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December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

The new one is gorgeous! It got my vote.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I voted yes because THIS FELI TURNS ME ONNNHHH<3

Oi seriously... xD;

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

What happened to the other revamp? I liked that one better than this one.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

The things people are pointing out as drastic are mostly things that are different because this is a cartoonish depiction of a cat-like animal. I don't see anything that looks so anatomically incorrect that it destroys the picture -at all-. In fact the only thing that I really have to agree on is the abundance of fur tufts on the top half versus the smoothness of the lower half.

And maybe it's just because I'm a crazy cat lady, but I don't think it's gender-specific at all. The essence of it just screams cat to me--not male or female only. And I don't see how it takes away from the original Feli's 'personality'. It looks to have the same expression and cutesy nature to me.

True I am not a Feli owner--because the old Feli image wasn't that great IMO. This one makes me consider owning one, now. I can't wait to see more colors.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

blah blah blah...it looks too human...blah blah it needs to look more like a cat. Dudes, cats don't really have wings or horns you know.

It's are cartoonic creation.

Get over it and accept it.
It's like you can do better. (though some of you probably could, but you get my point)

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Kind of looks like the glacier tigrean

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

It's definitely very sexy, and I love it! I hope all the colors get revamped

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Oh, the drama.
Hehe, I bet the furry fans out there just LOVE this revamp. You know who you are.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Actually I like it. It's a cat, more comic book like with a touch of humanoid physiology but not too much in my opinion. The pic I've already posted ... well, I think my cat is quite sexy LOL And she also does front leg crossing all the time. She prefers even weirder
positions.

I've seen much more drastic changes in expression concerning redraws, some even changed the whole personality. Not that one, at least that's my opinion

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

keep thinking feli doesn't have to change;
the old one is so..funny? :C
i love the old pose; i think it only needs a repainting and some little things.. but this one looks..kinda common?
i mean i like the feli for being original and "heey look at my foot! its upppp!"
dunno xDD thats what i think
but i must say i love subeta artists ;-; keep drawing new pets and..asking our opnion for revamping old ones x3 i love it

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I seriously think we need to close the discussion. Jag has the points she needs to possibly improve the work but now all I see is people complaining about things and constantly pointing out the same flaws over and over. OKAY we get it. Have artist some respect for the artist geeze. She's not going to do anything the second someone complains about it. Furthermore, it's her choice to change the work or not. What was helpful has turned into a 'let's bash' the Feli posting...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

It's not in me to say what I want to say because I hate feeling like I'm picking a fight so I'll just say that I love this revamp and if it went through just like this, I would get a Feli. The old Feli art never really appealed to me, most-of-all not the pose, so I was very grateful to see it getting worked on and figured it's lovers would be too.. Guess I was wrong.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

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Himmels, you know just as well as I do that if this were presented as a new species, there would be several thousand people asking why it just couldn't have been the feli revamp because they'd be too similar.

Yup, you are right. It was more of a theoretical thought.
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That aside, I think you're forgetting that a feli isn't a domestic cat, and as Mythi said already, while Subeta artists use real world animals as references, they are loosely based. I am assuming that you mean the front legs are tangled? Because surely humorless' photo covers the hind legs as reasonable.

I beg to disagree with you on that one. In my humble opinion, the soles of the back legs are connected to each other in a way not physically possible for a cat, but only for a human. They should be rather parallel to each other.
I also still insist on the fact that this revamp changes the personality which is given by the impression of the current Feli. If people adopted it, they clearly did so because they liked the impression the current Feli gives. I am not against revamps altogether, just against those which change the personality of a pet too much.
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This photo easily proves that cats can and do cross their front legs, and usually even moreso than Jag has portrayed here.

