Subeta - New Shops - Gold Account Testing

New Shops - Gold Account Testing

April 7, 2016 4:55 pm

Attention, Gold Account users! We have a new feature for you to test--revamped Shops and Galleries!

The user shops and galleries have been rewritten because they currently put a huge stress on our database, and it's affecting the ability of the site to function.

For the new shops and galleries, we’ve set limits for how many items you can have in each, which means we’ll be retiring the Super Shop! and Hoarder! achievements. Currently the limits are as follows: you can have 250 unique items in a shop, and 500 in a gallery. This limit doubles to 500 in a shop, 1000 in a gallery if you have a Gold Account. These limits are only for unique items, you'll be able to have as many duplicates as you'd like.

Your items won't disappear if your Gold Account expires while over the limit, you just won't be able to add any more until you have either sold/removed enough items or have an active Gold Account again. You can have up to 3 shops/galleries, or up to 6 with a Gold Account. We anticipate being able to raise these limits significantly, but we wanted to start off small and increase rather than starting off big and having to reduce it.

Gold Account testing for will be active until 11:59pm on April 16th. The new user shops/galleries will be released to everyone on the 17th. Once the new shops are live, you will not be able to add anything new to your old shops!

On April 24th, all old shops will be disabled. You’ll still be able to remove items from them, you just won’t be able to reprice items or have other users purchase from it.

The Super Shop! and Hoarder! achievements will be retired on the 17th once the shops/galleries go live for everyone.

Information and a link to the new shops can be found here if you're a Gold Account member. will start pushing changes/fixing bugs on the 13th, so keep that in mind as you submit feedback. We will continue to make any necessary changes once shops/galleries are live for everyone to make sure they’re working to their full potential!

We know this will be a big change for a lot of people, but it's a crucial step for the continued improvement and success of the site, and for your overall user experience.

April 9, 2016, 4:50 am by

: Yes please, I'd like to hear your plans about questing and economy after the change as well. Considering a change this big in scale something must have been thought and planned about its impact on Subeta's economy as well.

April 9, 2016, 3:44 am by

I am worried about the economy, for reasons that other users and I have put forward already on this page. I would suggest that BEFORE forcibly implementing this change can staff please also address how they would save the economy when the prices from current shops disappear and everyone can price items according to their own wishes - I honestly do not want to see 10m for a stick of butter ever again - like when the Bakery is first unfolded. But this is likely to happen when the 'disabled' shops and thus their item prices disappear from view when the new shops go live. What about the prices of csc when GA users seem to have so big an advantage over non-GA users? What about common items that nobody wants in their shop but need for their quests? Subeta was not pay to play (which is why I'm attracted to join in the first place), and if that becomes reality I'm sure the site will lose much of their userbase.

There is also a problem of trust here - users want details and more transparency. We would all highly appreciate a TIMELINE of WHEN the shop limits will be increased and how much they are likely to increase to - if more testing is needed to get concrete statistics, please extend the testing period because it's better to have bugs sort out and possible impacts lessened through continuous adjustments during a testing period. This change seems to be in such a rush that nothing is well-planned in advance. Without a concrete timeline your promises will just be empty promises because promises are not set in stone and users have previously experienced disappointments before - there must be some assurance for the users.

Also, please don't repeat that the code has been worked on for a whole(?) month - this is no excuse that there is no official announcement on the news page (which is public and where everyone should be able to see site updates without searching through a particular forum if the change is so important). Also, despite that the code has been worked on for a month (?), if there are flaws in the concept of the code, they need to be addressed before wrecking the whole site in respective ways. It's ALWAYS better to make adjustments earlier then make amendments later, which may then be too late to save the site. I cannot accept 'because we worked so hard on the code we are hell-bent on making it go live DESPITE ANYTHING'.

All in all, as previously said, please open your eyes and listen to what your users are telling you - there is a reasons why users are so upset and angry about this update - please, PLEASE rethink its implementation.

