Survival 2020!

It’s the time you’ve all been waiting for, Survival 2020! Gunner has been working hard with some Subetan businesses that wanted to sponsor strains this year for the Volunteer Infection Program.

Celebrate your love safely with the new items from L’amour Parlor!

You can purchase items from Louis by using candy hearts you receive by kissing on the forums. Use the following code in your status or on the forums.

If your tastes lean a little more underground, try visiting Skitters. He’s got some great items this year.

Don’t forget to pay your respects at the Survivor Memorial. Keep an eye out for these flowers, as they’ll either restock at Seedlings or float around the site!

You can also frag the flowers you find floating!

First year celebrating Survival? Or maybe it’s been a while and you’d just like to brush up on how the holiday works? We’ve put together a frequently asked questions thread for you. If you have any questions that aren’t covered in the first post, post and we’ll get to you as soon as we can.

Survival ends at 11:59pm on March 4th! Survival forums will close at 11:59pm on March 6th.

February 19, 2020, 7:17 pm by Error
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I 100% agree, my opinion does not negate yours and I did not mean to cause any offense. However, allow me to tell you why I felt the need to make the statement. I don’t know about your personal experiences as an asexual, but when I first came out, there were a few jokes, between friends, .thrown my way about how I can’t watch sex scenes. Or when there would be an ad with a woman suggestively eating a sandwich, that I’d be offended. Or that I’d self combust if I heard a perverse joke in my presence. And these jokes, these ideas, are associated with the stereotype that asexuals cannot deal with sex.

So when I read your comment, I just wanted it to be known, yes, there are asexuals uncomfortable with these items but there are others like me who don’t bat an eye.

Once again, no hard feelings. Just wanted to add my two cents.

February 19, 2020, 7:16 pm by Sigilmancy
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I knew this discourse was coming as soon as I saw the items, but I'm going to say I agree with what Dill said; nothing is named in a suggestive manner, nothing exposes certain body parts, nothing violates Subeta's PG-13 policy and I have seen far worse things in movies rated PG-13. If you don't like it then don't buy it, but let other people who do want to have them enjoy them.

I'm also glad there's no lingerie or such, because there's a lot of that floating around already. Getting some more targeted items to fill in where there aren't enough is nice. And personally I'm in love with the new gear. The artists outdid themselves on all accounts!

February 19, 2020, 7:13 pm by Isilven
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Also I'm dying in hysterics at this "won't somebody PLEASE think of the children?!?!??!" morality play going on here. Y'all too new to know about Kinkylove aren't ya???? Maybe this site just isn't for you if you're desperately trying to sanitize it. Another protip: Neopets trying to sanitize their image is why us gays and trans and bis and lesbians got literally fkn banned from Neopets and is why a metric ton of us showed up for Keith when he made Subeta. Having wearable paddles isn't going to magically teach minor children all about BDSM. What's next to be mad about, adult jokes in children's cartoons? Children don't understand the jokes until we explain it or they have those experiences, so keep your mouth shut on the meaning and we're all gucci.

February 19, 2020, 7:09 pm by Uadjet
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It's my first Survival and I have a wondering that wasn't addressed in the holiday FAQ post. Do we need to visit the places that sponsored the strains for this year? I signed up forever ago (just a few hours really) and nothing has happened. I just wanna grow a fish on my head! sob I have other stuff needing doing; does my pre-zombieness get put on pause unless I'm onsite?

February 19, 2020, 7:08 pm by Annet
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Happy Survival!

February 19, 2020, 7:07 pm by Isilven
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Can we seriously not have a holiday without SOMEONE trying to find something "problematic" about it? Literally not a SINGLE item is saying "love and sex are intrinsically tied and you can't have one without the other!!!" And no, this can't be compared to the hamfisted attempt at Veganfest full of "if you eat meat, you hate animals UwU" stickers and t-shirts.

Also, protip, I'm pretty sure Skitters is ace and one of the Survival subplots was literally all about he and Fantine's lowkey romance, so weird flex but ok.

February 19, 2020, 7:07 pm by Nuke
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All that said, I really agree with the sentiment of wanting more actual clothes. There's only so much utility for full body lingerie items and hardcore BDSM stuff lol. I get that there's only so many ideas but idk, I always want more skirts in cute pastel colors! Will never get sick of those.

February 19, 2020, 7:03 pm by Nuke
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In regards to my comment about asexual. I very clearly said it was in regards to the majority of the items being risqué and having love = sex automatically. Not that anything like that makes me uncomfortable in general. You being fine with it doesn't negate me not being a fan and I'm completely allowed to feel the way I do.