Sure they do that, but I have never seen them doing it in the pose of this Feli. While I agree with you that those are not real pets, I think it should still stay a bit related to the original pet.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

People are being too harsh. Why everything must be exactly realistic? :/ I just say that the new one looks far better than the old one.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I think the art is nice but I do not like the pose much. For one it's to gender specific. It looks like a girl cat now. I saw some comment about a come hither look and that fits it well. I also saw a pick of the older proposed revamp and that pose is tons better. Yes cats so stretch out but the way this is depicted is more like a lady cat laying on the bed waiting for her mate. So even though I think the old one needs changed I voted for the old one oer this revamp. Maybe try again with a sitting pose or someting like that.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Humorless, I think you nailed it perfectly... the rolled hip gives it the human quality people are seeing since humans do that more than cats, and the slightly off kilter connection I am seeing. Funny how just the smallest little turn changes the perspective for many people...lol I just looked behind me at a sleeping cat on my bed after you pointed that out, and that's it, the hips. I could live with it knowing why it seems off to me.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Fur Boobs - the users did not like it on the Ontra, either. Now the Ontra looks fantastic - and has no more fur boobs. Tone down the chest fur, lower the tail, and put a tad more fur on the back legs so that they don't look naked. Look very carefully at actual pictures of reclining cats, especially at the hips. Then all the complaints will disappear.

And yes, I am a Feli owner, as if the users that don't own Felis should not have a say or something.

And yeah, its not a CAT, its a FELI, blah blah . . . Its not supposed to look like a damn Furry, either.

And I hate the Angelic Manchu and think it looks like a tart wearing a furry swimsuit.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

People who defend this revamp by saying that cats really do pose like this are missing an important difference. Look closely at the anatomy of the hind legs of the proposed Feli vs. any of the cat photos posted here. Cat thighs are not nearly as rounded and smooth as this Feli's; plus, the "knee" joint is too separated from the body and also too round. Observe a real cat's hind leg and you'll see that it's actually quite flat, and the "knee" occurs closer to the point where the leg and body connect. THAT is what makes the proposed Feli appear too humanoid.

And I also see too much difference between the front half and the rear half - not because of the twisted angle (which IS a catlike pose, in theory), but because of the amounts of fur. The head, chest, and "elbow" joints are all covered with fur, but the hind end and legs are totally smooth, making the thighs appear even more humanoid.

I can also see why people think it has "fur boobs." I wouldn't go so far as to call them that, but the chest fur does look too cleanly split down the middle, and too rounded. Of course they're not breasts, but as distinct and rounded as the two fur bits are, you should expect people to perceive them that way - especially when paired up with those humanlike hind legs.

As for smaller details, the swept-back ears do bother me, as well as the stretched-out mouth that breaks the boundary of the muzzle, and the tiny, raised, plucked-looking eyebrows. And in this pose (which I really hope won't be the new revamp anyway, but in case it is), the left wing (on our right) shouldn't be visible. It doesn't look natural pasted at that high angle behind the raised shoulder.

As for species-related critique, I also agree that this revamp destroys the innocent, compact, kittenlike cuteness of the original Feli and turns it into an overly lithe, long, distinctly adult (and feminine) cat. All the personality of the original Feli, the basic essence of the pet that crosses the boundaries of color and gender, is lost in this proposal.

Long story short, having had cats all my life, I can see what the artist was going for with the pose - it just wasn't executed well. And even if it were, it still wouldn't capture the cute, energetic, playful kitten-ness that makes a Feli a Feli.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I think, as someone else mentioned, people are seeing it as sexual because it has a lot of humanoid features. You could have a cat and a human lie in a way similar to that and while the cat would be lounging or contemplating how to best dispose of your body the human would be in a magazine or calendar. This Feli has features that seem more human than cat, like the legs, shoulder (to me), and the much mentioned chest fur.

Plus to me it looks long. If it stood up I'd picture it rising on two legs and having an oddly long middle section. I've only seen a few people complaining about that though.

