Subeta - New Shops - Gold Account Testing

New Shops - Gold Account Testing

April 7, 2016 4:55 pm

Attention, Gold Account users! We have a new feature for you to test--revamped Shops and Galleries!

The user shops and galleries have been rewritten because they currently put a huge stress on our database, and it's affecting the ability of the site to function.

For the new shops and galleries, we’ve set limits for how many items you can have in each, which means we’ll be retiring the Super Shop! and Hoarder! achievements. Currently the limits are as follows: you can have 250 unique items in a shop, and 500 in a gallery. This limit doubles to 500 in a shop, 1000 in a gallery if you have a Gold Account. These limits are only for unique items, you'll be able to have as many duplicates as you'd like.

Your items won't disappear if your Gold Account expires while over the limit, you just won't be able to add any more until you have either sold/removed enough items or have an active Gold Account again. You can have up to 3 shops/galleries, or up to 6 with a Gold Account. We anticipate being able to raise these limits significantly, but we wanted to start off small and increase rather than starting off big and having to reduce it.

Gold Account testing for will be active until 11:59pm on April 16th. The new user shops/galleries will be released to everyone on the 17th. Once the new shops are live, you will not be able to add anything new to your old shops!

On April 24th, all old shops will be disabled. You’ll still be able to remove items from them, you just won’t be able to reprice items or have other users purchase from it.

The Super Shop! and Hoarder! achievements will be retired on the 17th once the shops/galleries go live for everyone.

Information and a link to the new shops can be found here if you're a Gold Account member. will start pushing changes/fixing bugs on the 13th, so keep that in mind as you submit feedback. We will continue to make any necessary changes once shops/galleries are live for everyone to make sure they’re working to their full potential!

We know this will be a big change for a lot of people, but it's a crucial step for the continued improvement and success of the site, and for your overall user experience.

April 8, 2016, 2:27 am by

I'm sorry, I didn't know you've seen Keith's bank account and know his financial situation, how much his staff gets paid and the whole logistics behind running this site and running this business...In all seriousness though, if you have some useful insight on how to help the site, you should send a message to Keith or one of the admins.

I'm not here to argue. Yes it sucks when you have 30k+ items to sort through. They are working on a solution for that. They did give us advance notice to start sorting through our stuff. Would giving us more time before introducing the change be better? Absolutely. It's not the end of the world though, there are some positives.

You still get to keep all your stuff. They are not deleting the old stores at this time, just shutting them down
You can keep all your gallery items. You can still see them in the disabled shops.
If you have thousands of cheap junk items for achievements now is your time to get rid of them since the achievements for hoarding will be retired. They have already given you the ability to frag special items. Now you can have a ton of humming crystals to buy more things with your junk
If you have thousands of items to sell - think of this as your opportunity to stop sitting on these items and make money off of them. They don't do you any good just sitting there. Start selling them now instead of procrastinating.

April 8, 2016, 2:25 am by

I'm so mad...

April 8, 2016, 2:24 am by

Do you know how many rewards cards I've filled up buying CSC with CASH to get things for my galleries? Do you know that I got the bobble head collections filled, NOT by buying the bobble heads, but by spending CASH in the cash shop, and much of it was for gallery items? I wonder if there's a way I can find out how much I've spent over my 10 years here... but regardless, I won't be making THAT mistake ever again.

April 8, 2016, 2:21 am by

I mean what is the point of even having a wishlist if I don't have a place to put the stuff when I buy it -_-

April 8, 2016, 2:19 am by

While this seems like a great idea on theory and for the good of the site, it's.. yeah. The moment I finished reading the post, I knew there was going to be backlash. And you thought the tree debacle was bad!

Personally? I don't vend often, only when I have a GA so I can autoprice it all, so most of my shop-based sales are "putting expensive stuff in the shop and using it as a gallery to show off things I want to sell". People with GAs are going to have more space to take advantage of with their ability to autoprice, so it goes hand in hand. I'm really not bothered by this change.

