Subeta - New Shops - Gold Account Testing

New Shops - Gold Account Testing

April 7, 2016 4:55 pm

Attention, Gold Account users! We have a new feature for you to test--revamped Shops and Galleries!

The user shops and galleries have been rewritten because they currently put a huge stress on our database, and it's affecting the ability of the site to function.

For the new shops and galleries, we’ve set limits for how many items you can have in each, which means we’ll be retiring the Super Shop! and Hoarder! achievements. Currently the limits are as follows: you can have 250 unique items in a shop, and 500 in a gallery. This limit doubles to 500 in a shop, 1000 in a gallery if you have a Gold Account. These limits are only for unique items, you'll be able to have as many duplicates as you'd like.

Your items won't disappear if your Gold Account expires while over the limit, you just won't be able to add any more until you have either sold/removed enough items or have an active Gold Account again. You can have up to 3 shops/galleries, or up to 6 with a Gold Account. We anticipate being able to raise these limits significantly, but we wanted to start off small and increase rather than starting off big and having to reduce it.

Gold Account testing for will be active until 11:59pm on April 16th. The new user shops/galleries will be released to everyone on the 17th. Once the new shops are live, you will not be able to add anything new to your old shops!

On April 24th, all old shops will be disabled. You’ll still be able to remove items from them, you just won’t be able to reprice items or have other users purchase from it.

The Super Shop! and Hoarder! achievements will be retired on the 17th once the shops/galleries go live for everyone.

Information and a link to the new shops can be found here if you're a Gold Account member. will start pushing changes/fixing bugs on the 13th, so keep that in mind as you submit feedback. We will continue to make any necessary changes once shops/galleries are live for everyone to make sure they’re working to their full potential!

We know this will be a big change for a lot of people, but it's a crucial step for the continued improvement and success of the site, and for your overall user experience.

April 7, 2016, 7:16 pm by

Haha. Never thought i'd actually agree with you about that either. ;|

April 7, 2016, 7:15 pm by

I hope you have thought up a way to organise quickstocking, so each item will go into the right shop automatically. Nobody can be expected to have to check were which item is stocked before adding more of the same to the respective shop.

April 7, 2016, 7:13 pm by

This is a horrible idea that might drive many users away. Plus, if we don't get one Autoprice for each shop, wouldn't that potentially REALLY drive people away from buying Gold Accounts? I mean, what do we got for having a Gold Account? Autopricer, decreased Training Time, decreased time between playing games, an extra forum, Beta Testing, being able to put more items on your human avatar, vending more items, pet leash, sending more items through the gift center. Autopricer, as well as vending, are basically useless with this update, aren't they? Why get 250 items a day from a vending maschine if you can barely even stock that many? Wouldn't this lead to people just keeping all items instead of going through the trouble of selling them? Honestly, I'll probably stop using buying Gold Accounts if these changes to the shops are permanent.

April 7, 2016, 7:13 pm by

We have to create NEW shops?? Why can't we just have our current shops and galleries be upgraded to the new format?

April 7, 2016, 7:09 pm by

But what about the people that have recently joined the site? They will never be able to get the achievement. As other users have previously said, why is is the solution to limit the number of unique items in the shops? I don't think the solution is a good one, and I would much rather the site be a tiny bit slower, where I get to keep my things where they are. Besides, the site isn't running that slow that I can't do quests.

April 7, 2016, 7:07 pm by

Well, I'm rather thrilled that you guys finally figured out what was causing the site errors! :) I have a lot of items too & it's gonna be a pain to reorganize, but this is motivation to do just that.

April 7, 2016, 7:05 pm by

Get better servers instead of taking away features that have been working FINE for years! Everytime you tell us it's necessary and it's never enough cause the servers keep getting crappier.

April 7, 2016, 7:04 pm by

Don't mind me while I bog down the site moving everything from my wardrobe into my shop to get more hoarder achievements. This is definitely the best action to take in response to this. It's totally what you wanted, right?

