The hoarding achievements... retire them already. I feel like a lot of people are going to hate this suggestion, but as someone who IS currently going after the achievement and also HATES retired achievements, I also really hate the hoarding achievement.

Let me tell you why!:

1. I'm constantly shoving all my items in there from restocking, vending, events, etc. I have yet to open a shop because every item in there counts. None of my stickers have been stuck and Reindeere is lacking in foods and intelligence. I don't want to go after other achievements because these items are getting me one step closer to the hoarding achievement. Obviously this is my problem, and I don't have to do these things, but I do, and I doubt I'm the only one.

2. 40,000 Unique items is ridiculous! According to Subetalodge, there are only 46,784 official items on the site. I'm pretty sure I've only seen one person with this achievement, and anytime I try to view his hoard, the site times out and goes down. Which brings me to my next reason...

3. IT'S A WASTE OF SPACE.

4. It's also a waste of perfectly good items. I'm sure lots of people, like myself, are holding onto really nice items that other people (also like myself!) may be interested in for more useful things (wardrobe, TCs) but oh, hm, there are none in shops because they are all in hoards!

5. Might I just add that my hoard, which is completely organized into categories, takes forever to load and occasionally gets a Blackmoon error.

With the new achievements testing in effect, I think it would be a perfect time to get rid of this stupid achievement once and for all. ^u^

Small point, it's actually 40k unique and 45k total (can be repeats). I have the 45k repeats one and it was a BITCH to get, took me like six straight weeks of buying stuff + about three years of hoarding to start it off. I only have like the 5k unique one that I got from my shop XD

I personally think they should be retired, and probably will. I know staff is trying to move away from huge hoard shops, there has been talk of limiting shop size for awhile :)

I agree with this. I don't think retiring a hoarding achievement will fix hoarding per se, but it sure would at least help the problem for those that hoard solely because of the achievement. The problem is that anyone who has been on the site long enough to experience events realizes that hoarding is rewarded. I have over 51k items (not unique of course, but still) in my shop that's really a vault at this point and the sad thing is I'm not even actively trying to hoard more items. ..it just happened. |D (well the only exception is free beer, that was fully intentional, I must admit)

Thanks for the correction. I fixed it ^.^

But all those junk items! They could be fragged! Think of the possibilities! THINK OF THE CRYSTALS!

For me, I would stop hoarding all the crap and focus on nice little collections, like minions and elixirs, where I'd only need one of each. That's how a gallery should be, not a mass collection of crap you've acquired (okay that's a hoard, but they are called shops and galleries, not hoards!) I know if the achievements were gone, all my junk would be fragged and recycled (side note: there are too many items that still can't be fragged!) and the good stuff would be put in a shop or real gallery.

IKR?!?! xD I would sell the stuff but I don't have a GA and I'm not going to hand-price that horribly large shop. Nope. Not happening. Though fragging omg yes the IDEA you gave me. I need to catch up on that. Gonna frag all day. All day. All day. Looks like we're sitting on quite a hoard. xD

I think future events should also shy away from rewarding hoarding (with peka-boo, so far so good, right? unless you count the wishing shrub lol).

Don't mean to sidetrack this but YES I JUST FRAGGED 1000 CRYSTALS WORTH OF CRAP. (Also real quick I love your band. I wish we could vote for each genre separately. I love that you guys are staying true to character too. GOOD LUCK <3)

ANYWAY: At least the litter is going to have a use soon. But all the floating items from New Years/Annivesaries. You either open them (all 100 EXTRA of them) or you stash them. If you open them, you still get 100 items that can't be fragged or recycled. It's not even a matter of being rewarded, it's just there nothing else to do with them. I guess you could delete them, but right now I can tell you I've hoarded them. casually reiterating to get back on topic That being said, HOARDS HAVE GOT TO GO.

Ahhhh I just recently started trying for these achievements and almost have 5k unique. I understand that they do a number on the servers and this is definitely a valid point but I'll be bummed if it retires while I'm in the middle of it. Haha.

(Thank you, I'm kind of devastated the voting is the way it is because I'd love to vote for bands, including yours :c idk how anyone can choose just one band T__T old cat ladies ftw, I hope you guys do well! <3)

I'm so glad Quentin takes holiday items. I think it really helps the hoarding issue. c: Plus that's one of the quests that's actually worth doing because of the mage amulets. Shop sizes could help, but in the short term, I think everyone would either have to choose to 1. scramble to sell off the excess leading to mass item deflation (if there is a warning about it) 2. stuff the excess in their vaults (which would still be hoarding, albeit in a private place)

As someone who doesn't use a shop as income, I love deflation. Deflation makes me happy.

It's okay! I started months ago and I'm still in the middle of it. It'll be for the best. The lag monster may weaken!

True! The lag monster has got to go.

If anything maybe there could be a fee for having bigger shops -- so instead of eliminating hoards completely, it could place certain restrictions on them according to # of items.

Eh. Bigger shops, I don't mind, if the items are for sale. But having a hoard for the sake of a hoard urks me. It's like Hoarders: Buried Alive only pixelated and more organized. It's a disease and it needs to be remedied.

Okay I'm gonna go because my posts are getting silly and I don't want to be scolded for derailing :p

Haha, no I totally get what you're saying!

But I just wish they would shove all of the retired achievements under a tab so I wouldn't have to look at them.

I keep telling Keith that on the testing forum. So hopefully. OKAY GOOTBYE.

BYE! Don't reply to this, go, but yay I didn't know if that was a feasible suggestion or not but I get slightly irritated seeing the ones that were available before I joined. I feel like they're taunting me. But part of that might be attributed to OCD. :P

I do think something should definitely happen about 4 to prevent it. There was a time when someone bragged about what 4 is about and it got annoying + they bought all in shop search and had the power to sell for extremely high if they wanted to, I'm talking many mills or just not let anyone else have them..maybe even forever.

Monopoly! Illegal IRL (funny, I just heard a guy from the FTC speak about taking big companies that do that to court) :P

very true. Maybe one could say capitalism:P

I hear you on 5. :( I wasn't even trying to go for the hoarding achievements. I first started tossing items in my shop/gallery before the achievement came out. Now years later, it's a good day if I can open that shop without getting the Blackmoon error. I would move things back into my vault but there's only one problem, it takes freaking forever to go down the list and remove everything.

My hoard as of now: 72,546 (9,585)

lol I still will throw things in there though. And that's not even everything I have. Things are spread out in TCs, wardrobe, vault, and my other shops I sell out of.

I personally enjoy hoarding. It's so harmful irl might as well do it online.

The achievements are already set to be retired at some point, which I really don't mind, but I don't think that will sway many of the die hard unique item hoarders.

I do wish galleries would get more options in terms of otganization. As much as I love my 8k gallery, if I could sort it like Neopets I would be in heaven

As much as it pains me, I agree that they should be retired soon... at least the last few tiers, but it'd probably be easier to take down the whole thing. Likewise, I don't mind the "45k of any item" one, since you could technically have 45k red balls, but maybe staff should consider putting both achievements out just to discourage hoarding as a whole x:

I hate retired achievements probably more than anything else on the site, but this one just seems to be for the greater good x_x