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i get that staff is moving away from restocking/utilizing the main shops. they've made that very clear the question is why this is happening, because i don't understand the reasoning whatsoever.
the question is why this is happening, because i don&;t understand the reasoning whatsoever.
I'd love to get an answer for this as well.
There are a million tier 1-5 items already, that's the thing. We've filled all the gaps, there just isn't anything interesting we can release that isn't just a copy of another item. This has been discussed to death elsewhere, but if we started Subeta again today the battle system would (obviously) be entirely different and have a lot more room for interesting items. Unfortunately that just isn't the case :/
Because putting items in event shops (or quest shops, or shops that require participation) == far greater participation than putting items in the main shops. Users who purchase frequently from quest shops are users who spend more time on site, and since we introduced the quest shops (and quest points) we've seen a sizable bump in the amount of time and quests people do on the site daily.
Restocking is a relic of the "well, what can we take from Neopets" days that I don't think actually makes a lot of sense on a site like this. I'd much rather see shops where you have to do things to get the items, more prizes from games, and things like that than just putting items in the main shops. Obviously restockers disagree with me there, but that is the direction we're tending toward.
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But most quests ask for items which are in the main shops and which can be restocked, vended or obtained as main shop item prizes.
If you keep getting rid of main shops we'll have all the quests asking for game prizes and stuff from special shops. The prices will go through the roof so we'll have to turn most of our quests down.
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Or we make it so that shops have continuous stock that doesn't go down (except the occasional rare item) when things are purchased and shift users making sP to other parts of the site vs their shops, or make earning sP from shops come from getting items from elsewhere.
An example of this is that would be loot from minion battling. If you wanted to sell the items that you get from minion battling, you'd make a lot more sP from people who either aren't interested or haven't gotten to the level that you've got to. Or haven't been able to "run into" the minions that you've been able to find. You'd be selling items that are unavailable otherwise, and making more sP.
Another example is if we built a system where you send your pets on tasks and you can only have your pet do one thing at a time, or have specific types of foraging/creating they do. You'd be selling items unique to your pets profession instead of items that anyone can get from a shop.
Those are (example) experiences we are trying to move toward. More game-y. I hope that makes sense!
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How many of these tier 1-5 items are actually usable. Answer, not a whole lot, especially for specie weapons.
And, I'm going to have an impopular opinion.
Quests are boring
They're boring, and having less of them to do per day doesn't make them more interesting. They're the same "buy x item, turn it in, get reward" and rinse and repeat. So, seeing more items being put as quest reward is alright, but you know what is also alright.
Diversity.
There are people who actually enjoy restocking. Just because it's a relic from Neopets and 2004 Subeta doesn't mean it's a bad idea.
When I want to make money, I prefer sitting down and buying lots of items to resell because well, I enjoy restocking, it's unlimited compared to questing, and it regulates the economy by getting money out, and getting items in.
But stop removing features and shops because "it's too close to Neopets". That's not a good reason to remove things that have been there for 10 years.
Also, minion battling is just a grind-fest, and I'm not looking forward to it. Why did we need two grindy battling systems, again?
3rd one from this thread. Subeta is bribing me to shut up, apparently.
So you're basically trying to copy FR and their combo of the foraging, battle loot & restocking system? Because that's the vibe I'm getting here.
I really disagree with getting rid of shops like this, if the Atebus shop goes I am not going to be a happy camper. I thought the point of changing up the way we restock was to, oh I don't know, keep the shops? We don't want shops to be done away with and restocking to go with it, we like those things.
I was upset when the Graveyard shop was done away with, I restocked my first r99 from there and now the awesome thing I restocked is essentially worthless because the shop was done away with and now Quentin hands everything out like candy. I'm sorry, I don't want a site where I go on, quest for like an hour and a half... if I even bother to do all of the quests, then leave because that's essentially what I'd do if this happens. Events are a whole 'nother thing. Obviously those draw attention, but only for so long.
We need an incentive to play and getting rid of restocking is not the way to do it. Just my 2cents tossed in. Please, listen to us about this!
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So you&;re basically trying to copy FR and their combo of the foraging, battle loot & restocking system? Because that&;s the vibe I&;m getting here.
Brillant point, thanks Frost!
FR's system is awfully bad, because the more you grind, the less you get. I quit the site because well, there was no use in connecting daily, it screws people over to actually be active!
Also, their restocking system is pretty much plagued by bots 0/10, would not recommand FR economics.
Like I said, I appreciate that it's a "this a thing that I like to do" argument, it's just not something that most users like to do. Very few users restock, most items are now bought straight from the main shops during questing. In the last six hours
Main Shop Purchases
search - 25,331
shop - 4,289
That means that at a peak-ish time on a Saturday we are getting WAY more main shop purchases just from the shop search. 5,000 purchases in shops themselves is still a lot, but it's not really something we'd build additional features or lots of items around, and that number has been steadily going down.
