Subeta - New Shops - Gold Account Testing

New Shops - Gold Account Testing

April 7, 2016 4:55 pm

Attention, Gold Account users! We have a new feature for you to test--revamped Shops and Galleries!

The user shops and galleries have been rewritten because they currently put a huge stress on our database, and it's affecting the ability of the site to function.

For the new shops and galleries, we’ve set limits for how many items you can have in each, which means we’ll be retiring the Super Shop! and Hoarder! achievements. Currently the limits are as follows: you can have 250 unique items in a shop, and 500 in a gallery. This limit doubles to 500 in a shop, 1000 in a gallery if you have a Gold Account. These limits are only for unique items, you'll be able to have as many duplicates as you'd like.

Your items won't disappear if your Gold Account expires while over the limit, you just won't be able to add any more until you have either sold/removed enough items or have an active Gold Account again. You can have up to 3 shops/galleries, or up to 6 with a Gold Account. We anticipate being able to raise these limits significantly, but we wanted to start off small and increase rather than starting off big and having to reduce it.

Gold Account testing for will be active until 11:59pm on April 16th. The new user shops/galleries will be released to everyone on the 17th. Once the new shops are live, you will not be able to add anything new to your old shops!

On April 24th, all old shops will be disabled. You’ll still be able to remove items from them, you just won’t be able to reprice items or have other users purchase from it.

The Super Shop! and Hoarder! achievements will be retired on the 17th once the shops/galleries go live for everyone.

Information and a link to the new shops can be found here if you're a Gold Account member. will start pushing changes/fixing bugs on the 13th, so keep that in mind as you submit feedback. We will continue to make any necessary changes once shops/galleries are live for everyone to make sure they’re working to their full potential!

We know this will be a big change for a lot of people, but it's a crucial step for the continued improvement and success of the site, and for your overall user experience.

April 7, 2016, 11:08 pm by

If over half the people in here have 5k+ item galleries, then yeah I imagine they're going to start liquidating what items they don't actually want and only bought for the hoarding achievement, why would anyone not sell what they don't actually want unless they don't actually want anything they don't already have.

April 7, 2016, 11:08 pm by

Unless i can auto price all of my different shops i'm upset with this update.

April 7, 2016, 11:07 pm by

In addition to my actually productive comment (see: Pretty 04/7/16 10:40 pm) I would like to submit these images for your perusal:

April 7, 2016, 11:07 pm by

How about you close your cash cow called custom wearable.... since thousands of items have been added into the site in two years Oh wait I forgot, money.

April 7, 2016, 11:04 pm by

if this were to go live, there will be huge deflation. sweet sweet deflation. muahahahaha.

April 7, 2016, 11:04 pm by

I can understand the site performance hit, but wouldn't it be more productive to turn galleries to function like pet treasures rather than running off the subeta shop base code? I absolutely love collecting items for their art and wouldn't mind just reducing them to mere icons. The galleries never seemed to have benefit with the shop format

April 7, 2016, 11:03 pm by

because the problem is already there en masse. you can't fix something by just saying hey don't do that anymore. I understand people vend and quest and restock and generate a lot of items, but you'd be hard pressed to consistently generate a few hundred new, unique items each day.

Furthermore a smart person might think and before autopricing on a new day, search their shop by price and take out items under a certain threshold and stick them in their vault to be replaced with other items that ought to be worth more, thereby maximizing their own profit potential and helping to keep item prices a bit higher and things like vending and restocking more viable.

Certainly this is a big change, and Subeta always hates that hands down, but if people put aside their bias and look at it from a good of the site as a whole perspective, there's not much arguing with it.

April 7, 2016, 11:03 pm by

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Or, this WILL really lighten the server loads, when users start quitting in droves 😦

^This I avoided sites like subeta for years. Six and a half years ago I was talked into joining Subeta because of how great it was (how much better than Neo/Gaia/etc. I've loved my time here and all the friends I've made, but seriously this site just seems to think the best way to fix things is go from bad to worse. I have spent tons of real money on this site even with all of it's problems because I have enjoyed it, but unless things are rethought, I doubt I will be spending any more. And if you think users are being "over-dramatic" than you obviously don't understand your users at all. Seriously, nerfing shops and more importantly galleries is pretty close to the equivalent of nerfing pets. Enjoy the kingdom you're creating, its gonna have a lot of room to breathe when users stop coming in and those that do decide it isn't worth their time to stay.

