Subeta - New Shops - Gold Account Testing

New Shops - Gold Account Testing

April 7, 2016 4:55 pm

Attention, Gold Account users! We have a new feature for you to test--revamped Shops and Galleries!

The user shops and galleries have been rewritten because they currently put a huge stress on our database, and it's affecting the ability of the site to function.

For the new shops and galleries, we’ve set limits for how many items you can have in each, which means we’ll be retiring the Super Shop! and Hoarder! achievements. Currently the limits are as follows: you can have 250 unique items in a shop, and 500 in a gallery. This limit doubles to 500 in a shop, 1000 in a gallery if you have a Gold Account. These limits are only for unique items, you'll be able to have as many duplicates as you'd like.

Your items won't disappear if your Gold Account expires while over the limit, you just won't be able to add any more until you have either sold/removed enough items or have an active Gold Account again. You can have up to 3 shops/galleries, or up to 6 with a Gold Account. We anticipate being able to raise these limits significantly, but we wanted to start off small and increase rather than starting off big and having to reduce it.

Gold Account testing for will be active until 11:59pm on April 16th. The new user shops/galleries will be released to everyone on the 17th. Once the new shops are live, you will not be able to add anything new to your old shops!

On April 24th, all old shops will be disabled. You’ll still be able to remove items from them, you just won’t be able to reprice items or have other users purchase from it.

The Super Shop! and Hoarder! achievements will be retired on the 17th once the shops/galleries go live for everyone.

Information and a link to the new shops can be found here if you're a Gold Account member. will start pushing changes/fixing bugs on the 13th, so keep that in mind as you submit feedback. We will continue to make any necessary changes once shops/galleries are live for everyone to make sure they’re working to their full potential!

We know this will be a big change for a lot of people, but it's a crucial step for the continued improvement and success of the site, and for your overall user experience.

April 7, 2016, 10:01 pm by

Not another Gaia please... this was my refuge FROM Gaia!!! D:

April 7, 2016, 9:59 pm by

Well now I know I will be leaving this site. We all have put up with alot of crap from this site. Lag, SQL errors, 504 errors, 502 errors. So why don't they go in to the system and find all the iced people and remove their items and shops first and see if that helps. This is THE worst damn Idea I have seen from Subeta yet. Screw it I'm done with it. Time for a half price sale in my shop so I can leave everything to my wife.

April 7, 2016, 9:57 pm by

falls over laughing I have at this moment 1,318 unique items in my shop. That's not hoarding crap there, I'm trying to sell it! Unless we have a great incentive for everyone to quest, that crap just sits in my shop and builds up. The only time I really see movement on that stuff is when either Wiz is WSQ or quests screw up and they're reset for double dipping.

And man, if you don't want me to hoard crap in my hoard gallery, give me good way to remove that crap into my vault.

April 7, 2016, 9:57 pm by

With the massive amount of items on the site that people have the ability to collect, I don't see how this is fair to users, GA or otherwise. If there weren't as many items on the site, maybe it would work. And everyone is just going to move stuff to their vaults, which essentially is just moving the problem from the shops/galleries to the vault (are you going to do away with that, too?). In the ten years I have been a loyal Subeta member, I have sat quietly for all of the other massive changes that have occurred because I truly felt they were for the betterment of the site, but this change is taking it a bit too far. I understand the server load, but I also know (from other games) that there are ways around that that DON'T involve limiting the amount of items allowed. I only purchase GAs for autopricing and I don't really see the point of it now, and offering 1000 item slots in 6 shops/galleries isn't a big pull for me to purchase another GA, either. I think revamping the systems would be nice to help with load times and error pages, but this isn't the way to do it. I agree with several other users who suggested alternate collection pages similar to the Stickers and Plushies, perhaps separate collections for Minions, Holiday Items, Retired items, etc. with the option to remove them if wanted.

April 7, 2016, 9:54 pm by

Can't believe I woke up to this announcement. Okay, firstly - what's the point of TESTING a revamped feature of the site when it's going GO LIVE in less than 10 days anyway? When you say testing, you'd think that means at least a sufficiently lengthy period of time because that's needed to see the responses/impacts that the feature would have on the site SO NECESSARY CHANGES CAN BE MADE. 10 days is NOT sufficient at all, and I think I will be part of the majority to say that all users in general needed MORE TIME than 10 days to welcome the change - this is ridiculously short notice and illogical.

