Subeta - New Shops - Gold Account Testing

New Shops - Gold Account Testing

April 7, 2016 4:55 pm

Attention, Gold Account users! We have a new feature for you to test--revamped Shops and Galleries!

The user shops and galleries have been rewritten because they currently put a huge stress on our database, and it's affecting the ability of the site to function.

For the new shops and galleries, we’ve set limits for how many items you can have in each, which means we’ll be retiring the Super Shop! and Hoarder! achievements. Currently the limits are as follows: you can have 250 unique items in a shop, and 500 in a gallery. This limit doubles to 500 in a shop, 1000 in a gallery if you have a Gold Account. These limits are only for unique items, you'll be able to have as many duplicates as you'd like.

Your items won't disappear if your Gold Account expires while over the limit, you just won't be able to add any more until you have either sold/removed enough items or have an active Gold Account again. You can have up to 3 shops/galleries, or up to 6 with a Gold Account. We anticipate being able to raise these limits significantly, but we wanted to start off small and increase rather than starting off big and having to reduce it.

Gold Account testing for will be active until 11:59pm on April 16th. The new user shops/galleries will be released to everyone on the 17th. Once the new shops are live, you will not be able to add anything new to your old shops!

On April 24th, all old shops will be disabled. You’ll still be able to remove items from them, you just won’t be able to reprice items or have other users purchase from it.

The Super Shop! and Hoarder! achievements will be retired on the 17th once the shops/galleries go live for everyone.

Information and a link to the new shops can be found here if you're a Gold Account member. will start pushing changes/fixing bugs on the 13th, so keep that in mind as you submit feedback. We will continue to make any necessary changes once shops/galleries are live for everyone to make sure they’re working to their full potential!

We know this will be a big change for a lot of people, but it's a crucial step for the continued improvement and success of the site, and for your overall user experience.

April 7, 2016, 6:34 pm by

well, didn't pay attention to the 3/6 limit. That's really absurd. 6 shops would be fine for everyone, I guess. But the gallery limit is too low. As I said, a gallery should be able to hoard at least 1 of each item in Subeta, but 10k would be a nice start. That could work separate from shops, because... well, you don't need 2 galleries, there are categories you can create.

I'm not a GA user, but this is an obvious fail. So please at least put this suggestion (or a best version of it) to be considered: making shops and galleries separate, so users can have X shops, but 1 gallery with up to 5 (or 10?) categories. And (if it's possible to do that with the code) when you click to move the item to a gallery, you go to another page like the "pick the shop" one, where you chose the category to move that item.

April 7, 2016, 6:34 pm by

I am with the others I have a minion gallery that I have enjoyed adding to, a place where they can all be seen together, my subeta event gallery will be pointless now too it would seen

April 7, 2016, 6:33 pm by

...nope, I can't get behind this change. I understand that limiting user shop stocks would help alleviate some of the strain on the servers, but this seems like an awful way to go about it for the actual userbase.

Just doing a full run of quests can easily result in 50-100 items - with these limits, a regular user questing frequently would end up with a full shop within days, and even a gold account user would have a full shop in less than a week. Add in restocking, vending, random events and games that can give items as rewards, and that limit is just way too low. Items that aren't specifically in demand at the time (like new releases or wizard tokens) usually don't sell very fast either, so it's not like that daily stock will deplete very quickly most of the time either. Being able to have 3 or 6 shops won't alleviate this, either, it'll just take a little longer until there's no space left while adding unnecessary managements issues (potential duplicate stocks, keeping track of each shop's stock, having to manually price multiple shops for regular users). Stock limits that low will probably end up encouraging at least a few people who'd normally spend their time doing things that would earn them items (particularly restocking) to stop bothering with that if their shops are full or close to full, which may be good for the servers (less pages to load and all) but definitely won't be good for the site's activity.

Retiring the Super Shop!/Hoarder! achievements makes sense in light of the limits, but this is far too little time considering those are long-term achievements. There's virtually no way for anyone who'd been working toward these achievements but didn't have them yet to get enough items for them by the 17th, unless they were already extremely close, which feels... a little unfair, frankly.