Criticism of something being a little much also does not equal pearl clutching "think of the children!" mentality. I really mostly see people being pretty respectful while a lot of the other side is basically saying "deal with it"... which, we obviously will, I don't think anyone is losing sleep over this. But I think it's important for people to voice their opinions if they're made uncomfortable about something.

February 19, 2020, 6:49 pm by Mithmel
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please

February 19, 2020, 6:47 pm by Error
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Briefly reading through, I just wanted to add my own perspective.

This website is geared to 13+, right? I don’t know when others first had their sex Ed class but, I had mine in middle school in seventh grade. Boys and girls were separated, we all had to watch educational videos, fill out a little test sheet to make sure we understood and then the teacher plus the... I don’t know the official title of the sex ed lady, but together they would then answer any questions that would come up.

Below the age of ten, this would be a cause for concern but at 13, they know more than you think. It actually worries me sometimes that they know TOO much but it is what it is.

P.s. I read someone say that as an asexual, they find this uncomfortable. As a fellow asexual, I gotta say I don’t.

February 19, 2020, 6:47 pm by Wesker
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  1. It's called slippy gel, that we are calling it lube is an assumption - your mind is jumping straight to it again because of experience
  2. It's not wearable so there's not even a "suggestive" substance to put on your HA
  3. Check this out - It's something I like better than having a silly argument on a pet site

February 19, 2020, 6:39 pm by Karma
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you are right about that, it's just the principle though. the risk isn't really worth the consequence.

February 19, 2020, 6:36 pm by KaZeyBear
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Anyways >_> enough arguing please. Please just take the frustration out on this button <3

February 19, 2020, 6:35 pm by Laurey
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Are kids even going to realize that's what it is though? It doesn't explicitly say that's what it's for, we know that because we're adults. But thinking back to when I was 13, I would have just assumed it was like flavored jelly or something, the actual purpose wouldn't have even registered in my mind because I wouldn't have known what it was.

February 19, 2020, 6:32 pm by Karma
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"It's not suggestive of sexual activity"...... what else would you use flavored lube for?

February 19, 2020, 6:32 pm by Laurey
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I don't want to get in a whole argument or anything, but honestly I don't really think any of this stuff is worse than anything I've seen in a PG-13 rated movie. They're not depicting any actual sex acts or particular body parts, it's just clothing.

It's all very subjective anyway, because some people might prefer their kids not to know anything about sex until they reach a certain age (good luck with that though), while other parents might not care as much.

As for the site being sued, I mean it's possible? People file lawsuits all the time for various things, but you'd need money and a lawyer to do that.

February 19, 2020, 6:22 pm by Wesker
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Also going to throw this out there - None of the items are named anything inappropriate. If you are calling it BDSM or whatever other sexual act, it's because "you" are associating it with sexual activity. Anyone one who wasn't already exposed to sexual things wouldn't make the same association. And unless the HA is in some new sex position I have never heard of, it's not suggestive of sexual activity. You are making an assumption of what "comes next" based on an experience you've had.

February 19, 2020, 6:19 pm by FENNEC
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Can the site be sued for this?

February 19, 2020, 6:14 pm by Dill
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The items may be a little risque in theme, but they do not reveal any body parts in an inappropriate fashion, nor is anything else in the images or descriptions in violation of the pg-13 rules of the site. These are in much the same spirit as the Giselle Kinkylove line.

Please remember to keep it civil and follow the Community Guidelines, folks. This is a holiday. If something about it isn't your cup of tea, don't buy it from Louis, don't buy it from Skitters, disable HAs if you're squeamish about zombies. If you need help, we're always available in the Ticket Center to assist you.

Thanks!

February 19, 2020, 6:12 pm by Wesker
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....People do realize that you can buy lube literally at any supermarket right? They don't close off the isle with a big sign that says "mature content. No entry without adult supervision"

Different strokes for different folks, hey

February 19, 2020, 6:08 pm by Ginseng
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I’ve thought for a long time that Subeta would probably be better suited as a 16+ site... As an adult, I like the kink items! They’re fun, and I can’t think of any other pet site that could tastefully implement them. However, that doesn’t mean that they’re appropriate for a site that is 13+. They're just not. Exposing minors to incredibly sexual themes is never appropriate. That doesn’t mean you should keep them in the dark about it, as minors should definitely be educated about these things so they can make informed choices, but they should absolutely not have sexual material that is meant for adults shoved into their view.

February 19, 2020, 6:08 pm by Frankenchokies
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Well I guess my point is, I resent the whole world going around shouting things down because "think of the children," when the children are the minority (and the children are already more experienced than I am).

I'm not saying go to schools and pass out BDSM stuff, I'm just saying that "think of the children" on the internet at all, anywhere except child-exclusive sites made specifically for kids, is pretty ridiculous. They've already got us shamed into not wearing shirts with curses on them or bumper stickers with bad words that kids might see, they already control the regular world, give us the INTERNET at least huh?

