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December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I seriously doubt this will be read... There was a revamp of the Fei a while ago, it's at the bottom of the poll list. This feli is much better than the one above me. Why couldn't we just go with that one? It looks so much more benign than this one, no boobs, no seductive tail... just cute and feli like. I would be much more happy with that one. If it's changed to the one above, I'll have one smexy angel feli, and I don't want a smexy angel feli.
I say no to the feli boobs!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

i wish it didn't have the fur boobs

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

it's freaky looking

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Sexual? Please people, it's a cat.us My cat lays like that for cryin' out loud!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

You know, I voted for this revamp, but after reading some of the comments here, I must admit that the pose DOES look sexual...and the chest fluff DOES look like fur-boobs...the earlier revamp is preferable, in my opinion ^^

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Its cool, but I like the other feli revamp better, where it was still sitting up. I wish they'd used that one, instead of making another revamp idea instead.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I like the first revamp better. :/

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

the legs look like boobs.

end of story.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

On the subject of poses, I think it would be really cute if the Feli was drawn on its hind legs, like it was reaching up to grab a piece of string or something! :3 Just an idea... -cat lover-

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Alright.. I know the revamp came out a few days ago, but I decided to comment now.. because I just started commenting now :3
Here goes...

I don't like it. True, when I first saw the first Feli revamp I didn't like it, but now, after seeing both of the revamps together, I prefer the original revamp.

Now, as it's pretty obvious from my six (yes, six) Feli (wait.. is the plural of Feli "feli's" or "feli"? o_o It would be nice if someone could clear that up for me, thanks , I love the species. Well, I'm a big cat lover, and yes.. cats do lie down in a posistion rather like that, and I should really know, because I own seven cats IRL. Yes, seven.

But what really looks sexual to me is /how/ it's posed.. cats don't pose EXACTLY like that. As Himmel said, it /would/ take the new Feli a few seconds to get up in this position.

And there is /no/ denying that, at the end of the day, the Feli is, really, a cat. Sure, it's a cartoon one. Yes, it has purple stripes. Yes, it has horns and wings. But it /is/ influenced by a cat. THAT is why, when I made my account, I chose a Feli for my first pet.

I can see that the Feli needs a revamp.. technically, it /is/ looking quite old now. I'm glad that I waited to comment, because I know that, had I commented when this was released, I would have been not as reasonable as I'm trying to be right now.

Maybe another.. yes.. another.. revamp is needed. I don't know what happened to the old revamp's artist; I know /why/ the Feli was re-revamped; people were complaining that it looked like it was dragging it's butt. Personally I don't see that (and I've seen pets do that irl), but whatever. HOWEVER, the old revamp looked more child-like and wide-eyed, like the original.

To sum it up, I think another revamp is needed.. well, more of a redraw really. If it was sitting down, then I think I'd be fine with it ^^

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I don't think it looks sexual at all. owo
I mean. My cat lays like that all the time. I think it's normal.

I maybe it's just me? |D;

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

NyauNyau, that is a great pose, good edit!

As others have said, it's too sexual. And no I'm not "trying" to see sexual things in it, it's just there. I wish it wasn't.

And yes I'm saying the same thing that many, many others have said and I don't care if people are tired of hearing it. My opinion is just as valid as the first person who said it and as the fifteenth person.

The fact is if only a couple people had said it then everyone else who agreed didn't bother saying they agreed the artists would be saying: "Well, very few people thought that." If a lot of people agree it's too sexual a lot of people should say so. And they have. I'll get off my soapbox now.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I also shrank the cheak markings and made a few of the arm-lines less noticeable. The dark eyes were not intentional, but now that I look at them, they look more natural with the color.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I took the Revamped Feli.. did some editing... and this is what I came up with. I think the staff did a good job with the revamp as they do with most, however, my version (in my opinion) is closer to the original.

I simply re-sized the nose, darkened the cream color of the chest, shrank the back foot, and tucked the stomach.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I like the old big-headed chibi kittenish Feli better than this. Most people who got a Feli got it for its chibi-like appeal...it's why I made it my first and favorite pet. Though, if it DOES have to change, I'd rather have this sexual pose than a regular cat pose. It does look really sexual and feminine, which could actually fit with my Feli's personality, so I'd rather have this than just some normal, boring, "realistic" looking cat with all the stylistic cuteness gone.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I didn't even think of boob fluff until I came and read these comments x_x;

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I generally post my opinion then read the opinion of others. If it happens to reiterate the opinion of something previously posted, then so be it. If you would prefer people read all previously posted comments before making a contribution, then please specify this at the outset.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

But .. I came back here just to pet the pretty feli! ( I guess its her breast that draw me back in..)

