If you made a shoe shop that had nice art I would literally throw my entire subeta life savings into it.

ALL OF MY SP. ALL OF IT. I do also like the book shop idea :).

GREAT, NOW I GOT BOTH KURSONS AT ME.

There are a bunch of shops I can live if they only get new items every six months or so. Bits and Bytes, furniture, beach shop and so.

And there are a bunch of shops where I feel need new items on a more regular basis than they do now? Toy Shop, Candy Shop, MAGIC BOX.

Not having cherry/silver elixirs in MB anymore hurts me, because elixirs are high-priced, and would be a gr8 money sink if they're all in the r90-r99 range. More than the Atebus Shop being deleted.

If and only If you changed the current shops for that, then yeah. Yeah, I'd be all for it. The concepts you're bringing are interesting and don't tell me things like (Also: those are just examples that I thought of right now for this post and are not happening) when you probably just had the best idea you had in 2015.

So, are you saying you want to get rid of how the main shops do things and replace it with shops that have some kind of gimmick stocking or opening times? Sorry if I don't understand, so much to keep up with here.

The atebus shop going away is literally the saddest thing ever. I'm going to be restocking from it more than ever before it leaves. I need to get stocked up on space/alien things. :/ It's sad that no one on staff seems to like space/alien things enough to keep it around or create new items for it. Aliens and space are my passions tbh.

I think that is a neat idea, but I really REALLY do like the luck factor that is involved with restocking. I find sP sink shops where there is nothing you need to do to get an item but be online rather boring. I like having to work for something, so for me I think a nice balance of main restocking shops and shops set up kinda like the boutique in SUBQ or the MC should happen. I think that making it too easy means the site loses all allure and value.

if you dont like shops having huge bulk stocks all the time, go in and retire a bunch of stock. i personally prefer having a shit ton of items in stock because im a frequent quester, and i'd wager that between a third and half of the items i buy are from NPC shops (via shop search, so adjust your figures).

it's all well and good to emphasize quest shops or event shops or whatever you're trying to prove, but i don't want to be spending special, harder-to-obtain currencies to complete a daily quest over spending some of my basic site currency buying a book out of a main NPC shop. and if you DONT plan on shifting quest requests from restockables to specialty shop items, then does that just mean quest givers will never ask for new items, because you won't be adding new items to main shops?

We are celebrating the Atebus Revolution Masquerade right now and the shop is leaving us soon, that's... wonderful. Yes, I know Atebus is the moon of Subeta, but still it was nice having a space themed shop. Why can't we just combine this shop with another one because I'm pretty much 100% certain using these items as prizes for, well I have to go look it up as I don't even play it wow, Stargazer. Yeah, this isn't going to give me a will or reason to want to play it sorry.

Putting the main shops in a seasonal stock rotation like the Millionaire center might be a good way to keep items alive and in circulation for quests but not lose all value?

I would probably cry if I were an item admin, though.

They'd have to mass retire a bunch of things first, like Satyr said. There are shirts from 5 years ago still stocking in clothing rack

Thanks for the ping, that's good to hear!

Any chance of confirmation on whether or not more Filled Wardrobe tiers are a possibility? I really just can't wait to be done with that achievement, I'll probably cry if more tiers are added when I finish haha

I love restocking. I did it so much more often though before the shop timer changed and it became a luck based gamble. :c I preferred the old restocking timer with the shops clearing once per hour if I remember right. Now it's just a chore and there's only one shop I'm able to grab rares and super rares. Unfortunately with the items sitting around so long and the feeling that rares/super rares stock more often they have devalued greatly. So I hope something good comes out of this survey.

Okay am I the only one who likes buying NPC shop items whenever I want? (whenver they're in stock. which is often.)

I don't want to have to wait til mon/wed/fri to do library quests and then be able to do only 5 of them. :/ I buy from the NPC shops as much as possible, whenever I can, because user shops are most likely inflated when it comes to books. If there's no cheap books in stock in the npc shop and all I have to choose from is x20 more inflated user shop books, I'm going to skip the quest.

Being able to only buy 5 things from a shop per day.... More reason to not spend as much time on this site I suppose.

operation-get-rid-of-old-stuff

i mean, no one is really going to miss the r19 plushies released in 2006, right?

I'm seriously glad this thread allowed us to have a civil debate about stuff. People are more attached to the idea of having NPC shops with the items they need, when they need them, rather than spending time restocking for hours, and that's alright!

Haha, don't get me wrong, I love a lot of the foods on-site and I have a chocolate gallery. I was trying to follow Keith's logic of "low-tier weapons have no value other than being quest fodder so we won't be releasing more of them in the main shops".

What I was trying to say with that post was this - if you're not into what the item was meant for, or if you've already collected the item/fed it to your pet and you don't have any other use for the item (like hoarding it because it's pretty, or putting it in a pet's TC) other than selling it, the item is essentially useless. Just like a t3 weapon is useless to a t11 pet. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't get more great food items, or more awesome-looking low-tier weapons - different users like different things. :'D I hope that made more sense?

