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December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

It's really cute, I love the face. Buuut, like. The front legs look a little.. odd. :I
But I love it anyway. Haha.
Good job.
<3

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I got sick of picking through the whining so I haven't read all of the comments posted.

I, for one, adore the fact that this actually has, you know, anatomy. However, I do believe that the person who drew this revamp doesn't have a strong grasp on equine forelegs/hooves in general. The hooves look really unnatural, more like a ducks feet than hooves, really. The hooves should be pointing in more or less the same direction as the hindpaws.

The random knee cap and the line of the belly are also a bit off putting. Perhaps smooth out the belly and take out the kneecap entirely? The chest could use a bit of plumping out, since yes, it does look a little caved in.

Voting old because I'd like to see a bit of improvement before a revamp.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I personally freaking adore the new Hikei. I disliked the old one >

But one thing that drives me mad about the new revamp is the front legs. I want to slap it in all of its awkwardness. XD I love all the red lines. They should use one of those.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I must say I love all the user tweeked versions. The legs are much more anatomically correct and actually look like they should be attached to a horse like body. We all know how talented Subeta artists are so with the users pointing out improvements to the legs I'm sure they can make a lovely second hekei revamp.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I voted old.
My issues with the proposed revamp...
legs are too skinny,
the circle around the eye (I liked the winged stripe it had),
the belly's shading gives it the illusion it has an octagon shape,
there are too many stripes
...and the orbs (while nicer with better detail) are a little to big.
I did like the detail of the claws on the hind legs and the shaggy toed hooves.

I always thought Hikeis were supposed to be fat muscular pets, this one just looks to skinny.
Just my two bits.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

This is the first time I have ever voted for an old version. I truly don't like the shape of the face, it is not near as cute as it was.

However, I love the new orbs. Much nicer than the old version

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Jesus I hope I did this code thing right

I hope that an opinion/redline from me is still allowed here. Ive just ironically been coloring horses for three weeks straight for something, and Im no horse expert but I can see a few things. The face edits and personal as well as the mane but heres some leg suggestions? Just a little blackline, thats all Ive seen a few here already.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Mind if I throw my two cents in? :3

I think the Hikei revamp is absolutely GORGEOUS! Seriously, the anatomy is WONDERFUL! Just a few this seem just a tad disproportional so I took the liberty of doing a redline. :3
Now I might be wrong on some things... But here's what I think needs some tweaking and I hope you can consider these changes with an open mind set and see where I'm going with this. :3

You might also notice the bluelines as well. I circled these white spots that I noticed on the Hikei that didn't really make sense to me. I dunno if others have noticed it, but would you be so kind as to explain there reasons for being placed where they currently are? They sort of... Don't make much sense compared to the rest of the shading. o.o

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Hmm, the body design is perfect, but I suggest a slightly less spiky mane, and a longer face. Or rather, the roundness on the cheek bone should be a bit more parallel with it's snout. This one has to much of a punk attitude. I think the eyes should be a bit sweeter. Perhaps bringing back the blue streeks around the eyes that original has? SO main points, fluffy/smooth mane, and thinner cheek bones. Other than that, I think it's perfect. I complement the artist on its body.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Nyau, your redline is excellent. Only thing I'm not sure about with it is the fluff on the chest, but I could live with it. At least yours has a chest. x_x

And once again I keep seeing people who don't even like the new one, or think it needs a dozen changes before approval, but vote for it anyway. This baffles and depresses me every time. People, if you don't want to see this approved as it is, then don't vote for it. Even if you don't like the old one either. Because the more votes 'old' gets, the better the odds that a different, better revamp will be offered later.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Hmm...I like it a lot more than the old one...the only suggestion I have is soften the lines up. Try not to make everything so jagged...and maybe tone down the muscles...I R TANK HIKEI HERE ME ROAR! XD lol sorry...other than that, I love it. 83 I might take some over the other peoples (the ones who bothered to show their points in drawing them...) into consideration. Many of them have some good, slightly tweaked versions that would make it that much better.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Erm, the new one seems a bit blocky and awkward looking...

And the hooves are at an awkward angle and kind of overly-big.

Not my favorite revamp.