April 9, 2016, 2:41 am by

Only playing for ten months here yet this doesn´t sound like a good idea. If you can´t sell enough items because your shop is too small, how to achieve sP for your various needs? Who buys new items out of your shop anyway when hoarders have to stop and act sensible because of numbers? And I am not even into hoarding yet I can totally see the arguments of people doing that when it´s the main game playing for them onsite.

April 9, 2016, 1:52 am by

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April 9, 2016, 1:49 am by

I am confused,and I agree with others that 500 is so low considering how many items are on the site. Why have all these different items if you cant have them in a gallery. How are we suppose to make money now? I am confused by this???

April 9, 2016, 12:18 am by

Total items in gallery: 37653/73252

yeah, not liking this at all.

April 9, 2016, 12:15 am by

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I JUST REALLY WANT TO ADD ITEMS AGAIN WITHOUT AN ERROR POPPING UP, OKAY

...What's the point of adding more items if users have nowhere to put them?

April 8, 2016, 11:49 pm by

Welp, this is kinda... crappy for people who can't afford GAs...

April 8, 2016, 11:37 pm by

The impact this will have on questing and the economy wasn't addressed...

April 8, 2016, 10:35 pm by

I really, really hope we have the option to view other users shops by Item Id OR by Alphabetical order now.

April 8, 2016, 9:55 pm by

Ah I see. That makes sense. Thank you for the explanation. I was just confused as I have seen replies enabled in the past, but I understand now. Thanks for answering. :)

April 8, 2016, 9:52 pm by

By the way, just to be clear I have no grievances with the Subeta staff personally (so far so good). My previous statement was more directed to the comments of concern from users below me and from things I've seen in the past on this site, and I was being serious. I am interested to see how things play out.

April 8, 2016, 9:50 pm by

I am tired of the line "you've known for weeks/months/years because we mentioned it in a forum post!" A lot of us avoid the forums. I might go months without even looking at them; heck, even during holidays I just silently dance/kiss/shake hands with/give flowers to random people without posting comments.

April 8, 2016, 9:49 pm by

The announcement was locked because we want to keep feedback on the Site Feedback thread, the ideas in Suggestions & Ideas, and the bug reports on the GA testing thread! We’re trying to keep everything as organized as possible (and so people know where to post their concerns/ideas/bugs); the FAQ is also on the GA testing thread but we wanted to make sure everyone could see it, so we did an announcement. :)

April 8, 2016, 9:38 pm by

Wait. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if you have limited amount of storage in shops, doesn't that mean less items will be available for sell which in turn will increase prices for even low rarity items? Which will make questing difficult and not worth the time or effort? And won't it also encourage others to hoard more items in their vaults to use for quests to avoid having to buy price-inflated items available in shops? Another thing, if hoarding is being discouraged, won't people want to buy less items? Which means previous hoarders won't be able to sell their hoards? And in the end won't all the gallery items just be transferred to vaults causing the vaults then to be the root problem of slowing the site? There's a TON more reasons why this is bad idea that I could discuss, but I don't have the time at the moment. Besides, I'm pretty sure it would be nothing more than repeating what the other hundreds of comments below me have already addressed (including those that I did cover).

Bottom line, I am genuinely interested to see how the staff responds to this considering the amount of outraged users and their numerous arguments against why this is not a good idea. It will certainly serve as a great test to see how good of listeners they are to their users. Also, why was the announcement locked? Is the plan to keep all of the complaints and disagreements suppressed in one place?

April 8, 2016, 9:35 pm by

They do have someone working on it and programming it to be better.? they said that already. And the amounts will increase. In a few months from now i'm sure this will be the same old site it is now but with less downtime. Patience c:

April 8, 2016, 9:28 pm by

Man I’m not the best to explain this, but like. Keith and Grace searched through a lot of logs and what not when we’d have a lot of constant 502/504 issues and like the vast majority was because of the database issues for User Shops. I’m highly optimistic that after this, there will be a noticeable improvement to the site (and I won’t have to wake up early anymore to run a script to restart the servers when 502/504’s pop up)! Any other programmer would say the same issue in this case, that the way the User Shop database is setup is just very very bad and would not be doing in modern practice. I did three years of computer science and from what I’ve seen, my professors would cringe (and fail us) so bad; not just because it's outdated, but because of how horrible the indexing etc is for the tables. Grace has been working on this for a good month before we put it into beta testing, so this isn’t just like her writing up the code in two days and trying to push! We’re all doing everything we can to make this work smoothly and make the site enjoyable for all of us! I JUST REALLY WANT TO ADD ITEMS AGAIN WITHOUT AN ERROR POPPING UP, OKAY :(

April 8, 2016, 9:27 pm by

Also like, not pinging you again because I don't wanna spam you, and sorry for double post but if you guys were aware this has been an issue for a long time now, why waiting for the website to get that many errors in order to fix it? It's like you wait for the website to literally crash in order to try to bring it back to normal, when in fact it should be better to just be constantly checking these things and making decisions before things get that bad. At least that's what I think :/

Did you guys make an official announcement about this like, a month ago or something (not just mentioning it as time went by; I mean official by like, setting a real date, so people could prepare themselves, etc etc)? I feel like the decision may have been made some time ago between the staff, but you kinda spread the news to the users like, a week before the changes would be made. I can be wrong though, so please correct me if that's the case.

I would also like to apologize if I came off as rude in my first comment.

April 8, 2016, 9:27 pm by

Any update on whether our Making a Living and Shop Till progress will carry over or if we'll have to start again from 0?
Sorry if this has been answered already but I can't find it anywhere.

April 8, 2016, 9:26 pm by

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be a bitch but as much as users want the 502 errors fixed, I do not think we want them fixed at the cost of having a site that we NO longer WANT to use. Seriously what's the point of having a site up all the time if there is nothing we want to do/like doing left on it?

Saddest part is I don't even think I'm exaggerating. This legit feels like the end. After the Wardrobe is nuked (which may as well be next) the site is dead. All there will be will be forums to talk on but I can do that (talk to folks online) literally anywhere.

Hearing about the SOLUTION, I don't think I am alone in saying I'd much rather have the errors and have a site I love than have 0 errors and have a site I don't even want to visit.

April 8, 2016, 9:20 pm by

So how does this work exactly? There's 708 comments on this, Most of which contain reasons a-z as to why this is the worst idea on the planet and yet you staff are hell bent on implementing it anyways yet when smaller stuff that could actually be beneficial as well gets bawwed about by enough users you guys won't go through with it and push it off to the side like it never existed. So what you guys only take listening to our thoughts seriously when it doesn't really matter? This is a really bassackwards way of running a site :/

April 8, 2016, 9:19 pm by

So does that mean that once it's "blank", if the database starts getting overloaded again, it will be easier for you guys to actually fix the possible errors that may come up with it? Cuz what I feel is that whenever you guys fix something, another issue arises and bam. Gotta remove or alter another feature once again because errors. :I

I still wish though that Subeta would look for a programmer willing to help taking care of this, so the website wouldn't have to go through so many errors and bugs and whatsoever (I wish I could be that programmer but damn daniel, I am ignorant with coding). But thanks for the ping and for the clarification!

April 8, 2016, 9:07 pm by

As soon as we have answers for that, it’ll be put on the FAQ. :) There are still a few things left to be programmed/tested/etc (which is on the GA Testing Thread). The issue is that this should’ve been limited a long time ago. We have to do something about it because it’s killing our database, that’s where so many errors are coming from because the database simply can’t handle how the old code works with it. I’m going to quote Grace again because it’s important:

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A big part of this is that the shops were never designed to hold as many items as they do now. The database tables are badly indexed, and badly optimized for the data they&;re holding, and there is simply too much in them to even try to fix those problems. Starting over from scratch allows us essentially a blank slate without those problems existing in the first place. The new database tables and code have been built with modern practices and will scale better to the amounts of information they will hold.</p>
<p>The reason we&;re doing something about it now is we believe the user shops have been causing huge bottlenecks in our database, and are a major reason for the 502s and 504s of late.