April 7, 2016, 11:02 pm by

(oh well, I give up, never figured out how to post images in news comments)

Anyway. I really don't care about the limit to regular shops but if galleries are an issue put a limit on how many duplicate items. I don't care about hoarding 100 of a single item. I keep items because I LIKE them??? Including all the plushies and beanbags I actually like. If they'd make it so we could choose the orders in plushie/beanbag collections I would actually use them. I want to see my favorites on the top like with stickers. Not buried under all the other crap.

April 7, 2016, 11:01 pm by

I disagree. You are thinking of only a SMALL portion of who this affects. I truly believe this will hurt subeta as a whole rather than help it. I mean look at the comments if you don't believe me. Look at all the people who are outraged by this. Can you honestly say that over half the people here are going to send their super rare items back into the cycle after this change just because they no longer get the achievement? Endless hours have been spent on these... ENDLESS. sP has been hard earned will be at waste... And you honestly think this is for the better?

April 7, 2016, 11:01 pm by

But my gallery has more than 500 items and I'm not collecting for achievements.

April 7, 2016, 11:00 pm by

So, what reason do I have to play the site anymore, since three days of quests is gonna max out how much space I have in my shop?

April 7, 2016, 11:00 pm by

It's not just restocking, vending, and quests either - it's also holiday items. We get a TON of items during Morostide and Fireside

April 7, 2016, 10:59 pm by

I think I'm gonna quit... the amount of time I spent collecting items and I've only just made it to 10k.........

April 7, 2016, 10:56 pm by

Wow, this is the worst >:(

April 7, 2016, 10:56 pm by

sorry, had to chime in - then why not just get rid of the hoarder achievement instead of limiting the whole shop/gallery size? Forcing users to split up items into different shops/galleries just make user experience less pleasant/inconvenient. You'll be surprised how many people vend how much each day. And about hoarding stuff - I am a restocker as well, but I will still hoard things in my vault.

April 7, 2016, 10:51 pm by

, i specifically said that there are people who won't sell no matter what, in fact to each individual there are probably at least a few items that are such, overall that makes no difference. there are still with out a doubt a lot of people who were hoarding just for the achievement who wouldn't otherwise and some rare items will enter the economy because of it.

April 7, 2016, 10:49 pm by

You can bet your bottom dollar I am not sending my pretties, the ones I worked my butt off to get, back into the cycle. LOL What are you talking about? XD

They said "but it's a crucial step for the continued improvement and success of the site". There could possibly be hundreds of these steps and this is just ONE of many. What else hurts the "success of the site"? TCs? Vaults... Wardrobe? If they are going to be attacking the key features of this site to "improve it" and make it pay to play there as well will you still be rooting them on?

April 7, 2016, 10:45 pm by

April 7, 2016, 10:44 pm by

but day over day you're not getting 500 new unique items and also you can have up to 6 shops. besides which the limit will likely be raised fairly quickly. Eventually things will be added from vault to shops except for people who are actual hoarders and not just achievement collectors.

April 7, 2016, 10:43 pm by

overall my expression is fucking L O L because where's my stuff gonna go? my vault? i could donate the stuff...then it would end up in some other user's account who may just have a hoard in their vault? i could delete my stuff, but ...why? pls im human, i'm greedy AF and i like having obnoxious hoards of pretty things/potentially useful things (ie quest stuff). so. no. bad implementation subeta.

April 7, 2016, 10:42 pm by

because before people were incentivized to hoard by giving them an achievement for it, that's no longer true. certainly some people still will in there vaults, and those are the people that would never ever sell anyhow and really are an anomaly... Otherwise a lot of rarer items got bought up by people who just wanted to fill a unique item slot with whatever and were running out of options..

April 7, 2016, 10:41 pm by

I still disagree. If they're tossing it in their vault, it's because they have nowhere else to put it. And then they're going to have to eventually cycle it out and back into their shop. With vending, quests, and restocking, it's VERY easy to get 500 items in just one day.