February 19, 2020, 6:07 pm by Karma
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Last thing I'm going to say about this because I've already said my piece and I don't wish to beat a dead horse: I'm truly appalled at what I've seen tonight. I would've thought that the majority on Subeta would be in favor of not exposing minors to sexual content. Instead I have seen a wave of excuses like "but muh kinks", "we're not exposing that many minors", "it's the internet!", and "there are other items like this, so that makes it fine". Love you Subeta, but I stand by my belief that this one crossed the line. Please understand I'm not by any means a prude, either.

I think these items should be removed, or that the Subeta age minimum really needs to be reconsidered. The proposal of a filter was also a very good idea in my opinion. That seems like a fair request.

February 19, 2020, 6:06 pm by Nuke
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Love? Yes. Chocolates, gifts, jewelry, date ideas. BDSM gear and edible lube? Uhh, not really. Really the sexiest thing I dealt with was a radio commercial for a sexy website while I was in a tattoo parlor which is expected.

So... no. I don't at all see NSFW stuff "shoved down my throat" around V-day...

February 19, 2020, 6:06 pm by Metaphor
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The items don't personally bother or offend me, but I can see where some people are coming from. Yeah, Subeta has always been a more mature site, and I totally appreciate that. But as someone who did start playing when they were 13, I could also see being a little put off by such items (although admittedly I was a pretty "innocent" kid who didn't know much about anything, so most of it might have gone over my head anyway). It wouldn't make me so uncomfortable I wouldn't want to play or anything, but I would feel as though I were somehow trespassing on a site meant for people 18+. Again, not saying that I think that these items shouldn't exist in any form, just that I can see why people are raising concerns.

February 19, 2020, 6:05 pm by Hexlock
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Excellent point in both regards. A little bit of wink wink nudge nudge stuff is fine, but the majority of items? Yeah, pretty uncomfortable.

February 19, 2020, 6:04 pm by kuzi
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actually I'm with you on that, so long as the targeted audience is 13+, I think the super violent stuff isn't ok either. my point is either change the audience you target or keep them in mind when you release items

also I'm so just confused at the argument "when I was that age me and everyone around me already did this and that"

yeah ok and? that really doesn't change the fact that this site CHOOSES their audience to be 13+??? just because you personally wouldn't have been bothered to see it if you were still that age does not make it 'normal' or ok in general?

February 19, 2020, 6:04 pm by Aztec
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Way to be horny on main, subeta lol

February 19, 2020, 6:03 pm by Frankenchokies
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Well Valentine's Day IS a day for pushing love and sex down our throats, so as an asexual I think you're always going to face that this season. XD But there are some non-sexy clothes and options with Skitters at least...?

February 19, 2020, 6:03 pm by Umbrella
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Does any of the gear actually state anything sexual?

Long analogy... one time I was babysitting and there was an episode of Victorious that I watched with the kid. This episode happened to be a PG redo of The Breakfast Club. At one point they were passing around a "taco" to recreate the smoking scene. The kids in the show were acting high and I was awkwardly laughing. The kid was so confused and I said I would explain it when she was older. At no point did the darker meanings translate to her.

If a kid looks at a leather mask, do you think their first thought is "OH! This is for BDSM!" If they know what the mask is for, then they already know. If they didn't, then they probably won't see the meaning.

Also, doms don't sleep with clients. Come on.

February 19, 2020, 6:00 pm by Fyreheart
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Disappointed with the items this year. Hope I enjoy the new strains. Chose Smoke first.

February 19, 2020, 6:00 pm by Nuke
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Maybe it's me being a big bad scary asexual but the love-related shop being filled with almost entirely stuff that's so damn horny is pretty off-putting to me. I'm by no means a prude, I know we have weird stuff on the site... but it's like, one set of things released 10 years ago. Not.... 90% of the items in a shop for a big holiday. The hardcore BDSM stuff is a liiiittle much.

February 19, 2020, 6:00 pm by Banana
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I really do not like to dip my fingers into a stirred pot but these are NOT the first risqué items that have been released on this website lol I genuinely don't understand the uproar. Quite a few bondage like CWs have been pumping out for a long time now, I think being mad about these types of items is a little late.

February 19, 2020, 5:58 pm by Frankenchokies
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But what exactly are you saying? Apart from ignoring my point about violence and corpses being completely fine, what are any of you against this stuff saying? That you're worried a 13-year-old might see some BDSM stuff, and that's the FIRST TIME EVER they've heard about it, and they go looking into it, and now they're traumatized? Because until Subeta, they were safe and never had to know?