There is no way we can ignore this anymore. I understand there are users that are upset about it, , but we need to fix the issue so the site is actually playable again (because lbr we're all tired of the 502/504s). As we’ve stated quite a few times, the limits will rise (especially once we’ve tested more). We are starting small to make sure all issues are taken care of, isn’t it better to catch a potentially big bug as early as possible before we start increasing things?

April 8, 2016, 9:01 pm by

LOOOOLLL PLS CALL THEM HERE TO FIX ITTT uglysob

April 8, 2016, 8:59 pm by

Hell, I know someone with over 15 years of programming experience who would fix this shit purely so I'd stop complaining about it hahahahaha.

April 8, 2016, 8:55 pm by

I have no doubt about this, but I do believe they could really look for someone who is willing to half time volunteer or something. Like, it may be hard, but look at the size of the userbase. It's not possible that none of these people are programmers that would be willing to help? I can't be 100% sure though. I just wish they would look for someone who at least is 100% sure of what they are doing to the website coding instead of constantly getting rid/limiting features like this.

I worry because I really like it here and I guess I'm just really afraid that people will stop supporting the website due to the recent changes that have not been pleasing users that much.

And I'm aware they have been warning, but I still believe they could have given users a notice maybe like, one month ago, stating clearly that on the day X they would be doing Y changes. Unless they did that and I missed it, in which case I am sorry then.

And yesssss, I wish I had also studied programming because I would be more than happy to volunteer and help out, but unfortunately all I can do is draw and graphic design two. I can also fail miserably at music. LOL.

April 8, 2016, 8:50 pm by

I can post on the new FAQ Thread so I'll have to say it here: It's great that we get some of these questions answered, but there is one answer I still don't see on there that I've seen plenty of users ask here. What will happen to our "Total Sales" and "Total Profits" count? I'm still trying to get the achievements for that, and like many others I don't want to start over again.

April 8, 2016, 8:50 pm by

I'm just saying that the userbase is coming OUT OF THE WOODWORK to say this is a terrible idea, this is exactly what we DON'T want, please fix the other site issues first etc... tons of established users who have been with you since the beginning. It's insane to do this when the entire site is telling you PLEASE DONT, we won't use the site if you do this! This is site suicide if you guys go through with this, and I know there are a lot of people that don't want to see this site die!

April 8, 2016, 8:48 pm by

Unfortunately, "real programmers" get paid way more than what Subeta can probably handle in terms of wages. As great and simple as it sounds to get a professional on the job, it's really a lot easier said than done.

Also, in the FAQ Amber and Grace already stated they've been warning about a limit for years now.

On a side note, maybe I should've gotten a degree in programming rather than graphic design and music education and performance...

April 8, 2016, 8:26 pm by

My point is that when I say "listen to the userbase" I mean, discuss with people before making drastic changes that will make everyone go mad. Yes, it's troublesome, but I believe that if I paid to play or if I invested my money into a website, I would appreciate if staff could talk to us about big plans like this. And I'm not talking about a short notice from months or years ago.

As I said, I'm not a hoarder so this doesn't affect me. But I do see that this is affecting Subeta as a whole. I see that daily goal not being reached anymore. And as a user, this scares me because I dont' want Subeta to go down, honestly. I did see they plan on increasing the number slowly, but this is not a guarantee and we have no idea of how much that increase will be.

And I have no idea how they use their funds they earn, but I do believe that we needed a real programmer that could fix all the bugs that have been going on for years now (for different reasons) instead of going for choices that limit things that may be the reason some/most users come to this website for.

April 8, 2016, 8:18 pm by

Just my 2 cents: I am disappointed that I will not get the Hoarder achievement (still too far away at 33,900 unique items), but it's not the end of the world. It'll actually be somewhat of a relief if I can just be done with that achievement and move on to other things. However, this whole thing demonstrated a lack of planning and very little regard for the community as a whole. I understand that the folks who run this site are young, and that this is probably the only social site that they have had any experience running, but it has been around for quite a while now to have such a major PR nightmare.