I like the mane and tail though.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Personally, I agree with FeralKoala, so... I second all the stuff she said! ^^ Also, NyauNyau had a good idea, making the redraws of it. Those look good; I think this Hikei looks too masculine and muscular.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

back again..and never thought id see this much criticism on a revamp

horses do look masculine naturally so that look should stay. They need to be muscular because of the work they do and also because of horse riding.
Depending on the type of horse it was taken after I can see the hoofs being that big since clydesdales have hoofs that big with the fur overlapping a bit.

3.I honestly dont think the hooves are that far apart at all and the way they are turned dont seem to bother me at all. Ive seen horses whos hoofs were moved that way. (nothing was wrong with the horse mind you)

4.Since your looking at it head on...the hoofs in the back should stay the way they are. Things closer to you look bigger then those further away etc.
I forget who said it and they are correct.. the hikei was never meant to look like an actual horse. But a mixture of a few different animals.

thats all i have to say at the moment still great job on the revamp to who ever drew it. I do hope you keep it the way it is. i would definitely consider getting myself one

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

The body is a bit odd.
And I thought Hikei were supposed to be you know, cute and pretty; this one is a tom boy, apparently.
It is an improvement, but not by too much IMO.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

The dot around the eye looks kinda funky, but I still love it much better anyways. The hooves could be a bit less chunky, too, but honestly, it's a HUGE improvement.

And the ANATOMY WAS HORRIFYING IN THE OLD ONE. The feet were like an elephant's. This is WAY BETTER.

So nicely done. ^-^

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Ooo... your redline is really noice nyau. IlikeIlike. o:

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I'm sorry, but I really don't think the body is right. It's too short and the knee seems strange, which makes the body position seem unnatural.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Angular, chunky, blocky, spiky, masculine and generally much less cuter than the original. The darker shading on the white makes it look dirtier too. I always though the orbs on the hikei were dumb, and now they're bigger and more in your face. I'm sure they'd be pretty all on their own, but I think they overpower the actual pet. I would have preferred them to be changed into some sort of jewelry like the anyu's wing cuffs.

I also dislike the ring around the eye that's been used instead of the triangular Jem and the Holograms style eyeshadow. The spiky hair is very punk, which is usually nice, but doesn't work for the My Little Hikei.

Combined with the oddly splayed forelegs, wonky perspective, and over abundance of stripes, and there's nothing about this revamp I see as an improvement on what I think is a rather cute, if a bit outdated, species.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I've never been a big fan of the hikei, but this is a nice update. I only see two small problems: the front left hoof is turned too far towards us and the other front foot looks more like a big, clunky boot. I think it'd look a lot better if it was more like a horse hoof than a human foot.

Other than that, I think I like it.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

The only thing I like about this revamp is the tail, which was done amazingly But please, alter it a little (okay, a lot) before this becomes official. I don't want to be mean or rude or anything, but this is only the second revamp EVER that I haven't voted for :S

-Hooves jut out too far, they should go more straight down
-Too muscular
-Back legs are too small/oddly proportioned or something
-The right back leg is pointing too far in whereas the right front leg is pointing too far out--they should be pointing the same way
-The hooves have way too much tufting going on
-Claws are too sharp
-The nose would look LOADS better without that little stick-uppy ski-jump curve at the end (it's a bit too pig-like for me)
-The eye is too small

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I really like Nyau's first redline. It fixes a lot of anatomy problems I see in this revamp. Don't get me wrong, the art is much better, but anatomically, it just doesn't work. I do like the look of the stripes nonetheless .

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

The art is somewhat better, but... It has way angular shading, huge front legs at odd angles, and a sunken chest. :/ So, I voted for the old one.

Any chance of getting a second option? This has potential.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I personally do not like the new Hikei's anatomy...AT ALL. The first thing I noticed was that its front legs are sorely duckfooted, and the hooves seem to jut out too far. The front knees are more a lack thereof. Its chest seems to cave in beyond normal limits. I'm not liking the spiky mane, I simply prefer the more trimmed original one. I realize the original had a wide face, but this one simply looks like it just got its wisdom teeth removed. Maybe if you removed the small line right underneath the eye? The way the thighs/stomach visually interact just looks awkward. Also, the back leg seems lacking in the skeletal support arena. Not to mention the new eye marking, in my humble opinion, makes it look like it has a light blue shiner.

