Survival 2020!

February 19, 2020 2:35 pm

It’s the time you’ve all been waiting for, Survival 2020! Gunner has been working hard with some Subetan businesses that wanted to sponsor strains this year for the Volunteer Infection Program.

Celebrate your love safely with the new items from L’amour Parlor!

You can purchase items from Louis by using candy hearts you receive by kissing on the forums. Use the following code in your status or on the forums.

If your tastes lean a little more underground, try visiting Skitters. He’s got some great items this year.

Don’t forget to pay your respects at the Survivor Memorial. Keep an eye out for these flowers, as they’ll either restock at Seedlings or float around the site!

You can also frag the flowers you find floating!

First year celebrating Survival? Or maybe it’s been a while and you’d just like to brush up on how the holiday works? We’ve put together a frequently asked questions thread for you. If you have any questions that aren’t covered in the first post, post and we’ll get to you as soon as we can.

Survival ends at 11:59pm on March 4th! Survival forums will close at 11:59pm on March 6th.

February 23, 2020, 3:11 am by

where is that?

February 22, 2020, 9:56 pm by

Loving the random kiss function!! Thank you staff!

February 22, 2020, 2:48 am by

Assfinktersezwat?

February 22, 2020, 2:47 am by

I'm glad we can agree that you're the only hypocrite here. Have a nice day.

February 22, 2020, 2:43 am by

Common ground, at last! :D

February 22, 2020, 2:32 am by

Lmao. Imagine bickering and insulting people and then stopping because suddenly you're the one in the line of fire. Also oh look, more insults. Noticed how I never insulted you?

Truly, I'm the bad guy here.

February 22, 2020, 2:30 am by

I didn't call the sex-repulsed prudes.

That's all I'll say, because as appealing as the idea of scrabbling to explain myself and beg pardon of an antagonistic, insulting hypocrite drooling for a fight while pretending to be the good guy... actually, no, that idea isn't appealing at all.

February 22, 2020, 2:22 am by

its amazing how bad some people dont know what a slur is.

anyway bdsm was Not what i was expecting to see here but im actually pleasantly surprised that we got some neat variety for once so cool shit @ staff. right when i wasn't looking forward to a holiday because i was getting bored of the same old you saved the day

February 22, 2020, 2:12 am by

Thank you for the Ace and Aro pins!! But I'm also not overly thrilled about the majority of the items being bdsm themed. :( I always look forward to cutesy pink stuff, and I was kind of shocked by the selection of overly sexual items this year. I know there's usually a handful of items every year that lean on the sexual side, but it'd be nice to have some balance.

February 22, 2020, 1:44 am by

That sounds like a good solution if this type of thing happens again. A filter of some kind would be good, maybe splitting gore and adult themes since I wouldn't necessarily want to hide EVERYTHING rather than just the kink items. Hindsight is 20/20 though, eh?

February 22, 2020, 1:40 am by

It is entirely one thing if someone self identifies. These people are not self identifying as prudes.

You're just using it as a slur because "Oh I identify as a pervert and I'm perfectly okay with it/fit the definition, so let me call these people prudes because they fit the definition in my mind"

If I am wrong, please feel free to tell me how I am misconstruing this.

February 22, 2020, 1:36 am by

Lol, as if I can tell what your gender is based on this one comment. I don't care enough to stalk your profile and find out, either.

Okay, so tell me how exactly I misconstrued what you said? You are saying that you are a pervert, and identify as one, but clearly you think people who are BORN SEX REPULSED are prudes because you think they should be able to be called prudes when they don't identify as one.

February 22, 2020, 1:22 am by

I haven't LEARNED anything, because you misunderstood/willfully misrepresented what I said. But, ah, you're not looking to understand, are you? You're looking for fights and drama.

Also I'm a girl. Seems hypocritical of you to be THAT kind of person, then misgender me so many times it looks on purpose, but I'll assume it was an honest mistake and forgive you. That's how you avoid conflict, rather than seeking it k. ^-^

February 22, 2020, 12:50 am by

Nice! I think I'll be going for it next depending on how it turns out. :D I'm on 3rd stage Metal atm.

February 21, 2020, 10:12 pm by

I do know someone who identifies as a prude, though I think it's more for her own amusement than anything else, since she's not too judgey of other people, she just doesn't want to be told about their private shenanigans.

What I've gathered based on discussions in another thread is that several users requested these items in the holiday request threads, and it was generally thought that since there was no objection in the threads where the requests were made, it was assumed that nobody would object. The thing is, though...the majority of the userbase does not read those threads.