Haha, no. Those were examples :) Minion battles is obviously closer to something we're doing, but we haven't started / worked on a foraging system.
We need an incentive to play and getting rid of restocking is not the way to do it. Just my 2cents tossed in. Please, listen to us about this!
How often do you restock now?
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If PEOPLE DON'T USE IT, TIME TO REMOVE IT is a better excuse, how many people are actually using most quests, outside of weekend special? We're not talking Wizard and Saggi, we're talking Cinthia, Mori/Nori and Quentin.
Following that logic, we should remove all three of these quests because people use Wiz/Saggi for 80% of their quest profits, which everyone else get 20%.
Actually, lets get some answers! I've created a new feedback form for restocking :)
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I can't think off the top of my head, but honestly I would think a lot more than the "average" user. I'm not saying that I'm getting something every 5 minutes or something, because clearly I'm not.
Before the system was changed, I'm sure a lot of us were restocking way more because it was fun. There's no challenge to it now. It's all 1 click and you're done. Still, I don't want to see shops and restocking done away with.
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Glad that this thread led into something constructive. That's points for you.
EDIT: Is it working? I'm just getting a summary of my answers when I confirm
<p>An example of this is that would be loot from minion battling. If you wanted to sell the items that you get from minion battling, you&;d make a lot more sP from people who either aren&;t interested or haven&;t gotten to the level that you&;ve got to. Or haven&;t been able to "run into" the minions that you&;ve been able to find. You&;d be selling items that are unavailable otherwise, and making more sP.
This sounds OK as long as a lot of the items aren't as rare as hens'teeth and get asked for in quests which we have to keep turning down.
<p>Those are (example) experiences we are trying to move toward. More game-y. I hope that makes sense!
This sounds OK as well as long as a lot of the items aren't as rare as hens' teeth and get asked for in quests which we have to keep turning down.
You've got to keep some quick and easy ways of making sP, though, for players who have real life jobs so they can't be playing for hours every day. After all, people with jobs are likely to spend more real money than people without them.
. PS - your restock form reads -
[{"prompt":"How much time do you spend on Subeta restocking in the NPC shops? 1 = None, 5 = All of your Subeta time.","type":"1to5"},{"prompt":"If at all, what shops do you restock in the most?","type":"textarea"},{"prompt":"What shops would you like to see get the most new stock? List up to 3.","type":"textarea"},{"prompt":"If those shops got new items, how likely would you be to spend more time on Subeta restocking there? 1 = None, 5 = A lot more","type":"1to5"},{"prompt":"If we could change one thing about the NPC shops, what would you want it be?","type":"textarea"},{"prompt":"How would you rate your restocking skills? 1 = I never get anything rare, 5 = I'm a master of restocking.","type":"1to5"}]
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[Quote]How much time do you spend on Subeta restocking in the NPC shops? 1 = None, 5 = All of your Subeta time.
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Maybe take a look at the scales better?
Whenever I try clicking on that I just get a big gob of text
[{"prompt":"How much time do you spend on Subeta restocking in the NPC shops? 1 = None, 5 = All of your Subeta time.","type":"1to5"},{"prompt":"If at all, what shops do you restock in the most?","type":"textarea"},{"prompt":"What shops would you like to see get the most new stock? List up to 3.","type":"textarea"},{"prompt":"If those shops got new items, how likely would you be to spend more time on Subeta restocking there? 1 = None, 5 = A lot more","type":"1to5"},{"prompt":"If we could change one thing about the NPC shops, what would you want it be?","type":"textarea"},{"prompt":"How would you rate your restocking skills? 1 = I never get anything rare, 5 = I'm a master of restocking.","type":"1to5"}]
Anyways if you do away with quests and restocking I probably won't even bother with this site anymore, except to work on my pet profiles. You take away everything I'm familiar with and comfortable with, I won't be interested anymore.
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FR was the first thing that came to mind when I read the example you gave about minion battling and sending pets out on missions. Pair it up with the idea of making people work for things instead of just shoving more items into the main shops, and... yeah. You can see how people would get that impression.
I can appreciate more creative ways to get users to do things on-site, but I feel that reducing the flow of newly released restockables to a bare minimum and culling shops that aren't "interesting enough" isn't really a great idea. You're trying to overhaul a site foundation that's been there for a decade. It's so ingrained into the site itself that you can't really cut it off without pissing a lot of people off.
Also, the new poll is broken. :'D
It's not working for me. Just seeing the form among a bunch of code. Will add a screenshot in a minute.
EDIT: Never mind, LuckBurnside beat me to it. But yeah, that's the same error I'm getting.
I just wanted to point out that when I restock from the main shops I use the search shop function to check if it's worth buying, and I typically will hit the "Buy" option from the Search Shop page, rather than within the shop itself.
Not sure if anyone else does, but I feel like that should be considered when looking at numbers.