But I can definitely see how this change /would/ be an issue. 250/500 does seem really low, especially for people who are constantly vending or restocking, and it might give questing a hit because suddenly all the really big shops that have everything in them at lowest market price are going to be crippled.

At the same time, it might also give the economy a kick, because there's no infinite space to sell stuff anymore, which leads to competition for what you /want/ to sell. (Which in turn might just make HTS items rarer. Oops.)

I think that 250/500 is a little restrictive for bigger shops, and this could use adjusting for them. Galleries being bigger is cool, although it might not be enough. One answer could be taking the Neopets approach and letting people expand their shop size with money, but.. well, I'll leave ideas like that to people who are much more hands-on with the market than me.

April 8, 2016, 2:19 am by

Does this mean I have to start over with achievements? I am so close to getting to the final tier of Shop Till Saver. I really don't want to have to start over again.

April 8, 2016, 2:18 am by

You have got to be kidding me? This is a terrible decision. Very upset, my gallery is one of my favorite things on here and now I have to figure out how to make this work.

April 8, 2016, 2:15 am by

I've been thinking about this all day, and I still don't have words. It really makes no sense to me. At all.

April 8, 2016, 2:13 am by

April 8, 2016, 2:10 am by

Very disappointed with this change

April 8, 2016, 2:10 am by

So let me get this straight -

- New shop / gallery size limits. M'kay. Kinda janky BS, but okay. - If I don't move my items from the gallery/shops before these limits kick in, then what? Does it all just sit there, or what? - What kind of crazy low # is that 250/500 for a shop and 500/1000 for a gallery? Been here just short of 5 years and it's ALWAYS been about collections, galleries, and having as many of the unique items as possible. Now it's "Just kidding?"

To facilitate these changes (that there is seriously NOT enough time for!) there need to be changes made:

a "Quick remove" option in the shops/galleries so that we can shuffle items in a simple manner to our vaults or to other galleries or shops
a quick add feature for the Minion Zoo (just as there is for the plushies, bean bags, and card collections) so that those of us that have minion galleries can dump them all there.

C'mon guys, what say you?

April 8, 2016, 2:04 am by

At least PLEASE consider moving the limit for shops to 1000 for basic accounts and 2000 for GAs, these parameters are absurd, I don't quest much, I don't vend and I still have 750 items in my shop, I will get over the gallery thing but you have to reconsider shops, you're hurting the entire economy this way!

April 8, 2016, 1:58 am by

I'm being proactive. I have deleted 3 galleries. Moved my hoard gallery with 6k items into my shop to sell those items. Moving my wears gallery back into my wardrobe (3k+ items) I guess I'll be having to put my old wears back into my wardrobe. LOL.

April 8, 2016, 1:54 am by

Also, as this has been an issue for years why pushing it within 10 days now? And in the middle of a very busy season on Subeta? Is it like "fixing" wishlists and christmas trees at the beginning of December? And yes, that limit is hilarious. I am a collector. I am very proud of my collections. I think loving items and minions and stuff of Subeta is something good, isn't it?

Yes, I noticed after trying the link. It is just worded misunderstandably in the post. Besides, I am a member of siteupdates. I don't remember a shop and gallery revamp being an issue lately.

April 8, 2016, 1:44 am by

As someone who has been on this site for almost 11 years, I have never seen such a negative reaction to something as much as this, which should definitely tell you guys something because there has been a lot of bullshit on this site over the years. My 'hoards' aren't large, but my minion gallery is for sure over the limit, and I dread moving that around let alone the users who have 5-15k worth of items in their shops/galleries. Anything else I could say has already been stated in a much better fashion than anything I could have put down, but I sincerely hope that this gets re-looked at before anything concrete is put into place because you're going to be losing a lot judging by the comments here.