Anyway, it sounds like the chest fur is getting changed. I imagine if the body/legs were altered ever so slightly to look less human people wouldn't complain about it looking too sexy anymore. Or at least not nearly as many people would.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I love the pose so much. ;-; And the feli looks realy cute now. Much better than the old feli. It also have a better shading. ^^

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Was this revamp the same artist as the last revamp?
I think the feli looks great! I would like it better if the tail was repositioned to be laying on the ground, but I would be happy if this was the final result. So what if the cat looks a little seductive? It's all how you perceive it, and in my eyes the cat actually looks really sweet.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Ahahahaha

Revamp = Argument

Hey:

There are always going to be people who hate it, no matter what.

So I say we go with the poll. Which shows that most people think it's better.

Also, my cat regularly lays like that, with his back half twisted out at almost a 90 degree angle.

It's cute.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I think there's a difference between critiquing (ex: I think the tail is at a weird angle) and just outright being insulting with no redeeming purpose to the comment. (ex: it looks trashy)

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

NP Keshi, and thank you too ;D
We got to keep things in perspective here! XD

Trott on artists! There's more compliments then complaints, keep them on your mind as well and don't let the negativety get the best of you all! ^^

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Why are you all complaining as much as this? It's a picture, not a new planet idea (wtf, I couldn't think). And may I ask, could you complainers do any better? I think a majority of you would not be able to, just stop it pleas,e the artists tried their best and I doubt they want this much argumenting over a well done image.
I personally think it's adorable. If you guise hate it then DON'T BLOODY ADOPT IT.
jesus is it THAT HARD to do?
You don't NEED to adopt all the pets that are released/revamped.

It seems like the 2 C words keep getting confused lately. Users have the right to Critique art. Many users on Sub already Own Felis, as they are one of the most popular species. If you don't approve of a future revamp that affects you, I'm sure you will be voicing your opinion too.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Argh, there's too many cute cats in this thread.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Cute ^^

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Luxe, if you look at Satanaels cat carefully (aww, lovely cat) you will see that cats don't fold their back legs like this. I have had three cats in my life and I have never seen them doing that. This is not a pose a cat would take. When a cat lies like the one of Satanael, it could jump up and hunt mice. The feli couldn't do this. It would first need 5 seconds to untangle all its paws.
That aspect fully aside, people adopt pets to give them a certain character, and like someone else has mentioned, this Feli here is vast apart from the personality of the previous Feli.
Please don't take me wrong, I respect Jags work. However, I agree with the aforementioned person which said that she would prefer this new Feli as an own species rather than as a revamp.

Himmels, you know just as well as I do that if this were presented as a new species, there would be several thousand people asking why it just couldn't have been the feli revamp because they'd be too similar.

That aside, I think you're forgetting that a feli isn't a domestic cat, and as Mythi said already, while Subeta artists use real world animals as references, they are loosely based. I am assuming that you mean the front legs are tangled? Because surely humorless' photo covers the hind legs as reasonable.

This photo easily proves that cats can and do cross their front legs, and usually even moreso than Jag has portrayed here.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Why are you all complaining as much as this? It's a picture, not a new planet idea (wtf, I couldn't think). And may I ask, could you complainers do any better? I think a majority of you would not be able to, just stop it pleas,e the artists tried their best and I doubt they want this much argumenting over a well done image.
I personally think it's adorable. If you guise hate it then DON'T BLOODY ADOPT IT.
jesus is it THAT HARD to do?
You don't NEED to adopt all the pets that are released/revamped.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Aw I think its cute, and way better than the original. I don't find it sexual in any way, I think of a cat. Plain and simple.

I think the pose is fine:

Here and here.

The only thing I think looks slightly awkward is cats don't normally roll their hips so far when laying that way. I mean, it just seems like the right(bottom) leg should be under the body a little more, while the left(top) leg should be extending a little further. -pokes pics-

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Goodness people. So hard to please. Everything has to to perfect to fit everyone's tastes.
You know that's impossible right?