There are a lot of CWs that are harnesses and whips and whatnot, and there's the Giselle Kinkylove set. After participating in this discussion for several days (to the annoyance of several of my friends on both sides lol), I have come to the conclusion that the presentation--and the bait-and-switch, given that most people were expecting something else when they went into the shop--was the problem.

This type of item has been on the site for a long time, and I would guess that the people who really don't want to look at it self-select their friends to be people who really don't want to wear or look at it, either. Plus, a lot of people who use these types of items use them as part of an outfit that you could actually wear outside the house.

But people who don't want to see this stuff don't go inside the kinds of shops that sell it or hang out at the kinds of festivals where people wear it out in the open. When you walk into a kinky sex shop, or head down Folsom Street on the day of the Fair, there are signs informing you of what you are about to walk into, and people who don't want to be there usually take the hint and go somewhere else.

It wasn't possible to do that when they didn't give us much warning and the shop that was taken over, while being a shop that does feature sexy nightgowns and underwear, has traditionally carried a wide range of clothes--lolita outfits, dinosaur skater dresses, pinup aprons and wigs, rather than focusing ONLY on the bedroom.

We should've had some of the items people were expecting to see, and either another tab or a pop-up shop with a content label, so that people who are sex-repulsed or have sex-related traumas could choose not to go in. And the pride pins should have been in the regular tab with the relatively innocent stuff, so that if you're a sex-repulsed ace or an anti-porn feminist lesbian, you could go in there and grab your gear without having to see everything else in this huge overwhelming display.

February 21, 2020, 9:17 pm by

When creating custom items:

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^ site rules

February 21, 2020, 8:47 pm by

Me starting to read comments

February 21, 2020, 7:53 pm by

love most of these items but i do agree that subeta needs an item/avatar viewing filter. i've seen sites with it and it works well, so people don't have to see nsfw items/avatars if they opt out of it or if they're underage

anyway im hyped for the new viruses and cant wait to see how they progress!

February 21, 2020, 7:49 pm by

Yeah I was just referring to him; he literally called himself a pervert and used that as justification to call others prudes, though it seems he's learned you probably shouldn't do that when one doesn't identify as a prude (since I was born repulsed, not a choice I made. I'm not even offended by these, just miffed that it appears yet again sex overtakes love in this holiday)

Boy, I feel bad for subeta devs right now. Server death and drama? Delicious to watch, not so delicious to have to control

February 21, 2020, 6:53 pm by

Whoops, sorry! If you were replying to who I think, I can't see that person's comments.

February 21, 2020, 6:03 pm by

The last thing I'm going to say on this is that just because something can get around the laws doesn't necessarily mean its okay just like how some illegal things are not wrong (like for example, in some countries it's still illegal to be gay). I think people are less concerned with the specifics of what constitutes PG13 ratings and are more just thinking along the lines of 'If I as an adult could chose to potentially expose children to bondage and other sexual fetishes/items, or I could choose not to that, I'd rather NOT do that'. It might not be illegal to have lube in the shop or whatever, but people are allowed to think it isn't really appropriate for this site, and people are definitely allowed to be uncomfortable.

Staff get a lot of flack for a lot of innocuous stuff on this website and usually I do give them the benefit of the doubt because they don't usually mean any harm and I know how hard they work for us but this imo does seem like a huge misstep and if it goes completely unaddressed (like if they just wait for this to blow over and never speak about it again) I'll be extremely disappointed to be honest.

February 21, 2020, 5:44 pm by

Please read before you ping me, next time.

February 21, 2020, 5:43 pm by

He LITERALLY said he self identified as a pervert. I wasn't calling him anything. He, however, was calling people prudes.

February 21, 2020, 3:58 pm by

I have Ice! 8D

February 21, 2020, 3:37 pm by

I am not sure we fundamentally disagree; I think most of the items are ok but am primarily annoyed that there is nothing else, but I was initially responding to someone who didn't understand why anyone thought any of the items would be bad for a 13 year old. I still think the zipper mask in particular is over the line because how it is used is so obvious.

But I thought you were addressing me with the horror movie rape scene comparison because I told the very true and regretted story of getting my baby brother into the third Omen movie because our parents said no to him and college kid me thought it couldn't possibly be that much worse than the first two. But it really was, because Damien was all grown up now and a sadist with no care for SSC.

I do think some 13 year olds are not ready to find out about kink, because my brother was not, and the existence of the 14 year old who whipped everyone's butt at Cards Against Humanity at a Homestuck meet I attended doesn't negate his. But if they didn't know before the news comments blew up, they do now!