April 8, 2016, 1:42 am by

Hmmm....we're up to over 500 comments on this new thing, very little of it positive except to say that one person thought it was neat. I wonder if there were other new things that got this much reaction...like maybe taking away Subeautique achievements for no longer having the item in your wardrobe...or discontinuing the Journal ( no, that went with a relative whimper...never mind ) oh--oh--I know what may have gotten this much negative response...Revamping the Battle Colosseum with Tiers! (No? )

I don't get it really, how is breaking up a lots of large data matrices (like shops and galleries) into scores of smaller data matrices going to take the burden off the system? What's going to prevent a user with a 40,000 unique item shop from moving all that into his or her vault? Isn't a vault a data matrix too? Data is data. What you're really saying is that Subeta Users have too much stuff and you can't store it any more. That's the inference I'm getting from this round of kerfuffle.

I'm reminded of the plot of two asteroid movies where they wanted to blow it up, turning on big rock into millions of small rocks all hurtling toward Earth at over 25,000 MPH. Isn't there any other solution to your data management issues other then foisting this new thing on us?

You know, this new think reminds me of Daylight Saving Time...you've heard this before from Nixon...right? "We will save energy by cutting the end of the bed blanket off the bottom and sewing it on the top."

April 8, 2016, 1:40 am by

...but... my minion gallery. The limits are unreasonable.

April 8, 2016, 1:34 am by

The "test" limit is dangerously low and game breaking. The idea is to start with a realistic number, then work your way up from there. Not the bare minimum and tbh, 250/500 doesn't even meet that. Plus, do you have any idea how slow the staff are when it comes to changing things? The Christmas Tree Debacle took 3 weeks to fix and was half stalled because the one coder that could fix it wasn't there. What kind of legitimate business does that? There needs to be at least six coders for this website, if not ten or more and don't tell me the site can't afford that many. Trust me, with the implementation of CW's, Keith's made mad bank and has been laughing all the way. (Plus, this is the same website that took three years to revamp the bloodred harvester. THREE YEARS.)

April 8, 2016, 1:31 am by

I thought galleries were supposed to end up as a separate feature...why isn't that happening any more?

April 8, 2016, 1:31 am by

That particular issue is addressed above: "Your items won't disappear if your Gold Account expires while over the limit, you just won't be able to add any more until you have either sold/removed enough items or have an active Gold Account again."

I assume the same would be true for creating new galleries/shops.

April 8, 2016, 1:27 am by

Something nobody has asked yet: How is this going to affect people who have a gold account and won't buy a new one? Like, let's say Subeta actually goes through with the changes and limits on galleries/shops on the 24th. My gold account expires after that date. If I open six shops/galleries on April 24th, and do not get a new gold account after this one runs out, how does this affect my galleries/shops? Do three galleries/shops just disappear? If I have 1000 items in my gallery, and my gold account expires, will 500 be deleted at random? And as for the amount of shops/galleries: If I have six with my current gold account, and I stop paying for my gold account, how does Subeta decide which of the shops/galleries I won't be able to access/use as a regular user? Is this going to affect only the last/first three shops? What if I opened three galleries, my shop is the sixth one I opened, and the last three shops/galleries are no longer accessable/can not be edited after becoming a regular user? This "update" seems really poorly thought through.

April 8, 2016, 1:21 am by

Wow! Usually are less than 2,000 users on the site at any given time and more than 500 posts have been made on this news topic; this should indicate to subeta staff that this is a very hot topic. Furthermore, from what I gather in reading these posts, this is a very unwelcome change. :(

April 8, 2016, 1:19 am by

Lol no.

Stop.

April 8, 2016, 1:12 am by

I think a lot of people are perplexed as to why galleries should have to be split up at all. They're only viewed once in a while and likely aren't nearly the server drain that shops are; and some peoples' galleries are literally thousands of items which could span 5, 10 or even more of these new galleries. Even for shops, I don't really see why having a whole bunch of small shops is better than one larger one. The number of total items within them would still be the same. This approach just makes the autopricer next to useless.