Secondly, the limit on unique items is definitely going to be a blow for the economy because users are going to selectively put items into their shops, and what happens when there is a limited supply of items? Prices shoot up. And there you have it - massive, massive inflation. The economy will be a wreck and nobody can do normal questing without paying ridiculous prices for items.

Thirdly, limiting items in galleries is probably the worst decision ever. Many users on this site collect items - they pay real money, loads of sP, and would have probably spent a lot of effort and time in doing so. What this new (or revamped) feature will do is to take away their ability to proudly display the fruits of their labour. Congratulations, you will have successfully put off some users from spending time and money on the site.

Fourthly, that is such an unreasonable limit of items. I am speechless. Even just questing will give you much more than 250 in just two/three days. What about users that also restock to earn sP? So are you forcing us to either fragmentize items/stuff the extra items in our vaults - narrowing the item pool out there and possibly wrecking teh economy in the way? And how would that benefit the site in the long term apart from MAYBE fewer 502 errors?

(I can't believe I'm typing this using my office compute but I need to get my voice out.)

April 7, 2016, 9:53 pm by

I mean I do already try to keep my shop from having too many items, but the number of that limit, yikes. This decision would just cause multiple problems with a bunch of users it's a bit too problematic. : (

April 7, 2016, 9:46 pm by

I am 12mil points from the billionaire achievement. PLEASE don't take it away! I have worked SO hard on it.

April 7, 2016, 9:44 pm by

This is a horrid idea and i don't support it. All it's doing is limiting members and going to cause massive unrest and the economy to inflate to the point members will leave. Only 250/500 shop items?? That's so low. Supporting years of hoarding and then suddenly making a snap decision without even consulting the community to do away with the ability to have large shops and galleries is going to utterly destroy Subeta. Members are going to leave and donations will drop from what I can tell. And only a 10 day time limit?

You must be joking. This is a late April Fools joke. Right? :'v

April 7, 2016, 9:41 pm by

This..... Is freakin' horrible. Aside from sounding like a terrible idea, Im really upset about the low, low numbers and the execution of it. 500 for galleries? REALLY? I have over 2k unique items, and Im a -very- passive collector. I use galleries as a means to organize items I hope to one way move into pet treasures. This sounds like its going to shift the problem, not fix it.

I could rant on about the details, but honestly, its all been pretty much said already. Im genuinely hoping this is some sort of unfunny, belated April Fools prank. Sincerely hoping that.

April 7, 2016, 9:33 pm by

I'm going to bitch and moan, I don't care. Just wait, this will be implemented and the site won't see any improvement whatsoever. Y'know, like after all those other beloved features they removed that never had any positive impact. I did not need to wake up to this. lmao

April 7, 2016, 9:32 pm by

Shop - 1,364 items Gallery 1 - 2,172 items Gallery 2 - 1,543 items Gallery 3 - 5,737 items Gallery 4 - 200 items Gallery 5 - 114 items

Yeah, thanks...

April 7, 2016, 9:32 pm by

I'm so disappointed. :( I came to Subeta specifically because we had the freedom to play regardless of how much we paid. We didn't have to pay to upgrade shop sizes like Neo. Isn't there another way to address server load? At least it means I can save money and not buy a GA like I was planning to this summer. No need to if I can only get 1000 items.

April 7, 2016, 9:29 pm by

Uh... Okay... When motivated, I vend to my 250 limit, and quest to my max limit–typically means everyone but Sarah, and only two NPCs don't give items but strictly currency (Saggi and Wiz). I end up with a lot crammed into my inventory, then shops/wardrobes and the Fragmentizer. I end up with up to 5 pages periodically in just Grave Concotions, and however many unique items can come out of that... 250 is just too low. I don't even have a gallery, just two little shops. This seems like a mess. :c

April 7, 2016, 9:29 pm by

No point in buying GA's anymore to use the autopricer. I expect prices for questing will spike too, so I guess that is out. If I cant make sP to gets things I want,what is the point of being here?

I also liked how Subeta always kept things pretty fair for GAs vs regular account. This looks like a the start of that balance going away,

April 7, 2016, 9:27 pm by

i really like this idea:

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Why not have separate systems for shops and galleries? This is the perfect opportunity to make the gallery experience a lot more fun.</p>
<p>I would love to see a system more like the sticker book for galleries (but with removable items, obviously), where we can order items however we like just by dragging them around.