February 21, 2020, 2:03 pm by

Everytime I come back to this announcement, the comments get more and more stretched. I get not being a fan of kinky items but it's also not the first time we get bdsm items for an event? Lol

February 21, 2020, 1:36 pm by

No problem! :) I'm really interested to see what I become... I wonder if it'll be like in that Sonic the Hedgehog SatAM cartoon where I become a half-human, half-robot sort of monster? :P

Also, I'm really interested in figuring out what virus strain that crystal is part of, because I might go with that one next.

February 21, 2020, 1:33 pm by

how exactly does the code work? I don't get it.

February 21, 2020, 1:33 pm by

Thanks for the response Sorry to pull you back in here but I couldn't find out how to send the comment from your profile lol I'm silly excited to see my progression in lake, though metal is looking pretty darn neat. Have fun turning into a monster! ❤️

February 21, 2020, 1:20 pm by

...And I double-posted because of the errors... Darnit.

February 21, 2020, 1:17 pm by

Yea, finally I got to post here after not being able to yesterday because of all the errors, but I'm on Stage Two of my virus!

Question for : What virus did you get that has that cool crystal? I might want to take it on after my current one finishes its course.

February 21, 2020, 1:01 pm by

Yea, finally I got to post here after not being able to yesterday because of all the errors, but I'm on Stage Two of my virus!

Question for : What virus did you get that has that cool crystal? I might want to take it on after my current one finishes its course.

February 21, 2020, 12:49 pm by

I'm loving the first stages of "Metal" so far. :D We get little Robot Buddies with us! :D

If I was going to name this strain, I'd call it "Engine Heart". :)

February 21, 2020, 12:26 pm by

Is there a comments record? Cause we about to hit 500 bay bee!

February 21, 2020, 12:16 pm by

I mean, you could go down the Google hole for anything on any website. It's not Subeta's responsibility (nor should it be) to worry about what people search for if they see it on the website. Like, someone who searches for "gay" or "transgender" on Google will very likely find adult content, and they will very likely find homophobic or transphobic websites as well (which are far worse). Obviously, we're not banning those words or discussion of those identities.

An even better example would be "furry"--you're gonna find amazing art and crafts on Google, but you're also gonna find furry porn. But discussing furries and having fursuit-looking wearables on-site aren't banned, even though there's a LOT of sex happening in the furry community.

Fundamentally, it's the responsibility of parents to help filter what their kids see online. If parents don't want their kids to go to 18+ websites, there are tools for that. It still isn't Subeta's jurisdiction. (We could have a whole conversation about parenting styles and what kids are blocked from seeing, as it is an issue, but honestly it ain't that relevant to Subeta specifically.)

I brought up horror movies originally because I do think that the movies can be far more traumatizing than a cartoon image (thanks to the addition of movement, sound, SFX, visceral emotional reactions, etc.), and teens still watch them all the time. Teens are more resilient than you think when it comes to things they view on their own. Now, if an individual user was targeting a minor to harass/groom/abuse them, then there's absolutely a problem. But the existence of kinky items on the site does not mean that will happen, and abuse like that happens without kink being part of the equation.

February 21, 2020, 11:47 am by

if you're going to complain about being called a prude, you could consider not calling people perverts.

I wasn't trying to annoy you. It sounded like you didn't "get" the TMI factor--I'm glad to know that you do! Remember we've never even seen each other in person so we're missing a lot of context about each other's lives. Sorry about that.

I think, as the person who brought up the horror movie, you maybe didn't notice that it was a movie that got an "R" rating in the 1980s when Angel Heart was very nearly given an X/NC17 rating. If it had been a graphic and brutal rape scene, I think it would have still been upsetting for my kid brother, but not nearly as confusing. I said "sadistic anal sex" rather than "rape" for a reason; it started out consensual and turned awful, but it wasn't clear whether consent had been withdrawn. My brother was freaked out because he wasn't sure what was physically happening due to the camera angles, and also because he was not ready for the concept of people hurting each other during sex for fun.

Now clearly the items in the shop are just pictures of items, but someone who was wondering why people would wear something like this could easily go down a google hole and find themselves watching something similar.

And with one of the items being a Hellraiser reference, well, I do not think the Hellraiser movies are appropriate for age 13 personally, due to the nonconsensual sadism, even though the first of those was also made in the 80s.