Though I agree 100% about rage quitting. Subeta's staff are usually pretty reasonable! Until the change actually goes live, I'll be crossing my fingers they make some major adjustments!

April 8, 2016, 1:07 am by

This is going to be a mess...

April 8, 2016, 12:59 am by

Quote by skoletta

Quote from Keith 06/8/15:
"Galleries won&;t have limits, because they&;ll be spun off to separate pages. That&;ll make them a <em>lot</em> less stressful on the system than they are now (because those items are included in all shop search queries / item price queries / etc) so they shouldn&;t need limits." link

April 8, 2016, 12:56 am by

having to spread collections out over separate galleries is just stupid, IMO. YMMV.

April 8, 2016, 12:54 am by

:: I agree. I'm just waiting for them to implement this huge negative change that no one wants, drive users away from the site, and then have nothing to show for it in two months when there are still huge problems with the site. There are constant issues anyway, but at least we've always had the features we've wanted. Now they're taking things away that a lot of people obviously only use Subeta for, and it's hard to believe there'll be any positive impact from it. So then what will they take away?

April 8, 2016, 12:50 am by

Also, heads up - the autopricer doesn't work in the new shops yet. SMH again.

April 8, 2016, 12:46 am by

THAT IMAGE THAT IMAGE!!! So so true.

April 8, 2016, 12:44 am by

Also, I 100% agree with .

April 8, 2016, 12:42 am by

Probably means they're waiting for people to take a chill pill, before they say word one. At this point, I'd imagine they're backed into a corner, holding a chair up defensively and quivering in fear. Occasionally, they'll poke the chair at rabid, starved wolverines that currently represent the Subeta userbase, but in general, they're just sort of quietly sobbing and rocking back and forth.

Good god, imagine what the ticket system looks like, right about now. I do not envy the staff, at the moment.

April 8, 2016, 12:38 am by

This is literally the worst idea I have ever seen on this site. At this point, I'd just be reiterating things that far more eloquent people have said, but good grief... You're just shooting yourself in the foot with this one, Subeta. All I can think is... if this is implemented regardless of the huge crap storm in this comment section, just think of the huge crap storm it'll cause when it's fixed absolutely nothing afterwords. Maybe that's cynical of me, but after years on this site with promises of "things will be better after this update!" only for things to improve negligibly or not at all, this just seems like a huge mess for very little positive outcome.

Please rethink this.

April 8, 2016, 12:38 am by

A 500 item shop with a ga? how am i supposed to make money? And my galleries are both way bigger because they got event stuff in there because vaults aren't really an option.

I'm not happy at all. I get not wanting 20k item shops but 500 max is the whole other end. That's 5 days of quest rewards.

April 8, 2016, 12:33 am by

Oh yes I can see that being the case too. It could still be something like 15 shops/galleries. That would be a big increase. It might be hard for themed galleries like minions that go over the 250/500/whatever limit it is now but you could create multiple galleries with the same theme?

All I'm saying is people are up in arms and nothing has even happened yet. At least wait and see how it turns out before you go rage quitting.

April 8, 2016, 12:32 am by

Good on you guys xo Love new changes if it helps the site!

April 8, 2016, 12:32 am by

I guess you're more optimistic than I am then lmao. subeta has let me down too many times man.

April 8, 2016, 12:30 am by

I have a minion gallery, and that alone is at 1.6k items. My other galleries are probably close to half way to the non-GA limit as it is. I think this is just bull shit honestly. I see this doing more harm than good.

April 8, 2016, 12:28 am by

What I find most interesting is that unlike many other news/subeta team posts... none of the staff are commenting here to diffuse the situation a little (since we're all going KABOOM over this one) I wonder what that means

April 8, 2016, 12:28 am by

I don't mean to post so many comments but why have almost 80,000 items on the site if you're not allowed to collect them?

Total items in gallery: 10222/73246

April 8, 2016, 12:27 am by

Honestly, this update will have a negligible effect on my site experience here, but even I'm feeling the pain of having two huge achievements (that a lot of people have been working to get for multiple years) retired on such short notice.

