Subeta - New Shops - Gold Account Testing

New Shops - Gold Account Testing

April 7, 2016 4:55 pm

Attention, Gold Account users! We have a new feature for you to test--revamped Shops and Galleries!

The user shops and galleries have been rewritten because they currently put a huge stress on our database, and it's affecting the ability of the site to function.

For the new shops and galleries, we’ve set limits for how many items you can have in each, which means we’ll be retiring the Super Shop! and Hoarder! achievements. Currently the limits are as follows: you can have 250 unique items in a shop, and 500 in a gallery. This limit doubles to 500 in a shop, 1000 in a gallery if you have a Gold Account. These limits are only for unique items, you'll be able to have as many duplicates as you'd like.

Your items won't disappear if your Gold Account expires while over the limit, you just won't be able to add any more until you have either sold/removed enough items or have an active Gold Account again. You can have up to 3 shops/galleries, or up to 6 with a Gold Account. We anticipate being able to raise these limits significantly, but we wanted to start off small and increase rather than starting off big and having to reduce it.

Gold Account testing for will be active until 11:59pm on April 16th. The new user shops/galleries will be released to everyone on the 17th. Once the new shops are live, you will not be able to add anything new to your old shops!

On April 24th, all old shops will be disabled. You’ll still be able to remove items from them, you just won’t be able to reprice items or have other users purchase from it.

The Super Shop! and Hoarder! achievements will be retired on the 17th once the shops/galleries go live for everyone.

Information and a link to the new shops can be found here if you're a Gold Account member. will start pushing changes/fixing bugs on the 13th, so keep that in mind as you submit feedback. We will continue to make any necessary changes once shops/galleries are live for everyone to make sure they’re working to their full potential!

We know this will be a big change for a lot of people, but it's a crucial step for the continued improvement and success of the site, and for your overall user experience.

April 7, 2016, 8:22 pm by

I, for myself, really like those changes. I barely get huge shops/galleries to load properly anyways (getting 502/504 errors in 90% each time I am trying to visit one) I rather want this damn lag to go than keep "playing" this site as it is now and if those shop and gallery limits will help, I am all up for it :)

April 7, 2016, 8:21 pm by

Some additional thoughts:

Galleries should have different coding from shops, optimized for their different purposes. Also, the sorting features that shops currently have should be added to the vault, because I'd be more willing to store things long term in my vault if I could reliably locate them. Part of why I have so many things in my vault, even things I don't necessarily want to display to everyone, is because it's so much easier to sort things in the shops. There's a dozen different ways to filter items, and it's great. Vaults really need something like that added.

I really hope shop till and making a living achievements are carried over. I'm 300mil shy of a billion total, and like 60mil away from shop til, and I worked hard for that. I don't want to lose all my progress.

April 7, 2016, 8:18 pm by

"Please, don't turn Subeta's economy into Gaia's. I like the Subetan economy, and Gaia's economy is one of the biggest reasons I never bother to log in."

man, this is all I can think about now. I hate Gaia now, all of the money I've put into that site is gone because it's such a bad place to be. I don't ever want Subeta to become that.

April 7, 2016, 8:17 pm by

April 7, 2016, 8:14 pm by

I am also concerned about how quests will play out after this.

If the average user can only hold 250 items in their shop, they are going to stock the 250 items that they think will profit them the most. So items that we use for questing, items that NPCs ask for that we consider "cheap" will not be stocked. That's really going to screw with the economy.

April 7, 2016, 8:12 pm by

That limit is way too low.

Basically this is going to force me to have to buy gold accounts more often. Which is probably the point. Sad really.

April 7, 2016, 8:12 pm by

Shops&galleries are limited AND 502 errors all over. What a great day :(

April 7, 2016, 8:09 pm by

I've been reading quite a few of the comments, and many people are making some very good points. I have a lot of stuff in my wishlist which is already fairly expensive to someone who is only moderately/mildly active like myself. This is going to put the prices of everything through the roof. Please, don't turn Subeta's economy into Gaia's. I like the Subetan economy, and Gaia's economy is one of the biggest reasons I never bother to log in.

Thankfully my more important gallery, which I use to store alchemy ingredients and food I plan to feed to my pet, only has 204 unique items. My other gallery, well.... It only has 378 unique items apparently. I've only been adding to it when I find an item I want to keep, but by now I don't think I'll have much of an attachment to most of those items. I'll never reach the 45,000 unique item threshold in time, but I'm damn well going to try. At the very least, I'll get some of the tiers.