April 7, 2016, 7:04 pm by

I definitely had similar thoughts when I first read this. Economy is all about moving money, and this will severely slow down the flow of everything. There are going to be huuuge effects to the economy from this. I also make most of my money from questing but if the number of items on the market suddenly decreases people might not be able to afford questing. Then prices will drop when there's no demand...it'll basically be a giant roller coaster of an unstable economy.

Overall I do understand the reason but the limits are just far far far too low.

Maybe rolling this out in phases instead? :/ Getting rid of those achievements could be a first step. Get rid of that incentive and you'll stop some of the bigger hoarding.

April 7, 2016, 7:03 pm by

I cannot read all these comments. Maybe you could just add a note, where we are meant to put our items, once the shops are full. The initial amount of shops/galleries were 4, so 3 is even less than before the option to buy as many shops as we like.

Also, if you had put a 6 months wait time or the like, but changes will happen within 9 days? This is crazy!

April 7, 2016, 7:03 pm by

Ok. So. After YEARS of ENCOURAGING SHOP HOARDING with several achievements for unique items etc, you are just NOW deciding that A. Not only that this won't be encouraged but B. You will basically be punishing people who enthusiastically collected items for these achievements?

I can sort of see where maybe you could limit it to say shops that have 200+ of HUNDREDS of items? But in cases like unique item galleries this seems really really really short sighted.

Also, REMOVE ALL NEEDS TO BE A THING ALREADY!!

April 7, 2016, 7:02 pm by

Guys, just wait until after this is put in before making massive dumps with your items! They did say they'd raise the limits as this is just testing currently. Don't do something you'll wind up regretting with a knee-jerk reaction! :)

April 7, 2016, 7:01 pm by

500 items isn't enough. I'm not a hoarder be I still can't make people buy the things in my shop fast enough to clear it out. So I've consistently got 700-1,500 items post-sale. I think lower limits should be 1,000 minimum for reg shops.

April 7, 2016, 7:01 pm by

I don't support this.

April 7, 2016, 6:59 pm by

I'm still letting all of this sink in BUT... I'm pretty sure that we were assured, a few times when this was first being tossed around way back when, that gallery limits would be something like 'quite a bit' larger than shops. My understanding was that galleries are less strain than shops because they're not viewed as often and not priced, etc.

Shop stock will be easier, at least easier-ish to cut down on over time, because it will be consumed. But tons of users have galleries that revolve around onsite items or events or things they love that have been built over years. They represent time, dedication, care, $$$. And now we're supposed to...?

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We anticipate being able to raise these limits significantly, but we wanted to start off small and increase rather than starting off big and having to reduce it.

That doesn't make me feel super comforted because I've heard that exact thing before about other adjustments :P

I think I might just sit back and let others figure this one out. If I can still remove my gallery items after the old system is disabled, I'll probably wait until then to mess with it and figure out how I'm going to do it.

April 7, 2016, 6:58 pm by

oh wow yea and what about autopricing only once a day? are you going to extend this to "once a day per shop" since we now have to break our shops up (some people already do but I only have one so I can AP all my shit at once) sooooooo yea what is going on with that

we pay for AP but you are limiting our abilities to use it this is very conflicting

April 7, 2016, 6:58 pm by

scrambles to finish hoarder SCRAMBLES SO HARD

April 7, 2016, 6:58 pm by

I have many problems/questions about this (I'll try and be brief)

Most importantly - the lag isn't even that bad??? I'd rather have the odd day where the site is /completely down/ then mess up how I use this site so drastically. What about wardrobes? (I have 15k+ wearables that I treasure dearly and represents about 8 years work) Vaults? Why have we had so little warning about this? I don't think vague allusions of "one day we might scrap the 45k achievement" 2 years ago is enough for anyone still working on it?? Why is this the "solution" and not... buying more servers??

April 7, 2016, 6:57 pm by

I have 562(unique) items in my shop at the moment, and even that is over the limit. I'm really not sure how this is going to work

April 7, 2016, 6:56 pm by

There are a lot more hoarders on this site than I realized. Oh boy.

