grew up being bullied. And giving in to what they wanted never made them happy or got them to go away. They only laughed and came up with something else to bully you with.

...I don't give in to bullies. Bullying just ticks me off and makes me want to be more stubborn. I'll admit that.

I voted no, but I might agree to altering or renaming the item, depending on what it was.

But I don't think getting rid of it will solve the problem... Giving people power over something... Only makes it worse, in my opinion.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">debi, why ask us about removing the item if you guys know its not going to solve the problem in the first place....

Obviously, not all staff members have the same opinion on this.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Eitriarch, The WHOLE story has been posted ont he news like two days ago.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

not to mention that shortcat is also a *chan meme. So no, that would be fail.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Deano, I like that idea. lol I actually like that name too

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

This is useless. Too many people don't know what's going on so of course they're going to say keep the longcat.

MAYBE IF EVERYONE KNEW THE WHOLE STORY...

then we'd have an accurate vote.

nice, guys. Nice.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I look at it this way.
There is only so much you can do to correct it.
You can remove the item-
Not remove the item-
redo the item and make it into something else.
You just need to figure out what is most important to you.
Your sense of rightness, or your players and staff.
Me personally, I would've removed it from the beginning. It wouldn't be worth the drama or the risk of my players or my wasted time.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

have we tried to find out yet jess??

why is subeta fighting a war they claim not to want??

negotiate...do something...try something.
right now subeta is letting users be exposed in a dangerous way. even our personal information is being attacked (something subeta promises us wont happen)...and who knows what else they can do???

this is not worth the longcat in my opinion...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Hmph. We've already conceded with the mere making of this poll.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Star they offer the poll to find out the opinion of the people, when what seems like so many keep screaming get rid of the cat and according to the pool its just a handfull screaming it over and over. The admin hanven't been trying to protect us? What makes you say that? They've had to protect themselfs as well, they had to protect their LIVES and your account.

And if you've looked at the 4chan forum, the cat wont make it stop. They're set to destroy subeta weather the cat stays or goes.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Maybe renaming it lol I like the idea of a 'Lengthy Feline'

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

What if we remove it, and if they stop, then good, if they dont, we bring it back.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I really love our longcat but I'm sure Keith and the rest of the staff have far better things to do then spend all day fending off raids.

Maybe we need to be the bigger people.

So I say bye bye longcat.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

We can "remove" or "change" the Longcat... but they will not stop their pitiful attacks because they apparently get off of what they're doing. Must be really bored over on their site. Must be jealous because Subeta is FAR more better and more entertaining than their lame site.

They "claim" they will stop if we remove the cat, but I highly doubt that. They will continue no matter what we do. So NO to the removal.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

What exactally is the big issue? I must have missed it, lol

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

The ones behind this is "4chan", which appears to be a big forum of bored perverts who "raid" petsites for fun. The Longcat isn't thiers - there is no copyright. They took it from another site and made it an internet joke - people even sell Longcat prodects.

These sick little hackers have been threatening our Admins by making obsense phone calls, hacking user accounts, and posting porn all over the forums. They also hacked into Keith's credit card account and charged 18k. Why should we give in to them? Keith has already contacted the police.

They claim that Keith "attacked" them by hacking thier site, but the isp logs prove that that is a lie.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

debi, why ask us about removing the item if you guys know its not going to solve the problem in the first place....

it doesnt make any sence. there are different ways to solve every problem...instead of worrying about 4chan or what ever terrorist clan they claim to be, subeta should be trying to keep their users safe...this has not been the case and there has been no actions to prevent or solve it.

thats why i said subeta made a mistake.
there is a solution out there...we dont have full knowledge of the situation so its up to the staff to fix this.

make subeta safe again.
remove/change the longcat.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Crazy, if you go to explore and go there its fine but if you click the announcement link to polls it loggs you out shrugs anyways

LONGCAT FTW!

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