April 7, 2016, 8:08 pm by

Quote from Keith 06/8/15: "Galleries won't have limits, because they'll be spun off to separate pages. That'll make them a lot less stressful on the system than they are now (because those items are included in all shop search queries / item price queries / etc) so they shouldn't need limits." link

I wish. :c

April 7, 2016, 8:06 pm by

Man oh man the 502's I can't tell if that's because of everyone commenting in this post or because everyone is attempting to get started on their 100 year venture to sort through their shops and galleries :/

April 7, 2016, 8:04 pm by

One more thing to say then I'm gonna just gonna go take a walk or something to calm down.

The reason why I LOVED Subeta so much and stayed here for 8 years plus is because the line between the "Gold accounts" and "Reg users" was so small. Most things were pretty even but with more and more moves likes this? It just doesn't feel like that anymore and it's just sad. I don't have any other word for it. Sorry. I miss the site I became a part of and came to love years ago. It seems more and more a thing of the past.

April 7, 2016, 8:04 pm by

I'm not happy with this idea at all as it pertains to galleries. Only 500 items? What? Also, you did NOT give us enough time with this MASSIVE site change. This should have been announced at LEAST a MONTH before. How am I gonna move all those minions to my vault in a few days? This is a huge mess. If I can only have 3 shops, one slot is taken up for like 19% of the minions, one is taken up for my actual shop, and the third is my other gallery (even if I made that one minions too, it doesn't account for my entire collection). So...now what? All of my minions are now just shuffled to my vault. Which doesn't remove them from the server and just makes one more of your users unhappy. idk maybe I'm not quite understanding how this all works.

April 7, 2016, 8:02 pm by

yikes. only way i can maintain my food collection is by turning my one gallery with 5k+ items into OVER 10. i really liked having a lot of different galleries, and 80% of the sp i make goes into galleries. i'm gonna need to find a new hobby on this site or my activity is gonna be waaaay down.

April 7, 2016, 8:01 pm by

The site is already slowing down because of this one announcement ;-; If there's some way this can be done without killing the quest system, I'd like to see it. The thought of monopolies on every item I get asked for is awful. There should at least be a few more months before this gets implemented, so I can bid a fond farewell to all the things I had been planning to buy/

April 7, 2016, 8:01 pm by

The limits are ridiculously low :x I donn't really have a gallery, that's the only part where it doesn't affect me. But as pricing by hand is so tiresoe, I usually throw all my items I get from quests into my shop and then price it when I get my yearly GA. At least make it that we can have 500 or 1000 unique items in there as those numbers would also be better for those who have large galleries. I also don't understand how if I have to stuff all the items in my (nearly forgotten) vault it wouldn't stress the servers as much.

I really hope you'll change a bit of the details once you've gotten some feed back from GA users.

April 7, 2016, 7:59 pm by

This has very little impact on me. I use TC and vault more than I use my shop/galleries. And I pretty much only sell junk that I can't frag anyway so...yeah, I'm okay with this. If I start an actual gallery in the future, I'll just make sure to refine it in a way to fit within the limit.

I will agree that the limits are low, but as long as it'll be reasonably raised in the future, I'm on board.

April 7, 2016, 7:57 pm by

And now the site is moving at the speed of snail. Well done.

I don't even have an issue with limits, but these exceedingly low limits are ridiculous, for GA and non-GA alike. I honestly do not see how limiting the size of shops, thus items, helps when the items will all still be hanging around in one place or another. How does the coding for Vaults or anything else hold up to the new coding? I don't see the difference. It makes no sense. Waiting around for limits to increase could take ages.

No real incentive to spend sP, so you're back to square one with the problem of too much sP or whatever it was in the economy. We'll all wind up hording it instead of items. Did we not think this through? (Ask a silly question.)

April 7, 2016, 7:53 pm by

Oof, can't say I'm happy--even as a casual user, the 250 limit might get in my way, especially since I don't usually have access to autopricing. But I appreciate the transparency.

April 7, 2016, 7:52 pm by

returns, sobbing MY FOOD GALLERY HAS OVER 1000 ITEMS IN IT, WHAT AM I GOING TO DOOOOOOOOOOOOO. takes a few deep breaths Calm down... I can figure something out... maybe two separate food galleries, one for holiday stuff and the other for restockables.... LeTS just aLL TRY not to paNIC. D8

April 7, 2016, 7:51 pm by

The more I ponder over it, the more I am convinced that at least galleries should remain unlimited.

April 7, 2016, 7:50 pm by

This is a very crappy idea, and most of the reasons I had to list have already been stated by others, but I'll add one - it seems like this MIGHT just be another harsh push for people to BUY CSC and support the site. I get why you have to make changes due to server lag and database issues, my husband explained that to me - but to me not allowing one autoprice PER SHOP for GA members since we'll probably have to make so many shops is ridiculous. Also, please increase the limits, 500/250 seems quite low! I love this site but if you're going to keep penalizing us for things I'm not sure I'll be buying a GA anymore.