The other point was that "minor" is a big category. I was either 17 or 18 (I was in college but I started a bit early) and he was 13. I don't remember whether the movie came out in our area before or after my birthday. If we go with me being 17, which is the age for R movies, but not a legal adult, then I was 17 and in college and dating and had fooled around, and the scene was a little unsettling, but it didn't freak me out or traumatise me. But he was 13, which is the age for Subeta, and he was completely freaked out, having never been on a date and his possible exposure to sexual material having been finding stuff like my underground comix and my dad's Playboys. (And yeah I get that with the internet 13 year olds today have seen stuff that my brother hadn't seen, but...I am not sure that's a GOOD thing.)

The 4-5 years between 13 and 17-18 are really big years. 13 and 17 is a much bigger age gap than 17 and 21 even though it's the same length of time.

February 21, 2020, 1:41 am by

February 21, 2020, 1:37 am by

Please & Thank You!

February 21, 2020, 12:10 am by

Thanks friend, you've taught me a lesson I won't soon forget.

February 20, 2020, 11:34 pm by

was this close to choosing the Fevermore infection but figured I'd try smth new, Smoke here we gooo

oh, and an obligatory

February 20, 2020, 10:40 pm by

You identifying as a pervert doesn't make people who were born sexually repulsed "prudes". Keep that slur to yourself.

February 20, 2020, 8:41 pm by

yikes

February 20, 2020, 8:19 pm by

The entirety of my message was being who you are, and admit it. Heavy eye roll.

February 20, 2020, 8:14 pm by

Ugh, obvious aphobe is obvious. Sex repulsion is just as valid as being into sex. IT'S JUST HOW SOME PEOPLE ARE.

February 20, 2020, 7:56 pm by

ok but for real i don't think most of y'all know how content ratings work. what your moral view of what thirteen year olds should be seeing does not necessarily match the description of what a pg-13 piece of media is allowed to present. in terms of movies, at least, pg-13 media has more leeway in terms of depicting violence, drug use, adult activities, sensuality, and nudity. in terms of sexual content, this means that pg-13 media has more leeway in terms of adult-oriented innuendo, jokes and imagery, so long as it does not depict explicit sexual acts. is entirely, objectively correct in that the items do not portray anything that would break the pg-13 rules.

y'all are free to comment on how displeased you may be with the items this year, or how you wish they had added more typical clothing items or whatnot, but for the love of god please stop making all these wild assumptions on what pg-13 content is or is not allowed to portray. all it really shows is that no one actually went through the effort to do any research or understanding as to what content ratings actually mean.

February 20, 2020, 7:53 pm by

Um, what do you guys think prudes and pearl-clutchers are? Yez guyz keep saying you're not, then you go onto having a reaction that proves you are exactly that. Don't know why you want to have it both ways. I'm not gonna say, "Well I'm no pervert but I'm fine with all kinds of weird sex stuff!" I just admit I'm a pervert.

Just, you know, it's fine. Be who you are, even if it's a prude. Some of you are outright admitting to being REPULSED by sex, even most prudes wouldn't go that far so...

February 20, 2020, 7:48 pm by

I checked several times, but I finally got the notice that I will start changing. All is good now hopefully. ^^

February 20, 2020, 7:33 pm by

I agree with others who feel filtering is appropriate. BDSM and adult items could be under one tab in the Parlor. Accounts under a certain age just don't have access to that tab and maybe those items don't appear on avatars for those accounts either. And with it being a different tab, adult players can choose if they want to access those adult items or not. I mean, come on, consent is HUGE in this field. What's wrong with adults being able to consent to see this stuff or not? If they want to access the less explicit stuff in the Parlor, they can, without having to see things they might not want. And those who are interested could open that tab. Consent, free will. No need to prude shame, sex shame, or anything else. Let people do what they are comfortable with.

(Also great to see so many aces!)

February 20, 2020, 6:50 pm by

I agree that we've got options here - make the site 18+, add a filter option - before just plain removing the stuff. im not sure the filter option would be the best solution, but it's a compromise everyone can agree with, and it's better than as it stands now. but the site's got a lot going on. who knows.

February 20, 2020, 6:48 pm by

It seems to me, Subeta isn't a society of compassion for those of us who cannot just overlook an entire holiday (that once was full of frilly Valentine items for people who didn't want to be the walking dead) dedicated entirely to what is obviously sexual fetishism.

I went to the Parlor because that's what you DO during the Survival event. Had I been warned about what awaited, I would not have, as I am a sex-repulsed Ace. I don't give a damn whether or not you can make them look completely innocent on your HA. They are what they are. And for me, those things are traumatic. I CAN ignore two or three items like that, because that's the progress I've made with age. But this? I cannot even go back to that page. SMH.

P.S. I'm not a pearl-clutcher either. I've served in combat for my country. So eff you to the clueless, callous person telling everyone to relax.

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