April 8, 2016, 8:11 pm by

They kind of are? I mean, Amber and Ariel have been consistently replying to questions and even added an FAQ just to answer some of the more pressing questions.

To be honest, if the usershops are genuinely that much of a resource hog, then I'd rather see something that will improve the site instead of constantly bogging the site down.

Also, Amber's already stated before that the cap number isn't final, that they're still going through the planning, and that this is still in the testing stage, so it's obviously not the final stage.

April 8, 2016, 7:56 pm by

remember when subeta's servers literally couldn't function when there were more than 200 users online at once

April 8, 2016, 7:38 pm by

I’d rather have Grace explain in detail about that instead of giving you possibly bad/incorrect information! I’m replying to everything I can about content/items/etc because those are my area for sure. We’re going to keep updating the FAQ with information as we (ariel and I) get it, so shop till achievements will be addressed and so will the gallery issue. :)

April 8, 2016, 7:33 pm by

I have never once posted on the news board, but I can't really hold it back anymore.

I don't use the gallery/shops much, but judging by most of the users' comments, it's obvious that galleries and shops are one of the most important features on this website. I haven't even been here for too long to notice that you continuously make all the wrong choices and you don't listen to the people who give their money to keep this running.

If you keep ignoring what the whole userbase has to say, guess what? Subeta will probably sink. And I don't think it's too far from that, considering every step you take is just worse and worse every time.

Also, is it just me or the daily goal hasn't even been reaching half of what it should lately? Maybe because you keep shooting yourself in the foot.

I honestly do not understand what staff or Keith are doing right now. Like, can you just please open your eyes and listen to the people who actually pay for this website to work???

April 8, 2016, 7:28 pm by

I think the big question everyone wants to know--and it's the only one not covered in the FAQ--is why aren't galleries going to be separated and unlimited like they were originally promised?

April 8, 2016, 7:27 pm by

Just read the FAQ and I do not feel better at all. I UNDERSTAND why they feel there needs to be limits on shops but their initial number is still TOO LOW (and I'm sorry but the "we SHOULD be able to raise it" just sounds like something being said to silence raging users instead of something that's actually going to happen) but galleries?! So now I don't get to decide how many of what I want to collect? That has to come from the site? When there are legit millions of items? Yea ok no. Just losing more and more freedom on here every, single day. I'm sorry but I hate this. Every day items are added to this site, we should not have to I dunno, sell 1k minions to free up "SPACE" to buy 1k of something else and then rinse and repeat.

Some items are not meant to be "used". I am not hoarding Wizard tokens, or frag crystals, I COLLECT, not hoard COLLECT things like minions, random cute items, rainbows items...so now I'm supposed to I dunno, sell all my minions (oh wait I can't because shop limits!) since once you equip 1 each to your pets they have NO use, and just delete all my other stuff? Because my vault is where I put my expensive things that I want to gift friends later or sell outside my shop. That is the only use it has rn. So what do I do with my galleries? Dismantling them is not the answer. Those things in my galleries are not junk I mindlessly threw in there, it's stuff I worked hard for and put real money into ASSEMBLING so I can show it off. Shoving things in my vault in random order where even I can't see it altogether is not going to allow me to do that.

How can you take galleries away from us just like that and dismissively order us to just "use" the items, items which sometimes HAVE no use besides looking nice and encourage us not to want to display anything anymore when the site as all pet sites are is in a large part about collecting things new and old?!

What if I don't want to frag my items because I dislike everything in the Crystal shop and never find anything I want in there? What if I don't want to sell off my collection because I'm attached to everything I have worked SO hard to obtain and I don't want to bow down to this ridiculous limit which now puts the onus on users to basically "buy" enough space to FUNCTION on the site over and over again till we run out of cash? Tough luck? Is that the answer to that? Too bad? Live with it?

I just can't accept this. This is not the Subeta I know and love.