April 7, 2016, 7:48 pm by

Why not have separate systems for shops and galleries? This is the perfect opportunity to make the gallery experience a lot more fun.

I would love to see a system more like the sticker book for galleries (but with removable items, obviously), where we can order items however we like just by dragging them around.

April 7, 2016, 7:46 pm by

I am in the process of doing the same thing. I'm determined to hit 30,000 since I'm so close.

April 7, 2016, 7:46 pm by

Calm down, everybody!! This isn't as catastrophic as it seems! We'll all just have to think a little more creatively about how we want to display our galleries from here on out to adapt to the new item limits. ... that being said.... I'd better go check and make sure my food gallery isn't going to be over the limit.... tries to walk off casual-like, breaks into a panicked sprint just before disappearing around the corner

April 7, 2016, 7:46 pm by

I get that shops need an update. I totally support that. And I understand that you're starting with a low limit, and you'll increase it later.

What I hate is that you're building a completely separate shop system and forcing us to migrate manually. We basically did the same thing with achievements, where we the players had to run a script to move our achievements, and then go back and check through our hundreds of achievements to make sure we didn't lose any (and many of us did lose some.)

We did it with the forums too, where we had to go back and figure out which of our threads/posts/edits weren't carried over, track them down on the old archived forums, and find a way to move them across.

So now I have a shop with 14,000+ unique items, more than half of which are currently priced (by hand, because the auto-pricer doesn't work on shops that big -- hence the need for a recode). So in two weeks I'm going to lose all of that and have to start from scratch because you aren't trying to find a way to convert the old shops or dovetail the new shop system into the old to make the transition smoother for us.

This shouldn't be our job. You shouldn't put that on us when you have access to the inner workings of the entire database and you're in a much better place to handle this for us. You're literally paid to do this.

I'm so tired of being punished like this every time something gets recoded.

April 7, 2016, 7:44 pm by

Really...? Jesus Christ.

April 7, 2016, 7:38 pm by

Why would I ever care about buying anything to show it off again???? I'll buy something to throw it in my vault? NOT!!! I hate this and may quit playing.

April 7, 2016, 7:37 pm by

My GA recently expired. I'm fairly sure I won't be getting another.

Thing is, I'm not sure you realize how this is going to affect the Subeta economy even doing this in the short run. If a large portion of users quest and vend every day (which I did when I was here full-time), as I've read the other posts, it will take two days to fill up a shop. It will also SEVERELY curtail the availability of items. This, of course jacks the price of EVERY item through the roof. If UserX is the only person with a red ball in the shops, UserX will price said red ball at least at 1 million dollars. When UserY gets one, and autoprices, it, too will be at a million dollars. So, when Sarah asks for a red ball...

I have enjoyed playing here, but I don't have the energy to keep up the work for a GA that isn't worth it.

April 7, 2016, 7:36 pm by

I keep all of my weapons that I'm not currently using in a gallery. Guess I might as well toss those in the big shop too! :) Along with a few thou minions. lol

April 7, 2016, 7:36 pm by

Who the fuck comes up with these kind of ass sucking ideas??!?!?!? I sent PURE CASH for my galleries and now I won't be able to show my items?!?!?! I WANT MY HARD WORKED MONEY BACK, YES, MY DOLLARS!! For every item I spent dollars on to have it in my galleries and I can't show it, I WANT MY MONEY BACK!! You make us want to hate this site? Are you bored and want to quit, but don't wanna look like a loser, so you try to make us quit? Why don't you just let us enjoy what we love?! And I DO want MY money back!!

April 7, 2016, 7:34 pm by

I see many humming power crystals in my future...

April 7, 2016, 7:34 pm by

So... will Autoprice work for multiple shops or is this feature really being shot in the foot?

April 7, 2016, 7:34 pm by

If the coding for the new shops is so much better for the servers, why are the limits so low?

I'm concerned about price stability. If we're not able to freely sell all the items we have, there'll be hardly any of each item available in shops. They'll be so easy to buy out completely, and if you're discouraging hoarding the prices of even low rarity items will never recover. Items that are not freely available will become much harder to get hold of.

But making the limits per unique item, and so low, you're encouraging monopoly of items.

There are so many items on this site, and you flood us with hundreds more in every event. There's no way that such a miniscule limit will be able to provide a stable market for every item.