April 7, 2016, 6:56 pm by

Oh dear, even without autopricing it's not very difficult to have 250 items per shop... And galleries? I am speechless. I have 5,782 unique in my gallery (for non common items). What to do?

Ok ok, I understand (and believe many of us also do) that unlimited shops/galleries may be quite stressing to the DB. I get the shops being more limited... but not the low limit on galleries. This would simply transfer all the stress unto the Vault, the poor already super laggy Vault. Where would we put the thousands of items we wish not to sell (or no space on shelf to sell)? The overburdened Vault! Where would we place the thousands of items that would otherwise be shared among a few places? The Vault! Where we can't easily choose how many of a thing we wish to remove (eg: 3 of A, 2 of B - only 3 of A and B). Where searching and filtering are lacking. Poor laggy Vault. Though i guess it, being personal, it does not require as much DB power.

Please at least increase the starting limit a little bit (500/1000 and 1000/2000?), if a limit must be implemented. Sure you "may" raise the limit eventually, but meanwhile many subetans with more then 250/500 and 500/1000 items will be forced to remove items on day one if they wish to add/change anything.

sigh Guess I am finally going to load thousands upon thousands of items to the gallery before the achievements retire. Then remove them again. Only 13k items in Vault, easy! facepalm Also forget categories, am not taking 18k+ items one by one.

And Wardrobe is still a half-broken mess. Oh joy!

April 7, 2016, 6:54 pm by

Just moved everything to my shop to try and get it cleared out before the limits come in and... Items (Unique): 6,465 (5,358). That's a lot of unique items I've got right there.

April 7, 2016, 6:53 pm by

This is a very poor way to run a business. I mean you do know that this is a business right? Where people pay with their time and their money to come here and enjoy themselves. You've lost the big picture of why this site can be fun. I've read countless news articles that you have posted over time and I sit back and think that you have no idea how to run a successful website that is fun. You continually shoot yourself in the foot and then wonder why the site keeps going down, why people keep leaving and why nothing ever seems to get accomplished. I don't use this term very often but these decisions are just simply "stupid". What is the point of having all these interesting items over years of releases if we can't buy them, keep them and look at them? Do you not get that? Do you not play your own game? Why offer these things to just rip them away at a later time? Why promise to fix things and then never get back to it? The site is broken and so is your vision.

April 7, 2016, 6:52 pm by

Total items in gallery: 38890/73246

Can't even put into words how upset, frustrated, irritated, etc. I am. :(

April 7, 2016, 6:52 pm by

SHOPGATE 2016

Honestly this sounds awful. But I guess the limits will be increased... eventually.

I just really would rather not make more shops. Handpricing 500-1000 items x # of shops? Incoherent screaming I have too REAL jobs.

April 7, 2016, 6:51 pm by

Considering other pet sites are able to handle many times more items than the limits proposed here without issues, I'm quite sure the number of items isn't the problem here. It's a crappy coding that's plagued the site for years. Limiting the number of items anyone can sell at one time just looks like the easy way out.

April 7, 2016, 6:51 pm by

"You have a total of 33128 items in your shop"

-burns shop down to collect the insurance sP-

April 7, 2016, 6:51 pm by

You're not serious about this are you? I've still got close to 40,000 items in my hoard, I'm not going to spend every minute of time I have to spare moving things around. And where am I suppose to put them? In my vault? My shops are all over this spiffy "limit".

Not a fan. I realize that doesn't matter but I'm saying so anyway.

April 7, 2016, 6:50 pm by

The limits are low, that is problematic. All I need to know is that the Filled Wardrobe will never gain new tiers and I can start clearing out Wardrobe Storage like a champ. Because that sucker is clocking in 12k+ in unique items. I mean, my life's work while on Subeta has been filling that gallery...but...whatevs. I could really do with that SP tbh.