April 7, 2016, 9:26 pm by

Everyone likes achievements, right? Instead of taking away those achievements that take an immense amount of effort to earn, Instead of stripping us of the vast unlimited lands of minion zoos and elaborate eateries, Instead of forcing everyone to a ridiculously low limit (say bye-bye to quick, painless, questing, guys)...

WHY DON'T YOU JUST CREATE A NEW ACHIEVEMENT OR INCENTIVE FOR IT? For each day you have fewer than 250 unique items in your shop, you get some some ticket or token or whatever to get exclusive items? Giving people a choice would calm, oooh, 99.9% of this backlash.

There has to be a better solution than this.

But congratulations~You just got the "I broke the site with one post!" Achievement!

April 7, 2016, 9:22 pm by

Looks like I'm going to be having to rely on you a lot more, dear Vaultling. pets vault

April 7, 2016, 9:20 pm by

Is this a late April Fools joke?

April 7, 2016, 9:17 pm by

"...but it's a crucial step for the continued improvement and success of the site, and for your overall user experience."

I love how you guys try and justify this, but let's be honest with ourselves;

First of all, you don't even know if this will even BEGIN to fix the mess that is Subeta. You've told us multiple times that this right here is going to fix it, or that over there is going to fix it. Meanwhile us as the user base have grasped at the hope of a website that only falls victim to 502/504 errors twice a year, all while you KNOW you are just grabbing at straws at best. Yeah... I got news for you... the only thing that is going to fix this site is money... which brings me to my second point;

What better way than to reel in those GA activations than hitting the thing that ALL Subeta users need? GOOD JOB GUYS!

I truly feel that this is a slap in the face to all the GA users on here. All we wanted was a few things here and there. Something that actually made a GA worth the price we paid. Like...idk a free name change once in a while or a discount in the MC or CSC Shop. Well looks like we got it huh? Instead of getting something that might be useful we get a nice Market-wide limitation that is going to hurt and reform the Subeta economy but hey... we get that "extra double space" as a perk. YAAAAY~ Nevermind that it was something that ALL members could enjoy regardless of their GA status before.

SMH

You know you forget that a lot of users migrated to this site because of the freedoms this site offered that others didn't. You didn't have to throw your money into a sinkhole to "enjoy" it. They moved to this site because EVERYONE could enjoy it. However, if you guys keep this up, you are eventually going to lose that user base... myself included.

I don't need another GaiaONLINE sinkhole in my life. :

April 7, 2016, 9:14 pm by

I only buy the gold account to auto price.. I won't need that anymore.

I guess I can see the 'why' they are doing this - if it makes the site faster. I see vaults are though going to be overflowed now though.

People with collections will be annoyed and angry, I am just sad - I like hording and was trying for one of every item. Especially since some of my items I have have gown down in price since I bought it - which means a huge loss for me (both in real money and sP).

I will save my judgement for later. Maybe this will make the team come out with something better to make people happy.

April 7, 2016, 9:13 pm by

I am not impressed by the incredibly short notice. I have been working towards the Hoarder! achievement for years, and if I had known this sooner, I wouldn't have used my Masquerade plushies/beanbags/books. I can understand having a limit-- that makes sense. But I don't agree with how close this is being cut. I have 14,134 items hoarded, and would have liked the ability to get as far as I could, but all things considered, that sure won't be happening now.

I've also been working towards the Shop Till Saver achievements, and if those get retired/restarted I will be even less impressed considering how much time I've put into it and how close I am to finishing (217,952,913 sP).

Changes are fine. Changes with adequate notice are fine. Changes like this? No. I never thought I'd say Subeta disappointed me, but I'm sure feeling it right now.

April 7, 2016, 9:12 pm by

I'm not thrilled about this. My book shop alone has over 700 items, and I do not consider that a lot. I have a ton of items in my shop because I seldom have a gold account and it's just not easy to price them all by hand. Having to remove all those items, enter them into a new shop, and re-price them is just going to cause more items to sit around on the server. I -really- hope you reconsider the low item limit and include an auto-import feature to put items into the new shops and galleries.

April 7, 2016, 9:10 pm by

What's the point of a gallery if it's going to be so small? And I already have two shops and only get to autoprice one, and that one has 680 and that's after I haven't done any quests in two weeks. I'm really not a fan of this at all. :(

April 7, 2016, 9:09 pm by

The only joy I get from this site anymore is collecting pretty items for my gallery. I've spend YEARS on it and have thousands of items. I feel like this is nothing less than a betrayal, and it altogether removes my reason for playing. I wish I could get my money back for all of the collection items I've bought with real currency. But hey, at least the site will run better without me.