April 8, 2016, 7:14 pm by

I’m sorry you feel that we don’t want your opinion, . I specifically locked that thread to try to keep everything in one place; the bug reports on the Gold Account thread, any feedback in the site feedback thread, and suggestions in the S&I forums. The FAQ post was done so everyone could see it (on the news page and know where to find it quickly), and it is something we’ll be continuing to add to.

We’re not trying to force you to use items, just thinking of new ways to give items uses! You’re more than welcome to still do galleries, to store things in your vault, etc. Users are coming up with excellent ideas in general for us to do in the future, from Recycle Beast ideas to new collections (which is great for those wanting to show off their goods).

April 8, 2016, 7:12 pm by

Of course there are other means of obtaining csc. I'll first hand admit that sp/csc ratio is really bad right now. Whenever I sell some, I give generous discounts. I was merely pointing out that subeta does not necessarily pocket $50 every time a cw is submitted. In my case, I've submitted over a hundred cws myself (not counting the 2,500+ items I drew on this site) and not one of them was submitted using real cash (:

Concerning the pawn shop, I just want to add that the problem lies much deeper than that. Of course it doesnt help (I find myself guilty of pawning items because I have no patience for buysellcw most of the time) but the largest issue is the lack of user base. We have less artists, less buyers, less commissioners. All of it together is hurting the economy and the value of csc.

Even with a limit of how many items can be pawned per day/week, it would change nothing if the pool of cw buyers is not big enough. People would still be stuck with items they no longer use/want. And then without the (admiteddly) meager csc return from the pawn, they wouldn't even be able to purchase new cws as the current cws/csc/cws cycle runs. Which would put a halt to cws altogether in my opinion.

(By no means am I trying to disagree with you btw! I understand all of your concerns. I just wanted to point some of the things out since I am part of the cw community!)

April 8, 2016, 7:08 pm by

I am not being sarcastic or trying to belittle anyone in this topic, I want that to be perfectly clear. I am literally sorry I even posted here instead of a forum topic because, like I stated before, I do not wish to argue. I do not want to start a fight. If you or anyone else feels like I have insulted or besmirched you in any way, feel free to message me and we can sort this out. I hate texting/messaging sometimes because the tone can be read completely differently in someone's head.

To stay on topic, I too am going to suffer with this as one shop literally has over 6k items in it. I will have to manage. My original opinion has not changed. Do I like this idea? No but if it's for the good of the site I am willing to try it. When or if it doesn't work, then I speak out against it. To just up and quit before anything has even happened is overreacting imo. You have every right to be upset but attacking each other or the staff is not the answer

April 8, 2016, 6:54 pm by

I don't like how on the new announcement they are telling people that they basically NEED to use the items if they are useable. You shouldn't really get to decide what the users do or don't do with the content that you make when it's something like this. Also with galleries, for some people we have themes associated with our galleries. If a plushie or food fits that theme, then we put it in the gallery. We don't want to use it for a reason. Also, for a lot of items I don't want to use them because I like to be able to move them around. I like having the option to do with them as I please incase I need the item later for a gallery or pet treasure chest. Also, as with the case of many items here, I like putting them in a gallery because I like the art to them. I like being able to show them off and have a sense of accomplishment that I worked for something, got it, and now get to display it. This is honestly really an issue of needing to get new servers and working on the coding to make the strain less severe. You'll never get the money for better servers if you try and do updates like this. The daily goal for today should be a good sign of that...

April 8, 2016, 6:52 pm by

I've read the new FAQs, and it seems like the real problem has not been focused yet. On the other hand, some users here in the comments have just pinpointed it. Have you guys considered WHY a whole lot of users love hoarding, or just collecting stuff? -Subeta is FULL of AMAZING items we had the need to collect and/or have just for the sake of owning them. -A lot of people stayed here for 8, 9, 10 years, and packed their galleries/shops in all this time. We DO own a lot of items at this point and can't help it. We've just played Subeta all this time! -The great hoarding achievement & other achievements (books, food...) is the greatest concern - Achievements are not my main goal in Subeta, but a lot of users has been packing for those. Why not get rid of them already? Just give the hoarder achievement to everyone who got half way there. Then you can talk about events about using all that left over junk.