To give a more solid example - I don't like wearables much. I don't buy 'em as much and I don't really make avatars that much. Wearables aren't my jam. BUT. Every now and then I spy a clothing item and I go "yeah, that'd fit PERFECTLY into this pet's TC, let me see if I can find more". And then I end up finding some things that I actually do end up putting into my wardrobe.

The same can apply to site features. Restocking, quest shops, quests, vending, fragging, feeding minions, events, etc. Just because a group of users doesn't use these features every day doesn't mean they should be cut down to a trickle, or entirely done away with. tbqh, I'd rather see the trash can go than see the Atebus shop removed, but it is as it is - the trash can got a revamp and the Atebus shop will apparently be getting the axe.

also can I just give all the coffee/tea/drink of choice because that is a sweet analysis and they basically summed everything up perfectly unlike my word vomit

While I don't really spend a lot of time restocking, I do object to the thought of changing all the shops to having a constant stock of items in them.

This would make all of the items currently in NPC shops completely worthless. No one would buy any of these items from a user shop when they can get them from the NPC shops. Unless they are buying them up to use in the fragmentizer.

At this point you will also have to completely do away with vending. Because no one is going to vend for items that have basically no value. And so what does that mean for Wizard tokens? A constant stock of items in the Token Shop?

While we're at it, you can also do away with the recycle beast (or remove restockable items completely from the pool of items he asks for. Otherwise I can just sit and grab 1 item every 5 seconds from the main shops until my fingers fall off.)

And also remove the fragmentizer, because you've basically made item rarity worthless.

And you should stop giving out items via questing and switch to an sp only reward system. Again, because no one is going to want any of these items as prizes because they don't hold any value.

So for me, the issue here isn't really whether I restock or don't. The issue is that by changing the mains shops (which I like just as they are) you will also have to change or eliminate several other parts of the site that I like. Why does it matter if people spend time going to the main shops and sitting and refreshing? I do like things like buying up items to use for the fragmentizer or buying up game prizes for the recycle beast. I like vending. I enjoy questing, not just because it's a good way to earn points, but also because it's exciting to have a rare item come up as a quest reward.

I like that it's so easy to earn sp on Subeta. I can spend 20 minutes vending and then stick all the items in my shop to autoprice (a gold account feature that many users get a gold account just to be able to use) and earn some easy sp. Then I have points to spend on things that I want.

I like that there is such a variety of things to do on the site. Bored of questing? Vend for a while. Bored of playing games? Go frag for a while. If you take away some of that variety, I have less reason to spend time on this site.

ALSO this might just be me, but there's something about permanent stock shops that kind of take away the buying impulse for me. i don't commonly buy from MC or skitters or any "open year round, permanent stock" shops, because... well, those items are gonna be around when i really need them, and i don't usually "really need" them. i mean yeah, i've got 3 months to buy the shit i need from the MC's seasonal stock, but i usually wait until the last minute to buy those things, because i know they're gonna be there when i need them. hell, i might even take the gamble not to buy seasonal MC stock, because i feel like i can manage a full year without this particular item. i've done it before, i'm not just making up examples here.

on the other hand, if i go into a main NPC shop and see an item just sitting there, i tend to feel more of an impulse to buy it, because there's only 2 in stock and i have no idea when it's going to stock again. what if i need it later? i'd have to pay a huge markup to buy from user shops, and i'm not about that life. so i buy that pylonic that i already have a dozen of in my vault, because what if. i wouldn't be sitting here hoarding up pylonics if they were always in stock, because i just wouldn't need to. i'd buy them as the need arose.

I enjoy restocking when it's profitable... There is pretty much no reason to do it otherwise. And restocking is pretty unprofitable right now unless the WSQ happens to be one that asks for a specific set of items from around the site because there has been such a huge influx of items... From the main shops, from quest rewards, from vending (which is actively being encouraged with special items)... My shop pretty much just sits there, inactive, for the better part of the month. I can't be bothered to price my items when I have to price 90% of them at a loss.

And I guess you can say I am part of the "problem"...

When I do my quests I buy from main shops most of the time now, because I want to get the best price possible so I can get the largest reward. Before the increase in items stocked, I ended up buying from user shops if the cost of the item asked for wasn't outside of the potential profit range when I didn't have any other option. I feel like the number of items stocked needs to be reduced in many of the shops again, though there are shops were I would like to see the increase kept in place... The Apothecary being one of them... I hardly ever buy the items that stock there from user shops anyway, because I hoard those items for battle and buy them from the main shop when they are available. I don't feel like the value of those items has become unreasonably deflated and I think it helps that they have real purpose.

I think giving items purpose would go a long ways towards encouraging restocking again. Art updates could make items more viable for TCs. Nearly useless items could be focused on for achievements or an item drive. New collections could be added. Quest prizes could be reworked. Vending could have more special items, low rarity items removed, and the number of vends reduced. (I'd like to see some of the nearly unattainable formerly restock-able retired items added to the machines personally. Particularly those regents from Spells Galore that are still being requested for scrolls.)

Are those reasonable suggestions? I don't know. I'd like input personally, which is why I posting it here and not responding to the poll, for the present time.

What a good post, this is a great analysis. Good job