Leaving old shops/galleries accessible so we can remove items from it is appreciated, but for a lot of us, manually clearing out our stock one at a time really isn't feasible (or at least, not within a reasonable amount of time), especially since items currently have to be removed one at a time. Even at just 1-2k unique items, that'd take ages - to say nothing of the people with upwards of 10k. For shops, waiting for everything to sell out isn't necessarily feasible either, as that can take a long time for some items (and, in the case of regular users, would require manually pricing everything first if they haven't done so, which leads to the same problem as having to remove everything manually).

Please reconsider this, or at least look into increasing the limits significantly and into providing a better way for users to remove their current shop stock. As it is, this change is likely to do more harm than good (especially for regular users, and those who can't afford a gold account year-round), and going by the other comments here, I'm far from the only one who feels that way.

April 7, 2016, 6:32 pm by

Hahahahahahaha. April Fools Day was last week. You're kidding, right?

April 7, 2016, 6:32 pm by

Also, if I'm understanding this bad idea correctly, my current store will be useless? I'm going to have to BUY another store and move my items for sale over there? Can you not see how utterly stupid and destructive that is????

April 7, 2016, 6:32 pm by

Honestly...I'm getting really tired with seemingly every feature on the site getting tied to GAs in some way...every time a site feature gets revamped, you have to pay to actually get to use it to its intended full potential, and especially in this case it just widens the gap between the things users can do and things people who pay real money can do...this change in particular is so pay-to-win it hurts :/

April 7, 2016, 6:31 pm by

I'm glad so many others are agreed that such a low limit would be a pain. Even if they raise the amount later, that wouldn't help the amount of work needed to move everything when the update comes out. I'm a very recent account and I've been working towards my hoarding achievement, but I can't imagine what the older, 2006-2007 regulars will have to go through.

And to the people crying out "you're just against updates!" sometimes updates will actually hurt people's willingness to play. And people playing is what keeps this site alive.

April 7, 2016, 6:30 pm by

You have a total of 102646 items in your shop Total items in gallery: 29392/73246

That's just my main gallery working towards the achievement. Is there ANY other way to speed up the site? I enjoyed collecting towards the achievement and have spent YEARS working on it and LOTS of RL cash. I like displaying my collection. I have other galleries and shops as well. I don't want Subeta to become a full time job trying to maintain my capacity limit. I've been playing for ten years, and I have acquired ten years worth of stuff that i'm proud of and attached to. Where are all these items supposed to go, dumped in a vault, and now I can't keep a full themed gallery? Why split it up? It loses cohesiveness.

I barely have time to finish some of my quests, restock some, and keep up with whatever event is running each day. Are you going to up the number of quests to sell off some of the items clogging the database? I simply don't have the time to price everything new every day. And why on earth would I spend money on more items that I can't put in my gallery? What will I buy with the sP from those items? I'm clearly not supposed to be getting more things. This is a really harsh implementation after YEARS of ENCOURAGING hoarding!! Sorry Subeta I've been with you thru thick and thin rarely complaining, but this, I can't abide. It feels like a slap in the face. Maybe if I'd been playing for 6 months, but a decade of acquisitions…that was a very large part of my fun on the site, maintaining that gallery and striving to complete collections. I feel very lost right now.

April 7, 2016, 6:29 pm by

I'm so dissapointed right now, I can't deal with it. So many gallery plans going down to the drain.

April 7, 2016, 6:29 pm by

Okay, I never comment on news updates, no matter how stupid the new features are, but this is a bit too far. This is entirely unfair. If you're going to do this, let us autoprice multiple shops per day. I have 1,415 items in my main shop that I autoprice daily, and that's a fairly low number for me because I haven't vended in weeks. If you do this, I'll have to have 3 shops just to hold these items, and I am NOT paying an extra 100 csc to auto price each of them daily. I would not be buying a gold account if not for the autopricer. I hope this is a belated april fool's joke, though trust me, it's not funny.

April 7, 2016, 6:29 pm by

1000 items? And only if I pay for it? Really? I collect food items...there are way more than 1000. :(((

April 7, 2016, 6:28 pm by

There's no way that's going to work. I can't afford a GA, and I've already got over 500 unique items in my shop :/ This feels extremely unfair and limiting for users on-site who can't afford a medal.