Setting a limit for everyone in the site is not the solution. Please do not mistake COLLECTORS for HOARDERS.

April 8, 2016, 6:46 pm by

Yeah, topic lock on that post = users opinions don't matter. I've dropped a lot of money into this site but I'll never contribute another cent after witnessing the way huge issues are handled.

April 8, 2016, 6:32 pm by

I haven't forgotten about that. However, while there are other means of obtaining csc, they're by no means preferable to spending a few bucks for the convenience of having CSC now, rather than later; especially with limited slots, deadlines and the dreaded # 24hrpawn ping. Not to mention CSC is quickly becoming too expensive now to buy w/SP; having jumped almost 2 Mill within the last six months and I can't see that improving any time soon. Part of the problem is the Pawn Shop. CSC/CW's are being essentially deleted for a convenient pittance of their true worth, only for users to buy it from there at an inflated price. This has lead to CSC being taken out of the community--essentially being deleted--and has caused a steep inflation since.

And while I don't want the stock to be touched right now, perhaps a buying/selling limit over there would help keep CSC within the community?

You shouldn't use apologies sarcastically like that. It does nothing for your reputation and just makes you seem scathing, which you've kind of been. Oh sure, you hide your insulting opinions through politeness and socially required smiles, but that doesn't change the fact that you purposely judged everyone for reacting the way that they do; calling into question why they're reacting with such vitriol when the answers obvious.

Not only is this decision literally game breaking (sorry to repeat myself but it bears repeating,) but hoarding has been the mainstay of this website since the beginning. The only reason we're being forced into this now is because the staff didn't have the foresight to code the site properly back in the day and I can't understand why they didn't. Surely by year three, Keith realized he had a gold mine here so why not put up some proper supports along the mine's walls instead of praying on the balsa wood he initially put up when he didn't know what he was doing?

Also, how is this the sane answer and why is this being left up to the users yet again? This is the second time, within the same year, within four months that subeta's staff has made a mess and expects us to clean it up. Why not just take the site down for a few days to a week and transfer everyone's shit over? Why not play-test with a dummy shop and test these limits out proper? And why not give us guarantees that these limits will be increased to something reasonable within the post itself, than giving us what could be false promises in an off handed news comment section? Hey, how about a time frame while you're at it?

The fact that I even have to ask, should be evidence as to why the users and I don't trust the staff right now. They say so many things and it usually ends up forgotten, or as I said before, takes them years to enact upon it and I'm sorry but if they want this site to survive, they need to up the limits now, not later.

(I say not later as in, don't wait for us to become comfortable but I do expect these numbers to triple by years end. We need/want to hoard, we want to display our collections and really, aside from the wardrobe, what else is there to do?)

April 8, 2016, 6:28 pm by

This is idiotic. What a disappointment. Absolutely no incentive for GA's now.

April 8, 2016, 6:06 pm by

- your count will advance if you go to the "edit shop" page of your shop.

April 8, 2016, 6:04 pm by

lmao wow so the wardrobe is still a broken disaster the site crashes constantly the server is awful bugs out the wazoo

but let's change something no one has any issues with a+++ planning

April 8, 2016, 6:00 pm by

ALSO...In Regards To "The Super Shop! and Hoarder! achievements will be retired on the 17th once the shops/galleries go live for everyone." Does this mean you can't get any of the achievement levels (ie 1000 or 5000) as of right now ? Or will the achie be stopped as of the 17th ? I'm asking because I"m trying to get to 1000 at least and am almost there but my count doesn't seem to be advancing ! Sometimes your announcements can be very vague !

April 8, 2016, 5:55 pm by

also what's up w/ the FAQ announcement topic being locked? considering this is a change that a lot of users seem to think negatively of and there are obviously parts people want 2 discuss, why is the topic that would make the most sense to have this discussion on locked? because lbr news comments are awful to have good discussions/conversations/critiques on

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