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Personally, I think it's time staff locked this for comments. Nothing new is being brought up. :

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

seriously? you guys think givin it a chest and a well meaning social worker y pose is cute? christ. and i absolutly defy admins to put apoll up with the old version first and the new version second to elminate the mail in votes.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Oh my!I prefer the old Feli-I think it's much cuter and I would never let my dear Fusia change!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Oh my!I prefer the old Feli-I think it's much cuter and I would never let my dear Fusia change!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

GENERIC COMMENT COMING AT YOU. (But Felis are tied with sheetas for my favorite pet so I had to say something).

I like it mostly because the colours and markings weren't changed, and the art is really good. I wouldn't consider it 'sexual', seeing as how I have a cat myself, but the whole 'fur boob' thing happened cause of the placement of the black line, not the presence of it (IMO, I think it should be put more to my right). The back legs are very slick, which makes it look a little more human which probably caused the whole 'sexual' thing.

I REALLY love NyauNyau's edit and I think it should be put into serious consideration. It's alot more cutesy (I don't even like cute things but I love that edit) and it fixes the whole 'sexual' and 'anthro-esque' problem.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Why change such a small thing? As a professional artist, my answer would be that we don't put all the work we do into our art only to let something small stand in the way of it being just right. My medium is generally paint on canvas, which is a lot harder to make corrections on, but I will not consider a piece truly finished until it's the best I can make it. With computer graphics, it's so easy to make a change, who wouldn't do it? If one has pride in one's work.

And I understand the annoyance with the same opinions being repeated, but as Cranberry so astutely pointed out, if only two or three people said something, it might give the impression that it is only two or three people who feel that way. A poll is given not just to a handful of Subeta members to represent the whole population, but to ALL, and the comments are given to elaborate on why they voted that way. It is indeed helpful to know that 147 people feel a certain way, not just the two or three.

That being said, I agree that the revamp looks a bit anthro-furry, which is not to my personal taste but is certainly VERY popular. (There are even whole anthro conventions devoted to the subject) So it's just a matter of what segment of the Subeta population you're aiming the design for, and what you want the finished product to represent. If you're going for the anthro-furry cat-human hybrid look, then this is perfect. If you want something that looks more like an animal with no human characteristics blended in, then it does need some tweaking.

Also yes, as Toshiya said, the old feli has a sort of wide-eyed kittenish innocence to the face that I find very appealing. If the chibi version could retain this sort of look, at least that would be good for those of us who prefer the old facial expression.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Well well well. This is just wonderful! I adore the unique pose. c: The anatomy is correct as far as I can see.. and when it comes to the chest fur (lmao the 'furry boobs') I believe its fine with it. No need to change a thing. Why change such a small thing?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Of course I didn't read EVERY comment here, but it seems as if anything that doesn't just say "Oh yes yes this is a vast improvement it's PERFECT" will be taken offense to. Which makes me wonder why bother giving the option to comment at all. Still...

I'm sorry to say, there is little I like about this revamp at all. Does this make me a terrible person, or simply mean I have no taste? I don't like the pose at all, as well as the chest cleavage; as already mentioned it seems too humanlike. This will appeal to those who like the whole "furrie" thing of hybrid catgirls, but it's just not my personal taste. Ok?

I also prefer the feli's face as it was. It has an expression that makes me want to pet it, whereas this one is just.. eh. Not to say the artwork isn't good, because it obviously is. It just needs a little tweaking.

People arguing that this isn't a real animal so anyone who dislikes the revamp pose is of course WRONG to use that reasoning... well this is just the response of people who cannot accept other's differing viewpoint. People's opinions are their opinions, we can't argue their reasons because it's THEIR reasons; and besides, no one needs any 'reason' for their opinion other than simply 'I don't like it', so debating their reason is pointless.

To the accusation of people having 'dirty minds' I would have to say, I'm the one who never notices sexual innuendo type jokes or understands why everyone is giggling at a certain image, I seem to be the last one to catch that sort of thing. You don't need a dirty mind, all you need is to be over 5 years old and have had any exposure to television, movies, or magazines in the western world. The pose is womanlike and slightly 'seductive', and with the inclusion of cleavage on the chest I don't believe this was anything but intentional. Again, it puts one in mind of anthro-style catgirls, which I personally do not like.