April 8, 2016, 12:27 am by

I respectively disagree that anything has been missed. The way it's phrased makes it sounds like they're going to consider increasing the numbers of shops/galleries you can have, not the item limits with in them: "You can have up to 3 shops/galleries, or up to 6 with a Gold Account. We anticipate being able to raise these limits significantly, but we wanted to start off small and increase rather than starting off big and having to reduce it."

April 8, 2016, 12:26 am by

"Will there be a way to move all of my items from an old gallery to a new one? We're talking about this behind the scenes, trying to come up with a solution, but right now there is no easy solution for it. For example, how to transfer an old shop to a new one that is bigger than the new item limits. Or simply how to move the items without killing the database.

We agree that it's a very important issue, and we will come up with a solution that we hope fits everyone's needs. In the meantime, access to your items in old shops and galleries will never go away, even after the shops themselves are disabled."

they're working on a solution for that

April 8, 2016, 12:26 am by

I dedicate my vault to food items and potential treasure chest items... where am I supposed to put all these items? I'm so sad... I spent so much sP and time and effort collecting individual items for those achievements...

April 8, 2016, 12:24 am by

this is some shit lmao! reading the comments is a journey in predictable outcomes.

April 8, 2016, 12:23 am by

I mean, wardrobe limits got mentioned back around the same time shop limits and ending hoarder achievements first started getting talked about, so it's coming down the pipe too. Am I right? (and calling people vulgar names just 'cause they're upset and venting it, is out and out rude.)

April 8, 2016, 12:21 am by

Yes, it was going to happen some point or another - however, the means of implementation are the primary reason why I and many others feel outraged. As things stand now, we will have to move over items to our shops manually. My hoard isn't that large-it's 700 items over the current limit- but they are doing away with the old shops entirely, which means I will have to move all 1700 items (imagine the labor of the 30k hoard people). And we've already been seeing quite a large amount of lag since this announcement. So unless there is a remove all option, as of now I can't find it in myself to like this change. I haven't even broached the subject of autopricing hell.

So instead of calling people whiny children, try and place yourself in their shoes, and you'll see their complaining is justifiable.

April 8, 2016, 12:21 am by

Yes it is very low but it is experimental at this point. For all we know the limit could be raised to 2k per shop. Let's say you have 5 galleries and 1 shop to sell items, that's 10k items you can spread across your galleries and that would be a lot better would't it? Reading the post, they are not even deleting the shops or all the items in them so you will still have all your belongings, you can still look at them like you would your plushie or trading card collections. You can slowly moves things over into the new shops, still have time to organize what you want to display and sell. They are even giving us advance notice now to start going through our things and deciding what needs to move right away and what can be stored.

I prefer to look at the positives rather than the negatives. Yes they are limited shops, but they are still letting us keep all the items we already have instead of deleting them. They are also not deleting the old shops so you can still keep things stored there until they are ready to be moved into a new shop.

April 8, 2016, 12:21 am by

Count me as majorly annoyed. I collect minions, potions, and holiday items. Oh and cash shop collection items... I cannot tell you how much i have spent over the years just to have duplicates of the cash shop items to put in my Collections Collection gallery. Now not only can I not display my entire collection of items in one gallery, I can only have 2 limited places to display items since i need to have one shop to sell itemss in. And my vault is massive already with vending junk that i dont want to collect/display. And there is no good way to see your vault items and categorizing them is very onerous and time consuming. This really bites. and i don't want a gallery that works like the beanbag or plushie collection, because i may want to take an item out of a gallery to use or gift/sell some day. Maddening, frustrating, and depressing.

April 8, 2016, 12:20 am by

...I think everything I want to say has been said already. But this is a terrible idea. If having shops like it is now is such a strain on the servers, why not upgrade THOSE?! With the amount made from CWs and CS items, it really should not be an issue to do THAT. And maybe liquidate the frozen accounts to free up space too

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