I mean seriously, what is the fear?

As everyone already said, revealing clothes are already a massive part of the site. This is nothing different.

February 19, 2020, 5:57 pm by Kenjaku
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I think all of the new items are really fun! Reminds me of that old subetique line, giselle kinkylove or whatever it was? It's been a hot minute. Also living for all of these pins! At first I was a little sad there wasn't an intersex one, but I have to remind myself being born that way didn't make me LGBT. The nonbinary one made me really happy to see. I love this site and how inclusive it is! (: Can't wait to get to smoochin and infectin'!

February 19, 2020, 5:56 pm by Sprinter137
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As soon as I saw the kink items, I knew the prudes would arrive...-eyeroll-. Get out of the dark ages. We're talking about teenagers, not "children" like they're 2 years old, most of them are already sexually active or at least sexually aware these days. Hell, way back in 2004-05 when I was a teenager, I was looking at porn, and so were other people I knew. No one I know is mentally disturbed over it. It's sex, not war footage, there's nothing "disturbing" about it unless you're some weird puritan stuck in the 1920's.

February 19, 2020, 5:54 pm by kuzi
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sorry I really, truly do not think that bdsm would be considered a "laughably tame hobby" to most 8-16 year olds. obviously I can't speak for every kid, nor would I know what 'mental' age any kid on here would be at, what stuff they've been exposed to already, or what kinda stuff they google on their own free will

all I'm saying is that if your targeted audience is "13+", then super specific bsdm items are just not appropriate and you might wanna reconsider either the audience you claim, or the items you put out

February 19, 2020, 5:54 pm by Brinny
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cough ...I'd like to point out that subeta has many OTHER items that are..sexually related. This is not the first time...all of the kinky love items (fluffy hand cuffs, whips, a partner pleasing teddy bear..a dancing pole, nipple tassels)..and I will point you to my gallery that has "naughty" items...

Soo..this isn't really new to the site and to whatever 13 year olds are on the site.

Just saying..

February 19, 2020, 5:53 pm by Hexlock
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ok ok ok

Does the site have a userbase composed primarily of adults with very few younger players? Yes. Did the staff/artists take that into consideration when making these items? Probably. Does that make it okay? No, not really.

If anything, there should at least be some sort of filter for accounts owned by people under 18 when it comes to these sorts of things, or a warning that the event will contain some heavier themes. Survival is a lot of people's favorite event, including mine, and there's no way I'd ever want to see it removed from the site. However, it is pretty graphic, so in cases like this, there should be some sort of way to keep minors from seeing things they shouldn't.

February 19, 2020, 5:53 pm by FENNEC
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They should up the age to join(not that anyone that young is joining, but still.)

February 19, 2020, 5:52 pm by Rakumel
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I don't know, but if he did, that'd be awesome XD

February 19, 2020, 5:52 pm by Flight
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I don't care how many children there are or aren't here. Edible lube, whips, and bondage gear are not 13+ (and I don't care if it's 'not always sexual'. Put a minor in bondage gear and see how quickly you end up in the "Not Fun Handcuffs".) The items themselves don't bother me but how old I am in relation to potential 8th graders also using these items is downright creepy. If subeta wants to be 18+ then it should be 18+

February 19, 2020, 5:50 pm by Frankenchokies
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13 means 8th grade, which is high school. When I was that age, they were all already drinking, smoking, and fucking. BDSM would've been like a laughably tame hobby. And I'm sure it's much, much worse now than it was then.

Again though, I find it highly disturbing that people are always waaaay more upset over any kind of sexual stuff kids might see, but they're fine with blood and gore and violence and, to repeat, rotting friggin' corpses.

February 19, 2020, 5:47 pm by kuzi
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uh idk man i feel like 9-16 is also still very much in the category 'kid'

February 19, 2020, 5:46 pm by Frankenchokies
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(PS - Under 18 isn't "a kid." A kid is like 8.)

February 19, 2020, 5:45 pm by Frankenchokies
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You're fine with having them see all the gross rotting corpses and violent stuff though?

February 19, 2020, 5:42 pm by Kiriko
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You heard it here first folks, if you let your child who is under 18 use the internet you're a bad parent apparently! And letting minors see BDSM gear is totally fine :) (VERY much sarcasm)

February 19, 2020, 5:40 pm by Hexlock
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i love his bouquets and his candles did he make them himself? i hope so

February 19, 2020, 5:40 pm by Frankenchokies
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It's the internet. If you're letting a kid on it at all, you're a bad parent. (If not just because it's rottin' them brains and makin' them stupids.)

February 19, 2020, 5:38 pm by Rakumel
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No one's showing any love for Skitters' pretty bouquets? Really? Aww. :(

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