All that being said, I do like how the shining tail-orbs have a lot more "oomph" to them now. And I do like the new stripe design a lot more than the old one. This design has a lot of potential, I look forward to seeing a revised edition!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

better drawing but it lost it's cuteness D=

I would think the paws in the back would look that small.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Hmm I would say that sadly, this is not one of the better redraws. The forelegs are too far apart and strangely muscular. They need to face forward. I also like the way the Hikei faces in the old version. The hind paws are also too lean and it makes the Hikei look gawky and unsteady. The eye is too small and again leads to a negative feeling on the redraw . I also like the older mane on the Hikei. The shading, coloring, and tail are very well done.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I love this revamp, but the front hooves seem to be placed at an odd angle.

There is also something with the side of it's stomach. It looks like it has an incaved ribcage with some sharp ribs.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I like this new one because it has four legs, but the baby face of the older one was cuter.

Hey, Torrey needs a revamp too...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Whoo! This is the one revamp that I've really been waiting to happen! =D I really like it except for the few things that people have mentioned before (and I'm not going to say them because I think you all get the point of what could possibly be fixed). Otherwise, it looks awesome and I hope the hikei does keep such a makeover :3

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Finally! Another to-be revamped pet! I'd choose the new one. Who drew this one?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I love it, but the positioning of the front legs bothers me.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Huh.
I don't really mind too much about anatomy problems or the such, but the back legs do look kinda awkward. :|

Otherwise, it's pretty cool. Reminds me a TON of a zebra. xD Moreso then the old version.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Nyau's first redline is much better, especially about the hind part

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Hahah..x3 so it does.. Fat Hikei is faaaat.

Its probably cuz I made the body a tiny big longer too.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I love your first one Nyau The second seems a little fat XD

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I dont own one so Im not particulary OMG about it, or anything...however, the legs, the chest are very very ..odd looking. Here is a redline which seems to fix the wonkyness of it..

And now, a blackline, I made the body a tiny bit longer.. its barely noticeable, but..

On a personal level, this isnt my favourite revamp. :..

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I forgot to mention I LOVE the stripes.
:B reminds me of my zebhusks on wajas.

Because I'm dweeby like that
THEY ARE JUST SO CUTE -glomp- XD

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

It's a nice concept and all but there are a few things that are bothersome.
The front hooves seem big, they extend out too much which makes them look floppy.
The back two legs are too stiff. For me it doesn't look like the back and front legs match anatomically, they seem out of place.
The back feet I suggest would look nicer bigger, like in the old version...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Oh almost forgot one other thing:

It seems as though there is a complete lack of a front chest area, like the neck doesn't look like it goes to the body but right into the legs, so yeah could use way more of a chest area as well :>

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

[Quote=What one user thinks needs revamping, another user clings to and feels is fine. The art department has to make these decisions for the good of the site, and not take sentimentality too into account.]
I suppose you're right, it's just a shock. Now that I look at it, the art is somewhat outdated.

[Quote: kay
i know it's hard to believe, but the artists are human, too
and they read this stuff
this may just be an image or a pet to you, but it's a piece of art to them
a piece of art they worked hard on
even if you don't like it, calling it hideous is harsh
and downright mean :I ]
I know the artists are human, I wasn't trying to be mean. That was just my first reaction, I'm sorry. But I worked hard on getting my pet, and I like my pet so I am entitled to my opinion. Don't say "it's just a pet".

Anyway, now that I've calmed down, I will say I like the tails, and the overall colors and lineart. But it would look better if

It was facing the other way, like the original.
The front legs didn't look bowlegged.
There's something wonky about the eye, I can't quite place my finger on it.
Maybe the mane could be less..."bristly"

Again, I'm sorry if I offended anyone. :

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I agree with what most users said, the angle and muscles on the front legs, as well as the main, need work.

However, other then that, I think the new stripes, back legs and tail (so shiny!) look awesome!