NyauNyau's outline example is nice, I would like to see something like that. I'd like to see the chibi version, at least, keep the young kittenish quality to the facial expression that the old feli has.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Not bad, not bad.
The only thing that looks off to me is the chest fluff. I think it'd look fine without, honestly. But otherwise, fantastic job, Ex.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I love the detail in the fur, and the art style is an overall improvement, but, and I know people have said this before me, it looks really sexy :S
yeah.
But I think it's a big improvement from the old one. Although, I think the chest fur could be centered a little more. It doesn't look quite right...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

well... probably the Angel feli will be revamped too.. am i right? ;~~

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Well, now that we've had 500 people say the exact same thing...
I probably shouldn't even bother putting in my duplicate comment, but come on guys, we can make it 600 people. Woo~!
Ahem I really like this revamp. Firstly, the art style is a huge improvement from the previous. Second of all, the expression is nearly perfect, very much "pet me I'm cute." The only two things that I might change is the length of the torso (but then we wander into the Feli versus real cat discussion) and the tufts on the hair - they're a bit to curvy and off centered than how I would imagine the fur would lay.
Regardless, great job applause

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

You guys are having wayyy too much fun with the redlingin process, and trying to get the artists to change simple things around. Everyone on the site has different opinions on how things should and should not be drawn; could you imagine how pointless it would be to redraw it yet again fit to one person's preferences, only to have it be critisized by another thousand people later?

I absolutely love the revamp. I was really worried about the feli being revamped, as it's one of my favourite pets. I dont pay attention to anatomy flaws or expression all that much because after all, this isn't the real world. I dont point anything out unless it really stands out to me.
You know what i LOVE most about this revamp(since people who enjoy pet revamps all seem to have withered away lately...)?
How you guys UPDATED the Feli, without changing it too drastically. It was in need of a change, i'm just glad you didn't change it's name, markings, or colours around. Thanks, guys. Marvelous revamp, in my opinion. :3

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

This is a really good revamp, and I don't think it resembles that. They aren't fur boobs obviously, and it doesn't really look like it, it just looks a bit... Furry. I think it looks a really good piece of artwork. Keep up the good work Subetian Artists!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

What is it about the Feli that causes so much critisism?!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Well said Cranberry, that is how many people react to things.

You know the Feli is a favorite pet, many people are going to speak up. Quite often opinions are ignored unless many people say the same thing. And when insults come out (Like you all are pervs, or something not quite as drastic but the same idea, even from some Staff) other people say the same thing to back it up. I am a 32yo SAHM, and I am far from having a mind in the gutter, but I see the pin-up pose and fur boobs as well. And I know cats VERY well.

But the she-cat is very well drawn. While it's a great interpretation, it's just an about-face from the current Feli, which has people up in arms. And insulting people with that opinion is not helping either, even if it's due to (understandable) frustration.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

fur-boobs?
funny

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I see your point, Illusion... but on the other hand, if only one or two people said the feli was in a too-sexy, too human-like pose, the staffers might just disregard those comments, thinking that most people had no problem with the art. If every second user has the same complaints, the staffers are more likely to realize that there's a bigger issue than usual with the art.

I'm sure it absolutely sucks to have your work torn to pieces (heck, I write humorous pieces for a magazine and it sometimes annoys me when my editor takes out some of my jokes!), but you can't take it personally. Most people really seem to like Jag's shading and general style. They just don't like this feli, and they feel like they need to speak up or it won't change. And staffers arguing back, insinuating that they're perverts or saying that the feli's not a cat or whatever, just results in more people trying to explain why they don't like it. Better to just say "thank you; your opinion's been noted" or something like that, and then change (or don't change) the art. There's really no need to argue when you ultimately decide the final product anyway.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I really can't see the suggestive-sexyness in this. It's a Feli, laying down. After hearing so much about the boobtuffhair I can sort of see where you're coming from, but I still don't quite see it. It's tuffs of hair, not boobs. I love this revamp and I hope it'll be used. Also, staff members not being able to take critique? :/ I think they are. If they wouldn't listen at all to the users, how come they never used the first revamp of the Feli? Because too many people didn't like it.

I think it's great that we do have something to say in the revamps here, it's part of what makes this place great. :/

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Time and time again I feel embarrassed to see staff react the way they do to legitimate criticism from a great number of users.

I'm assuming that many staff artists in particular want to move on to some sort of professional-art-job when they're older, and I have to wonder, how will they react to criticism then? As an artist you have to learn to look at your work with an objective eye and calmly take the blows as they come. Of course you're welcome to disagree, but being completely stubborn to seeing other viewpoints will prevent your art from ever improving.

That goes for non-artist staff as well. Anyone in a manager/supervisor position has two duties: Support your staff below you if they are harassed by "customers," and yet deal with customers in a professional manner. I saw no flaming or harassment in this post from users, but only from the staff themselves.