April 7, 2016, 6:27 pm by

Not going to touch this today as both people and site be freaking out, however, a few thoughts (may have aready been suggested/mentioned)

Shop size limits I get, searching and all that. Could galleries be separated from shops to allow different usage?
Autopricer - once per day for each shop would be fair if we have to split over multi-shops.
If a shop is full, needs to be clear which of our other shops IS available for stock.
Mass 'transfer to' option would help this transition for many folk.
Glad we are likely to 'up' the limits for these.
Shop Till achievement - love to try and keep this, we could have 'my shops total profits'.

April 7, 2016, 6:26 pm by

I agree with the point brought up. I know I won't keep junk items in my shop with a limit that low and even if I'd make a shop for junk items I'd always prefer autopricing more valuable items. I really hope that limit doesn't hurt questing.

April 7, 2016, 6:26 pm by

I think these numbers are proof that the staff do not play the site as regular players, and actually have no clue about quests, items, and shop purchase frequency. Even if the limits will be raised... How much? Why are you starting so low? How long will people have to fight the initial limit? It's just disastrous.

April 7, 2016, 6:25 pm by

No. No. No again. Just NO! Collecting is frankly my main reason for being on this site. Right now my hoard stands at 30,864 (28,999). 1001 items and I'd be done. Now you're telling me I have to SOMEHOW find the time to move all of it to my vault? You mind telling me why I should bother to STAY on this site and keep buying things from the Cash Shop? Hmmm?

April 7, 2016, 6:25 pm by

I was happy with my hoard in my vault. It only moved due to achievement. Hoard, return to the abyss.

April 7, 2016, 6:25 pm by

Not sure about the shops changes...

BUT if we are going to be doing all our hoarding in our vaults, can you please expand the search option to at least be the same as shops have now? Otherwise finding particular things in the vault will be a nightmare! And a search by rarity would be awesome too.

April 7, 2016, 6:25 pm by

I feel sick...

April 7, 2016, 6:24 pm by

I think there's also an additional problem no one's addressed here. This will make questing significantly more difficult in ways not intended. Not only will items gained from questing be unable to be added to shops for selling since they'll be over the limit, this means others won't be able to access those items. The total number of items sold will go down, probably driving up prices and making it difficult to find items for quests since less people will be selling them. This will change price margins and availability during questing a loot, and why bother with something so potentially difficult if you can't sell the items you'll get from it anyway? Just some food for thought of how this will affect the economy in other ways.

(This coming from someone who religiously quests every type every day and makes all their money from quests)

April 7, 2016, 6:24 pm by

No, just no.

If I wanted to store them in separate places, I'd have done that by myself. The point of a gallery (to me anyway) is having them ALL together. But if this ridiculous idea goes through which it looks like it will, I guess that's better than shoving them all in my vault. Still not happy about it but thanks for the idea. I appreciate it.

April 7, 2016, 6:23 pm by

I currently have 10 shops which I had to pay for. Will we be compensated for those shops?

Will gold accounts(at least) be able to autoprice more than 1 shop daily?

Items (Unique) 230,954 (34,401) sigh

April 7, 2016, 6:23 pm by

I just looked and saw my selling shop has over 2k items and all I do is quest. Oh man lol. I don't have time to manually price the 80 something items I get a day from quests so I just put everything in the shop, wait a few months, get a gold account, and autoprice. I just really don't understand how a website that has a huge feature about collecting items can put such a low limit on shops. Surely there must be a different solution to this. Something that can be done about categories in shops? I honestly think more people here like to collect items than spend time doing thing with their pets

April 7, 2016, 6:22 pm by

Would it be too much to ask for a 'select all' toggle in the old shops? Temporarily to clean them out more easily. o:

April 7, 2016, 6:22 pm by

14,060 items (1,921) unique

I'm very unhappy now.

April 7, 2016, 6:21 pm by

This makes me very unhappy -- you've had these achievements around for ages, and I've been diligently working towards them, and now you're pulling the rug out from under me -- negating the value of the effort that I've put into them.

Very bad move.

There are other solutions. Really. For example, since hoarding involves putting things in a gallery far more than taking things out, structure galleries around the "Quick Stock" page (where things go in), and not around the "Edit Items" page which allows for pricing, deleting items, categorizing items, etc. Limit access to the Edit Items page, similar to how the Autopricer is limited. That would ease access to the database without pissing off your long-time hoarders.