April 7, 2016, 7:33 pm by

So I have to pull all 1000 of my food items out of my gallery and reclass them into a new game? Well two new galleries.. o.m.f.g. This is the dumbest idea subeta. How about deleting the THOUSANDS of cw items on the site that literally no one uses.

April 7, 2016, 7:33 pm by

April 7, 2016, 7:29 pm by

Something else that has just occurred to me - Does the news post say we have to make new shops (in order to add items to them)? What about users working on the making a living achievements, i.e., having a shop that has 1bil profit? also this will be super difficult now

April 7, 2016, 7:29 pm by

- Right? You could move your armoury too if you don't mind replacing mods :P I only have enough to get to 25k, I can maybe get the 30k one if I really pull all my items into one place, but there aren't any prizes or titles for those achieves, so I'm not that put out if I don't get all of them.

April 7, 2016, 7:29 pm by

I don't want to be dramatic but please do address how this is going to affect the autopricer...that really sucks if it's still going to be once per day over all the shops, because the autoprice feature is the only reason I have a GA.

April 7, 2016, 7:29 pm by

Well, my sympathies for the people that this inconveniences, but I am completely unhindered by this update. 😆

April 7, 2016, 7:27 pm by

eee. like, I hope it's a thing that really needed to be done bc this sucks. I have a gold account for one reason: autopricer. But now if my shop can only have 500 items, I'll have to make and stock multiple shops, which means the autopricer will cost me money now. That makes me sad.

April 7, 2016, 7:26 pm by

GREAT IDEA! :)

QUICK! I'm gonna move everything from all my galleries and shops into one shop so I can get the hoarder before it goes away!!!!!!!!

April 7, 2016, 7:25 pm by

d.u.m.b.

April 7, 2016, 7:25 pm by

It'll be fun to watch the economy tank when they disable the old shops, and we all have to find a way to move and reprice thousands of items.

April 7, 2016, 7:25 pm by

So, I am all for shop limits. I get it. Hoarding is bad and they kill the servers (though, what DOESN'T kill our servers with all our old shitty code). And I know that you are starting small and intend to up the limits. I see that. I get that.

But uh, this execution is piss poor.

10 Days? Yes, this has been thrown around for YEARS. But only 10 days before launch you want people with massive shops to get ready? Not going to work.
250/500 limit? I am sorry, but a 4 year old child could tell you that this was too small. "Hey, I have this normal 8 ounce glass of water. Will it fit into a thimble? No? What about 3 thimbles?" This is just plain a math failure, even for a test period. If you want to start small, I would at least DOUBLE those numbers. I barely ever quest. Nearly never restock. I do not vend at all. Yet I have 750 unique items in my shop. I literally DO NOTHING TO GET NEW ITEMS, YET I EXCEED THESE TEST LIMITS.
Tests work better when you actually test feasible limits. Small is one thing, but you want to at least make sure they work in the feasible/average range. These numbers are neither of those. A better test would still be larger.
You launched this with no ability to mass move items, since this would also cause server problems (no surprise with that). There is no way people will move mass amounts of items in 10 days by hand.
Old shops will be disabled, but not deleted. This is great. But you know what will happen in ten days? Those massive galleries that slow down the site? Yeah, they will STILL BE THERE BECAUSE AIN'T NOBODY GOT THE TIME TO MOVE THEM. And why move it if it can just stay there disabled? So I cannot add to it. Whatever. But that mass hoard can still rot and kill the servers. Problem not solved.

I love the idea of helping the server with shop limits and I have (and will) always support that. But this setup? Legitimately worst execution of a change you all have ever done in the existence of Subeta. Sorry (not sorry).

April 7, 2016, 7:25 pm by

I absolutely do not support this.

I have over 14k items in my "treasure chest gallery" and I like to keep adding items to it - unique items.....and soon I won't be able to.

Do. Not. Like.

April 7, 2016, 7:23 pm by

After daily quests and vending I will always be over the limit. This really sucks ass.

Please tell me our shop stats will be carried over to the new shops? Otherwise I am really going to be pissed.

April 7, 2016, 7:22 pm by

Give a warning freeze my account but i say FUCK THIS BULLSHIT!

April 7, 2016, 7:21 pm by

I am not a fan of this decision at all for a lot of the reasons that people have already mentioned. 500 items is a joke.

April 7, 2016, 7:19 pm by

These limits are ridiculously low. Questing is going to be impacted horribly. :c Plus I'm sad that I only got to 30k.

On the other hand: anyone want to trade gallery items for WL? Comment me if interested. C:

April 7, 2016, 7:18 pm by

This is stupid, I've spent over a billion on my science gallery and have over 1500 items in it, now I can't finish it because there's a limit. Dude seriously stupid idea.

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