I will vote old for now, however, just until the legs are fixed :3

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

The face is really pretty (= But I personally do not think that the front legs should be splayed out like that, and the hind paws do not look large enough to support such a creature, and look even smaller in comparison to the hooves.
The pose itself is really cute, and I /do/ think that the Hikei needed new art, but the legs could use a few adjustments in size and positioning. Or so I think ^^;

And, I am extremely glad that the artist kept the hind legs as paws, rather than it being changed to having four hooves. It wouldn't be a Hikei without its paws x3

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I did vote for the new one but.. This is honestly one of the first revamps I seriously do not like, the anatomy is whats really bothering me. I know this has been pointed out several times already but those front legs just look too stiff and awkward. The shoulder line goes up way too high and look like it's connecting directly to the neck, plus the back just looks squished, I like the redline one of the members did, it brings the back paw out more and fixes the major problem with the outward turned hooves. They're also just a bit too big and the paws too small. Last thing is the shading, it seems rather simple compared to recent revamps, what bothers me the most is the shading on the stomach area; it looks like a straight line of shadow and really makes the pet look blocky. Maybe that could be smoothed out as well?

Even though this is an imaginary pet and not a horse/zebra ect.., there still should be some anatomy taken from a real life example, it just seems to look much better in the long run in my opinion. Art is much better, just needs some good old tweaking and it'll look great :3

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

i forgot to mention, i don't think the hooves should be so pigeon-toed.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">OMG, there is nothing wrong with the old Hikei. Why don't you guys focus on pets that actually need revamping. You've done good with the revamps so far but...I'm sorry to be blunt, but the only thing I thought of when I saw this was "it's hideous". It's like a mutant hikei or something. I can't event think of anything to say to improve it...just...no. holds on to her Angelic Hikei
O_O

kay
i know it's hard to believe, but the artists are human, too
and they read this stuff
this may just be an image or a pet to you, but it's a piece of art to them
a piece of art they worked hard on
even if you don't like it, calling it hideous is harsh
and downright mean :I

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

the new one looks more realistic, but i think the angles are too harsh and the muscle lines should be less bold, and softer. the hooves are also way too large, and i feel stick out too far from it's legs.

i like the new design, but as said, it could use some tweaking.

while i'm at it, i was thinking of maybe longer legs. to give it more a horse-y appearance, since with the fur and body of a cat, pretty much... it looks more like a cat with a horse's head stuck on it.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Quote:

; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Why don't you guys focus on pets that actually need revamping.

What one user thinks needs revamping, another user clings to and feels is fine. The art department has to make these decisions for the good of the site, and not take sentimentality too into account.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Heres what I think -
The eyes of the old one are much cuter and should stay large and cute. To many boyish animals on here already - we need some for the girls!!! Yes we have the rabbit, torey, cybil, chai, ruffie, popoko and lain but all the others are more boyish though some girls like them to - just saying!! For us girly girls!!!
I think the lines on the new one are to harsh and hard and to many stripes.
The worse thing for me of the new one is the hoofs and I dont really like the claws - if they must be there not so obvious!
The new one is just to bulky for me as well!
But I like the new orbs in the new one! They are nice/cool! Tho the orbs should be smaller.
I like the style of the maine (sp?) of the old one but the new one is ok as it is drawn nicely. Maybe a mix of them?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

OMG, there is nothing wrong with the old Hikei. Why don't you guys focus on pets that actually need revamping. You've done good with the revamps so far but...I'm sorry to be blunt, but the only thing I thought of when I saw this was "it's hideous". It's like a mutant hikei or something. I can't event think of anything to say to improve it...just...no. holds on to her Angelic Hikei
O_O

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Sp4de - I like your re-lineart.

The back feet are are small, the front hooves are too big and awkward, and it's overall just.. awkward looking to me. I LOVE the idea, but it needs tweaking.

And as for you people who wish to take the paws out of the back - I REFUSE TO BELIEVE YOU EXIST.
therefore your opinion is obsolete.
Mwahahaa.

I agree on the fact that the feet are pawed for a reason, and even so I HIGHLY doubt that they WOULD be changed. Subeta makes a point to make the creatures unique, and the paws on the Hikei as well as the tail are the HIGH POINTS of taking out of the "Zomg it's a pony!" realm and making it "Subeta-style unique."

It seems a lot of people have issues with the new one's proportion issues, which I think could be easily fixed and modified to look more.. smooth, I guess you could say. But THIS is what polls are for, right? Constructive criticism.

o: And I still like the first re-lineart that Sp4de did. XD

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