I personally think it looks adorable, way better than the old one, I don't think the chest poof's supposed to be , and cats do sit like that.
If they changed the legs a bit won't it look more like an cat and realistic-er? Isn't it supposed to be a bit cartoony?...pfft. Nothing's perfect.
Plus smexy animals make a smexy site. -rolls- 8D

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Trojah, thank you ;3;

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Personally, as mentioned before I think there's nothing sexual about the new feli, but out of curiosity, why is it wrong to have a pet that MAY look teasing in a sexual manner, then to have pets that look violent, covered in blood and looks as if it's killed something?

Don't get me wrong, I don't think theres anything wrong with the bloodred pets because I don't get violent by looking at them nor sexually charged when I see a seductive drawing, I just thing the perspective is wacked to those who would complain at this feli that has no sexual features.

Geez, if I showed some of my drawings here (which are fairly nice compared to what others may draw in terms of nudity) I woud be burnt like a witch! XD

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

If it's not supposed to be human, why are you assigning it human sexuality?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I never seen a cat in that pose.

Still like it though.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

-Sigh-. Another chance to knock an amazing pet. Stop beign so politically correct when the pose is that of a CATS.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Um, I like it, I really do, but it looks so... sexy.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I love it. Definitely gives off a feminine sense, but then I've always considered the Feli female, so that doesn't bother me. I might make the snout a tad larger, but even that isn't necessary.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I don't care what anyone else says. I think it's great.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Shouldn't it? These pets /can/ talk...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Quote By AmLita:

; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">I thought we established earlier that a feli is catlike, but not 100% a cat?

I think you will agree it shouldn't be human either?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I thought we established earlier that a feli is catlike, but not 100% a cat?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I think one of the "shape" problems with the hind legs is that in most 4-legged animals including cats, the "knee"-analogous joint is closer to the body. A slight reshaping that way, a slight repositioning, and a little bit of fur would eliminate the effect of the current hind legs, for me.

I should shush now and go back to bed. :-p

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Personally, I think any points about the new feli being "suggestive" or "sexual" are null and void after seeing satanael's cat. That's almost identical to the feli's pose and shows that it is natural. Thanks for posting that, Satanael.

Luxe, if you look at Satanaels cat carefully (aww, lovely cat) you will see that cats don't fold their back legs like this. I have had three cats in my life and I have never seen them doing that. This is not a pose a cat would take. When a cat lies like the one of Satanael, it could jump up and hunt mice. The feli couldn't do this. It would first need 5 seconds to untangle all its paws.
That aspect fully aside, people adopt pets to give them a certain character, and like someone else has mentioned, this Feli here is vast apart from the personality of the previous Feli.
Please don't take me wrong, I respect Jags work. However, I agree with the aforementioned person which said that she would prefer this new Feli as an own species rather than as a revamp.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Maybe add some fluff to the hind legs? That would make them look less human-like and therefore less suggestive. Because a cat in this pose looks natural, but a human does not. And since the front legs, cheek and chest have fluff, it makes the hind legs seem kinda off. If you look at satanael's cat, you can see that the cat has more fluff on the legs than on the chest. But well, that's what I think...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

WOW, he's a big improvement. I see how fans of the old version could be disappointed though, maybe the facial experssion should have been more similar to the original?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

claps congrats on a revamp that actually still looks like the original pet. didn't know we could do that.

only thing is something about the pose. i have no idea what cause i just woke up, maybe it looks to human to me who knows. i just think of a lounge singer laughs

but since i can't say what it is, i have no suggestions for it ><

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I agree, Luxe. And it's such a cute cat. >o<

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

MissXami
I never noticed that back leg on the old feli... wow, it is so weird looking..

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Personally, I think any points about the new feli being "suggestive" or "sexual" are null and void after seeing satanael's cat. That's almost identical to the feli's pose and shows that it is natural. Thanks for posting that, Satanael.

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