April 7, 2016, 9:07 pm by

Total items in gallery: 18106. Ugh. So much for my holiday gallery.

Just hire a fucking coder already/recall Keith from his charity coding. Subeta's shit code/server was supposed to be fixed 6 YEARS AGO. And, I thought that Galleries were supposed to be separate from Shops? They are not priced or shown on the Shop Search, so . . . WTF? Why punish galleries too?

April 7, 2016, 9:07 pm by

Thank goodness! Was just waiting for one more straw before giving up my hours of constant page views on this site.

April 7, 2016, 9:01 pm by

This is the beginning of the end for subeta tbh

April 7, 2016, 8:59 pm by

But Keeeeiiiith.

April 7, 2016, 8:56 pm by

I feel like it will be like neopets now. Over priced everything, "buying" shop sizes, etc. I just activated my Gold Account to price over 7 pages of items. So now what? This is silly. I currently have over 250 unique items in my shop as it is. and I have two shops. So do we Just have multiple shops now? I'm so confused.

April 7, 2016, 8:55 pm by

Could we maybe think about implementing these limits and new shops more gradually? I've got over 7000 items in my shop, and I'm not selling 6500 of them by April 24th. I can see not being able to add to old shops at a certain date (further away than the 24th), but give us more time to sell off stuff. And don't start the new shops with such a low limit. Try something higher for a while (2500, maybe, but a lot higher than 500) and then if that seems stable, decrease it some more.

April 7, 2016, 8:55 pm by

That is exactly my concern, as someone who buys old/retired wardrobe items on a very regular basis.

April 7, 2016, 8:54 pm by

AUTOPRICES SHOP WITH 32K ITEMS IN IT

BREAKS SITE

MY BAD. SRY.

April 7, 2016, 8:53 pm by

You can easily get over 150+ items daily from just questing. This 250/500 different item limit doesn't seem like it would be enough. Items will never sell fast enough.

April 7, 2016, 8:51 pm by

Okay so this just occured to me. There are a lot of users who have been inactive for years and are likely to never return to subeta again who also happen to have lots of older items in their shops. After the change we won't be able to buy those items from their shops anymore right? Doesn't that mean that tons of items will just be frozen basically? Nobody will move or buy them, they'll just sit there quietly? Also if everyone has to move their items to new shops to be able to sell them and we can't buy from old shops anymore, won't there be 0 of each item in the user shops when the update goes live? Meaning massive, MASSIVE inflation and impossible questing, for a while at least? I was just thinking of an item that only one person (inactive) had in their shop and I was forever deciding if I should just buy it because it was almost 20mil. There are probably tons more items like that, so do they just disappear? I may not be understanding things completely so this could make zero sense, I'm sorry if that's the case.

April 7, 2016, 8:51 pm by

wow....cheapest idea ever. lets take from our users instead of getting better servers!!!!!

April 7, 2016, 8:50 pm by

Wow, so many more people collect minions than I thought. That's kind of awesome. :'D

April 7, 2016, 8:47 pm by

Nice way to get people to buy gold accounts.

April 7, 2016, 8:47 pm by

This is absolutely ridiculous. There's very little to do on this site as a regular activity, other than collecting items. Chopping the limit down to that tiny amount is going to completely remove so many people's motivation to use the site. I have 2,000 items in my gallery, and I'm not even THAT active of a collector. This is a really terrible idea, and there have to be other ways to address system load than by completely destroying your users' experience.

April 7, 2016, 8:43 pm by

Collecting clothes for my Gallery was one of my BIGGEST hobbies on this site. I kinda want to cry.

April 7, 2016, 8:42 pm by

So, hoarding galleries aside, what about this of us who have cohesive galleries (like potions, elixirs, etc) that exceed this limit... Breaking a once cohesive collection into more than one, occupying "real estate," as it were, to make room for said collections. My own personal gallery aside, this is ridiculous. How is creating more, smaller, shipped going to help?

April 7, 2016, 8:42 pm by

Easy solution for me --don't expect me to spend my money here because I won't ever again.