In a word: Shame. :|

I just browsed through all of these comments and the one person this can be directed to (Ex), because it's crits to HER art and not the artist of subeta in general.. and shes handled some of these ridiculous comments in a calm and professional manor.

We all take crits well. Some better than others, granted. A lot are helpful. But when a pet is first posted, someone will post a crit, and most reaction from us will be "Hm. I didn't see it that way." and we may consider changing it, or not. And then another user post the exact same thing. And then another. And then another. And then 10 more. And then 50 more. And then... you get the point.

In a real office type job, are you going to have adults you're working with all repeat the exact same thing over and over and over again, after they KNOW the person just before them said it, like you were deaf to the first persons suggestion, or the seconds, or the thirds, fourths, fifths? No. Thats when most of us get very annoyed, because we take the crits, and then it is no longer helpful when you have 300 people following up to say the exact same thing. It just isn't. End of story. Thats all we want - helpful comments/crits - and we ask this of you guys so many times.

How can it be helpful anymore after the first person or two? After that, when it's repeated 100 times over, it's not criticism anymore, imo. We get it. We read all the comments. As Ex said, we have to.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

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It's great! I like it very much and that's a pose I would vote for. Great edit NyauNyau =)

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Time and time again I feel embarrassed to see staff react the way they do to legitimate criticism from a great number of users.

I'm assuming that many staff artists in particular want to move on to some sort of professional-art-job when they're older, and I have to wonder, how will they react to criticism then? As an artist you have to learn to look at your work with an objective eye and calmly take the blows as they come. Of course you're welcome to disagree, but being completely stubborn to seeing other viewpoints will prevent your art from ever improving.

That goes for non-artist staff as well. Anyone in a manager/supervisor position has two duties: Support your staff below you if they are harassed by "customers," and yet deal with customers in a professional manner. I saw no flaming or harassment in this post from users, but only from the staff themselves.

In a word: Shame. :|

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I like this. It has a lot more character than the old Feli, and of course, the art is fantastic. I love the cute+a little demonic of the Feli. Honestly, I never got one because the art wasn't... well... great. Anyhoo, my only issue is that there's something about the face/muzzle/the horns and ears just a little that looks off. I wish I could be more specific, but I can't think of what it is. Good luck trying to please everyone, it can't be easy.

As for this whole "sexy" argument, I think it's a little anthropomorphic, but not overly suggestive, and anyone who sees that in it is looking a little too hard for it. I will concede that the chest fur looks a little like ... er... boobs... now that it's been pointed out.

I like the old revamp, too, but it's important that the artist displays something that (s)he is proud of.

At any rate, it might need just a little tweaking but it looks beautiful so far!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I don't think the Feli needs to be anatomically correct

The colouring is lush! But I just prefer the old Feli I think it has something to do with the jawline... the old Feli has a big 'babyface' with a wide jaw, and the body is much smaller in comparison. I like that

I think I prefer the old revamp, but with the new colouring it would be better <3

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I like NyauNyau's alteration compared to the current revamp idea. It looks a bit more catlike, or even a bit like a lion lounging. It'd still lose the kitten appeal some people don't want to be lost but it'd lose the humanness than many (including myself) don't really like. That one or a kitten-styled Feli I'd consider adopting, not that that matters to anyone.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I like that a lot, Nyau -- that version is no longer in a sexy human-like pose. I especially like the back feet; that's closer to how my cats look when they're sprawled out.

I have no problem with the feli's expression -- the "sex kitten" thing is more in the pose than in the expression. Jag is clearly a talented artist, and the shading is lovely. It's just the pose that needs a little work.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

yeah i like everthing except the fur boobs

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Waited to see some of the posts before I commented as well. The pose is a bit too human-like... the feli appears to have cleavage even hehe.

It would be nice to see it drawn more cat-like. ATM I much prefer the old and will be pretty sad if my beloved feli ends up looking like this

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

i like Digi's version of the feli

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Can I just say: Dragon revamp

If it can happen there, there is no reason the eyebrows can't be changed or removed here.

Yeah, and remember the outcry that caused? =/ I really wouldn't want to witness that again...

I do like that pose and the chest puff NyauNyau.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Hows this redline?

<img src="http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3089/felipose2kw1.th.gif"

If it dont work .. http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3089/felipose2kw1.th.gif

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I seriously can't believe how immature some of the staff is being on this issue - I thought one of the thing Subeta prided itself on was the ability to take criticism from the users? So some users are pointing out things they don't like about this revamp, and of course the artists are acting completely rude and immature, instead of seriously considering any opinions. If it were one person saying it looks like a 'sex kitten', to put it bluntly, I might understand - but considering its SEVERAL users, you think something'd be taken into consideration here.

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