April 7, 2016, 10:40 pm by

DEAR SUBETA, PLEASE ANSWER MY PRAYERS:

Add mass remove from shop (in quantities of 100, so as not to explode the inventory).
Add vault search by category (like you can do in a shop, search by food, minion, book).
Add more items that can be fragmented so we can get rid of more items permanently.
Clear away things being hoarded by frozen accounts (it was suggested they take space).
"Sorry-gift" us some Magical Keepsake Boxes to encourage using TCs instead of shops? :D

April 7, 2016, 10:38 pm by

I try purposefully to keep my shop stocked with 1500+ unique items just so that I might be on the top of the shop search often and someone might buy other more expensive things while they're in my shop. that being said, I have a heck of a time staying above even 1k, and I'm a daily quester including BQ's. Unless someone's rotating to a different vending machine each day theres no reason with a few shops that they should ever not have enough shop space. So yes perhaps in the beginning it's what will happen, but people who are tossing into the vault and not selling are the people who weren't ever going to sell to begin with and anyone else is liekly to sell eventually without any incentive not to.

April 7, 2016, 10:38 pm by

''It's a crucial step for the continued improvement and success of the site, and for your overall user experience. '' I don't think arbitrarily restricting features so MAYBE then this pile of crap can hold is improving my user experience in any way but lolk. I hope you plan to raise the limits a LOT because 250/500 is nothing.

April 7, 2016, 10:36 pm by

I really can't express how bad an Idea I think this was. Maybe make the limit 5-10k items? I don't see how 500 is even rational at this point...

April 7, 2016, 10:35 pm by

sorry but how will they be flowing if there's a limit on how many items are in each user's shops? i sure as hell won't be putting rare items in my shop. the stuff i hoarded will stay on my account because I wanted them to stay on my account.

April 7, 2016, 10:31 pm by

i was gonna express my personal/initial reaction to this with a wordy comment talking about my questing habits + my low motivation this week + trying to readjust to even the 100 item inventory limit after my ga expired a few days ago and how this news just compounded all that but literally proving my point i ran out of energy halfway thru and just deleted it im so exhausted right now

April 7, 2016, 10:30 pm by

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no one being encouraged to hoard items

On the contrary, that's exactly what's going to happen when we have such small limits in shops. Things will accumulate in vaults because people run out of shops and shop space.

April 7, 2016, 10:30 pm by

Ahh.. so this is what a trai nwreck looks like.

April 7, 2016, 10:28 pm by

Guess it's time to finally dismantle my shop I've been hoarding items in for years. That Hoarding achievement only promoted bad habits, lol

April 7, 2016, 10:28 pm by

You have a total of 11726 items in your shop (my gallery)... What am I to do with all my cute things??? Set it to 5k. I guess I'll be sticking things in my vault.

April 7, 2016, 10:26 pm by

If we are going to have to reshuffle 1000+ items from our shops, can we at least have a way to do it en masse instead of having to manually remove every item?

April 7, 2016, 10:23 pm by

To anyone who thinks this will be bad for the economy, really it should be much better, no one being encouraged to hoard items so they'll actually be flowing around the site helping redistribute wealth the normal natural healthy way. People who've been searching for years for that one something might actually be able to get it now, and then the person they buy it form is going to have some money to burn, that's all good things :)

April 7, 2016, 10:18 pm by

I think this will be good for the site as a whole. so many are complaining BUT its better the site works so people can be online to buy things out of the shops thank have people with huge shops that make the site broken where no one can be around to buy stuff.

GOOD JOB SUBETA STAFF

April 7, 2016, 10:18 pm by

I hate everything about this. Is this going to lead to limits on how many items we can earn in a day? Lower limits on vending? Less item prizes from quests? Higher quest sP payouts to make up for the fact that there's gonna be less items and thus the items will more than likely end up being more expensive? And that testing period? And the autopricer, will that be adjusted to have one AP per shop per day? Or are you going to expect GAs to split 3000 items over six shops and have to hand price 2500 of them? What about when all those items end up collecting dust in the Vault? Is there going to be a limit imposed on the Vault to prevent that from lagging the site as well? And with the whole making new shops, are you going to carry over our Making a Living and Shop Till Saver achievements? Or are we going to have to start from complete scratch on those? How about a system to make it possible for us to easily move items from old shops to new shops, or are we going to have to do that manually by hand as well with no guarantee we won't have repeats of the Achievements move where people Lost Achievements?