April 7, 2016, 6:21 pm by

@Cresenta well. Minion Gallery 1, Minion Gallery 2, Minion Gallery 3... But really, 500/1000 is really low for galleries.

Btw, that Minion Zoo would come handy with this revamp, it's taking ages for its official release.

April 7, 2016, 6:19 pm by

I've never been one for hoarding in my shop, simply because I can't be bothered to move everything from my vault to my shop. Also because of this, I don't have pages and pages of stuff to price in my shop. Most of the time I have 2 pages and under to price.

That being said, I am bothered by two aspects of this: the achievements and the number of shops/galleries, especially for a regular user.

Might I suggest that the hoarder achievement be switched over to the vault? That way it's still accessible just on another part of the site. At least then we could keep one of the two achievements that are retiring.
Although I understand why GA users get better perks, the quantity limit of both items and shops is absurd. Regular users get a max of 3 shops at 250 UI each. GA users get 6 shops and 500 UI each. That means if a user ONLY gets shops, a regular user can only sell 750 UI at a time, while a GA user can sell 3,000 UI at a time. That's a hell of a difference. AND, if you do end up raising the limits, this is just going to get progressively worse.

Overall, don't really care except for the ridiculous GA benefits

April 7, 2016, 6:17 pm by

Well... I'm glad I'm not a hoarder lol Not happy about the achievements being retired... Even though I'll never get any of them. But not un-okay with this change.

I just think that a gallery should be able to have a limit of (at the very least) 10k unique items. Even with that limit, a person that collects clothes aside the WR would have trouble creating 2 galleries.

April 7, 2016, 6:14 pm by

This is unreasonable. I barely even carry that many items in my shop. But that's insanely low. 250, I mean really. & Nobody cares to address the autopricer. Unbelievable.

April 7, 2016, 6:14 pm by

I may as well throw my two cents in here - I currently have a shop with ~2000 items, which will more than likely be over the GA 500 unique item limit. My gallery has ~4500 unique items in it, all of which I plan to sell as the Hoarding achievement is going to be removed. If I do quests and vend every day, my inventory is just going to fill up with items that I can't put into a shop or gallery. I understand this is pretty important for site performance, but questing and item gathering is basically all I do right now, as I'm collecting sP for stickers. Reducing shop size is an unwanted decision.

April 7, 2016, 6:13 pm by

Darn link!

Subeta userbase at the moment.

April 7, 2016, 6:13 pm by

Hello Vault, my old friend I've come to fill you up again Because of servers softly creeping Left me in need of a place for keeping And the shop that was filled to bursting Still remains With all the revamps of... Subeta

haha. I remember moving all my crap from my vault for those shop achievements years ago. Took days. Recently, I removed a bunch of my extra items to autoprice and sell. 15k items in all. Took days. Now? I've got 14k (2k unique) in one, 40k (20k unique) in the next, 1,500 (400 unique) in one collection, and 140 darkmatter in another. I think they can just stay in soon-to-be unusable shops. I'm sorry that I was able to collect this much junk in 11 years of playing. I'm sorry that there are so many, many items on site. : P

April 7, 2016, 6:13 pm by

Nothing for the Shop Till Saver/Making a Living yet? If we have to restart, I would at least like to spend it now if won't be transferred.

April 7, 2016, 6:12 pm by

Um.

I think I'm going to have a problem with this change

April 7, 2016, 6:12 pm by

Wow this is....very upsetting to say the least.

Even just thinking of what this means for my minion gallery that I have been adding to for the last ... 8 years. Yea my brain hurts. What am I supposed to do with all of those guys now? I have around 2k. Stick them in my vault? Where I can't display them as was the intent behind getting doubles of all those minions just to have a copy for my gallery?

Not happy about this change at all. So now basically I have a lot of wasted SP on a gallery that will not longer be a gallery and about 2k items that I have no idea what to do with. Putting them in a vault won't let even MYSELF see them altogether as a collection, they will be all over the place so yea...-_- Great.

April 7, 2016, 6:12 pm by

9 years of collectin' minions, and I won't be able to display them anymore... Not even thinkin' about my other shops... :( I work full-time and have a household to run... I don't think I'll have the time to sort out everything, so there goes all my time and effort... I'm so upset I'm not even sure what to say... :'( I've spent so much real money and time here... I know that in the big picture I'm nothin' to this site, but it sucks to have the site make you feel like your effort and time are worthless to them...