April 7, 2016, 8:37 pm by

WTH! With all the vending/restocking/hoarding/collecting that people do on a daily basis, are you kidding me?! 500/250 is a very VERY low number. EVEN as a start off.

Have you forgotten how huge the item directory is? Vending/restocking/hoarding/collecting is such a major part of subeta and now you're putting limits on it too. You might as well start deleting items because a lot of them are not gonna have a home. Through everything this site has been through, majority of us die-hard subetans have stayed and made it through every crash and update. But now it's getting ridiculous.

And here, having a gold account doesn't even really make a difference. I mean at this point is a gold account even worth it? Not to mention GA prices will probably inflate. Cmon subeta, can we please find another way around this problem!

April 7, 2016, 8:36 pm by

Oh goodness. I'm cringing. I totally get you guys needed to rewrite it. But...that is so going to hit hard. I've been collecting pretty things for years and if I can't put more than 250 items in a shop I'm Officially screwed. I earn sp by restocking on holidays and selling it over time. This is going to hurt. Big time. Hoping for the best case.

April 7, 2016, 8:35 pm by

This is one of the WORST announcements I've heard in a long time! I was getting close to finishing my hoarder but to hear that we can only have a certain number of items in a shop at one time is a NIGHTMARE, rehoming over 2900 minions will be a disaster let alone having to shift items from shops to the vault for storage. I don't know if this has really be well thought through at all. One very unhappy camper!

April 7, 2016, 8:31 pm by

This doesn't even make any sense though. If the shops are the source of the problem because we're all going to them so frequently or because of the amount of items in them, then how is this going to solve the problem when we all put our extras in the vaults? We're just going to be switching where we put them, not the amount we have or how many times we access them. I use my vault. I use it a lot. Now I'm going to use it double the amount I would have because I'm going to have to sort everything out any time I get anything and make sure it's all in the right place. And then there's the issue of questing and inflation, this is going to royally screw up the economy. This isn't going to relieve the problem, if anything it's just going to cause more problems for the playability of the game. This is just so much work being put on the user for very little, if any, reward.

April 7, 2016, 8:31 pm by

"On April 24th, all old shops will be disabled. You’ll still be able to remove items from them, you just won’t be able to reprice items or have other users purchase from it." Has this been added or did I just not read it? You must be kidding! Some people invested time pricing all that stuff. And how are we going to make money from then on? What were you planning for our time management?

I thought I simply wouldn't be able to price items or put new ones in my shop, but it will be useless and I will not be able to sell anything? From now on we will have to decide on a specific 750 items that we can sell? What about all the other stuff? Maybe you should retire most everything then.

Quests and vending give out items, quests need items,... I don't know, how this is going to work. I see utter havoc in the future. And I see people quit, quite honestly. This is a huge thing to change. I don't know. I guess you should at least let the old shops "run out".

April 7, 2016, 8:28 pm by

I make most of my sp from restocking. 500 items is not enough at all. :c

April 7, 2016, 8:27 pm by

I'm being exceedingly polite in stating that this seems very poorly planned. As many in the comments have already pointed out. I don't feel that the developers of this site are looking at the 'big picture' of the site.

Yes, changing the shops and their coding will fix one of the server lag issues and needs to be done. However, what issues will it create instead when it is implemented in this manner? Most of the people who have large shops and galleries ( I myself have a minion gallery with over 2700 unique items and a regular shop with over 1500) are going to automatically move all of those items to their vaults. Then what? Things will just lag in a different way. What will happen with questing when the items needed are not available in the shops? Or are only available at triple or quadruple the price because only a few people have them?

I work with testing a computer system for a major travel company. Before it is put into the actual system we spend at least a month testing out all the possibilities of what the change could cause in a test server. Is this not something that you all have? I was fairly certain there is a test server as I think I've helped test things before. Were these things taken into consideration? It doesn't sound like there has been much testing of this before hand if the shop/gallery numbers are starting out low and 'might go up later'.

April 7, 2016, 8:23 pm by

Ok so now what am I going to do about my Minion and Advent Galleries? Some of us do put our yearly advent items into galleries for safe keeping or some such.. I hope this does not mean Vaults will have a limit soon.. if so well I fear that would wreck most of the user base here.. it would be nice though if we had some gallery feature that lets us store one of an item and have different gallery categories for just one place... but that is wishful thinking.

April 7, 2016, 8:22 pm by

Guess the migration already started, given the 502 errors all over the place. o_O

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