Or you could, idk, get new servers and new code. I get that that's not the cheap option, but at least you'll keep your paying userbase, as opposed to doing something like this which is clearly going to drive people away.

I'll probably just get myself a week medal, autoprice what's in my shop at the moment and then let the shop sit after the date goes past and see what happens with shops in the future.

April 7, 2016, 10:18 pm by

Do you honestly think people have time to move 10,000 items from an old shop to a new shop?

April 7, 2016, 10:12 pm by

this hardly affects me personally since i'm a pretty casual player but it is extremely disheartening to read these comments, many of which i am 100% behind. it's not the first time that people have threatened to leave but it feels like this really may be the straw that finally breaks the proverbial camel's back for a good chunk of the userbase, and that really sucks. i can only hope the suggestions and feelings that have been posited here are seriously taken into account by the staff in the coming hours, days, etc. :/

also everything that said, pretty much.

April 7, 2016, 10:11 pm by

Whelp time to gank my whole wardrobe and shoved them in my hoard shop for the achievements... This is gonna suck with the new wardrobe and its issues.

April 7, 2016, 10:08 pm by

If enough people complain, do you think they'd revert their decision? lol or is this set in stone? Because this is terrible.

April 7, 2016, 10:06 pm by

So basically useless non-fraggable items like Dandybunny, Cube, Nuclear Rave Fish, Comatose Lizard Minions, all the dusts, etc., are going to become even more useless? I don't care if their classification is special, they are way too common for them not to be fraggable. They could at least turn up as items to give to the Recycle Beast.

April 7, 2016, 10:05 pm by

I really hope that you change your mind on this. There's just nothing good about it. I picked a really bad time to come back from hiatus and actually spend money here. I won't be staying or paying, if this goes through.

April 7, 2016, 10:05 pm by

It's about time, can we please please also get the shop till tax to go with this since everyone's going to hate this update who would hate that update, it makes sense to just do it all at once.

April 7, 2016, 10:04 pm by

I feel like making a minion collection (like the plushie, beanbag, card, whatever collections) will help a lot of the people with big galleries. A lot of them seem to be minions. For elixirs, potions, or holiday items, well, idk ... can't please everyone?

I think a lot of people do need to bring it down a notch. It's been said repeatedly, all over the place, that this is the lowest the shops will be. That they are completely planning on increasing the limit.

All of that aside, god DAMN am I happy that I finished my hoard a few months ago. Who wants to buy what I have left? (That's a joke I'm not actually advertising please don't warn or freeze me)

April 7, 2016, 10:04 pm by

Tossing in my two cents about how unhappy I am about this. The shop limit is bad, but if galleries are limited... what is the point of having a collection? I really care about my themed collections and I'm always maintaining / adding to them. I know I'm not the only one, in fact many others spend a lot more time and effort (and real-world money) than I do on their collections. If this change happens, essentially all that work is pointless. Being forced to split into multiple galleries is annoying, and even if you have the max number possible, the limits will be reached very fast given the massive number of items on the site. Even with the vague promise of raising the limits, maybe(?), some time(?), to X-number(?) then what? It's a nightmare, and very very disheartening.

I sincerely hope the staff takes all of these comments seriously, realizes how OVERWHELMINGLY negative they are, and comes up with a better solution.

Or, this WILL really lighten the server loads, when users start quitting in droves :( I don't want to see the site die in that way.

April 7, 2016, 10:03 pm by

Surely Subeta will not cut off its nose to spite its face.........I really think this needs thought through a lot more! This site is popular for a reason.....dont take those reasons away!

April 7, 2016, 10:03 pm by

How is this testing a feature when you've already decided it will go live anyway? Not on board with this update. 500 is almost nothing at all. Horrible idea, hopefully it's obvious from the amount of backlash that this idea has received.

April 7, 2016, 10:02 pm by

They forgot to mention how this will coincide with the removal of vaults. At least they're waiting to reduce the inventory limit to 25 items until next month. Phew.

April 7, 2016, 10:02 pm by

please fix the lag. can't finish quests sighs

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