I sure do hope that this works out better than it's lookin' at this moment... :(

April 7, 2016, 6:11 pm by

So, after spending tons of nps on my gallery now I'll have to take it down, wow.. just.. wow. I don't even have words, I'm too angry right now.

April 7, 2016, 6:10 pm by

I'm super unhappy about this. Hoarding virtual items is my jam and having unlimited shop space was a HUGE reason I've stayed this long. I love my galleries. I really hope you can reconsider this.

April 7, 2016, 6:10 pm by

This is something I'm not going to look forward to... :(

I have five shops right now, and all of them are well over the limit. Plus, one of the galleries is an ongoing holiday gallery, which I want to put new items in as they get released for the holidays. If we're limiting things, why do this for the galleries?!

Also on a side note, I can't autoprice every time I need to, so I'll have so much crap that won't get sold that I won't know what to do with it.

Please reconsider what you're doing, Subeta... You're going to lose members because of this...

April 7, 2016, 6:10 pm by

The Subeta userbase right now.

April 7, 2016, 6:10 pm by

Oh, I read that. However, I get the feeling that limit will raise when the site gets a complete rehaul, when our wardrobes function fully and correctly, when the Minion Zoo is an actual part of the site and fully functional. In other words I'm bitter about the low numbers and given the track record I don't foresee anything being done quickly.

April 7, 2016, 6:09 pm by

We should be able to autoprice more than one shop a day then, it's only fair.

April 7, 2016, 6:08 pm by

This is a change I'm really not happy about. I like to do all of the quests whenever possible, and any items I don't want I put in my shop and autoprice. I only have one shop, and that's the only way I ever add things to it. But with all of the unique items I get every day from questing and the fact that they may not sell immediately, I'm almost always at least over 500 items in my shop. I don't think I've ever gone over 1000 items. But so now I'll have to set up multiple shops just to fit everything in? Wouldn't it be easier/less of a strain to instead have an option to have 1 shop with 1500 items than 3 shops with 500 items? I would really prefer that. Also, as has been mentioned by other people - since I may be forced to split up my items across multiple shops, will I get an autoprice for each shop daily? Also, if I'm going to have to remove every item from my current shop and move it to a new one, there needs to be a faster/easier way to mass remove items from shops.

April 7, 2016, 6:08 pm by

continued-

to have wardobes this large. What's next? TCs? The vault, itself? We're not meant to have sP, we're not meant to have items. What are we MEANT to do?!

April 7, 2016, 6:08 pm by

Throwing my hat in with the others who are unsure about this update. My shop is pretty small since I stopped having as much time to quest, but I remember having upwards of 500 unique items in my shop when I did have the time--and that was without any vending or restocking to go along with it.

April 7, 2016, 6:08 pm by

This move is going to damage the economy in less than a week... :( How can we be sure that from now on many rare items that inside the galleries will not lose their value? many people will just throw them into their shops because they have nothing to do with them now..

Also, what's going to happen to items from inactive user's shops?? delete forever? it's a waste of items. Maybe think about throwing them into the donation corner and to bring some unavailable items into the system??

April 7, 2016, 6:07 pm by

Additionally to everything said up until now: This REALLY sounds like you're shooting yourself in the foot here. I mean, think about what people do on petsites: interact with the community, havie neat looking pets, fight with said pets, have collections, have galleries. Collecting items and displaying them in a gallery is one of the MAIN things many people do on pet sites. Hell, the main point for many people to do quests and restock is probably so that they can buy items to put in their galleries! Why would people stay around when the main reason they joined Subeta is limited in such a way? Why would anyone quest/restock if in the end, spending the sP you earned on things makes no sense?

April 7, 2016, 6:07 pm by

April 7, 2016, 6:06 pm by

Whoa whoa whoa. My Yume gallery at 456 and my Shrine has 776 but that's not even complete. I mean I can move, but well, then I'll just totally have to give up and possibly start over with categories cuz OMG all the moving and that's not even taking into account my hoard at ALL. Just my normal galleries ;_; panics My HOARD!! and I don't even have the achieve yet but hoard, yes I do. It was all in my vault before. Back to vault? marbles lost

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