April 7, 2016, 6:50 pm by

I don't know if I've ever commented on a news update, but this update is both needed and ridiculous. Obviously the site needs limits on gallery/shop sizes for unique items. I get it. To echo something that's been said multiple times here and on the Beta Testing thread, galleries should be separated from shops. The only alternative we currently have is to dump everything into a vault, but unless that suddenly comes up in the shop search saying "You have this item! Would you like to remove it from your vault?" questing is going to become a huge pain in the ass.

I've got a little over 2.5k unique items in my gallery, mostly holiday and retired items. I'd like to have themed galleries for those things, but with the current limits, that's just not going to happen. It's something that I WANT to do. In my regular shop, I currently have over 1k items. I normally have well over 500 items that I get from vending, questing, and very minimal restocking. There are vending limits in place already, and I don't want to see those be reduced even more because I LIKE vending. It helps me make more sp from quests and can turn a nice profit depending on the WSQ.

When I don't have a loyalty totem GA, I pay for one. I like to support the site. Unless autopricing is for EACH shop or does all of your shops at once, I really don't think there's a point in buying CSC in the future. That's hands down one of the best features of a GA. The limits for non-GA members are ridiculously low. You can get that many items from just a couple days of questing, especially if you don't have the time to sit down and hand-price every item in your shop. This change seems like it's just going to alienate users, GA and non-GA alike. From questing/vending today, I got close to 500 new items. On top of the 600 or so I had in my shop already that haven't sold since I autopriced last. If I separate vending, questing, holiday, and RS items into separate shops, I'll still have overflow into my two remaining possible shops and no real option for a gallery.

tl;dr Agree with the need for this change. Do not agree with the current limits. Galleries should be separate from shops. Vaults should be revamped so they're actually useful when doing quests.

April 7, 2016, 6:49 pm by

I need a click all on page in shops like in vault or its going to take a lot longer. Weeks

April 7, 2016, 6:48 pm by

Are you freakin' kidding me?

Well time to just start shoving crap into my vault.

Not happy with this one at all.

April 7, 2016, 6:48 pm by

Currently on my phone SO NOT READING ALL THE COMMENTS BUT As someone who is going after the hoarder achievement and asked for retirement on this, that's totally fine. However, as someone who has an actual gallery, 500-1000 items is very limited. There are more minions than that alone. A gallery should have a max of 5000 unique items imo. I don't want to make ten galleries just for things I like (the clutter UGH) I understand not wanting to have to lower the amount later if you started out too high but with how slow things get done on the programming end of this site, we might never see an increase so why even start small because it will probably stay that way forever OTL

On top of that, how do you suggest those with massive shops or galleries (say for the hoarder achievements) to sell everything if they choose to? Removing items from a shop/gallery currently is hell. And if the old shops become disabled, what happens? Remove 20k items by hand just to sell them in different 20 shops that we can't actually have? I don't understand.

THIS NEEDED WAY MORE OF A WARNING IM JUST SAYING

April 7, 2016, 6:47 pm by

I'm all for changes to the shops, especially if it's in regard to being able to do "Select All" and mass move items out of shops PLEASE GOD PLEASEEEEEE, but the shop limits are definitely way too low and I really hope that they do eventually increase them. It's a pain as it is trying to make money, and this just = less money for me since I'll have less stuff in my shop (especially if you can only autoprice one shop at a time for free).

Regarding the shop limit, what am I supposed to do with the rest of the crap I want to sell but can't fit into my shop? Throw it into the mess that's my vault? I'm fine storing stuff in my vault, but the lack of a mass move feature to vault categories makes organisation really hard when you have thousands of items.

April 7, 2016, 6:44 pm by

I just will be fragmenting instead of selling stuff under 20,000 SP!

April 7, 2016, 6:43 pm by

I'm having a difficult time understanding this solution. If the goal is to lessen the strain on the servers by restricting the number of items in one place, then won't you still have the same issue when people move all of their items into the vault once they have nowhere to put them all because of the limitations? I might not have as large of a number of items in my gallery as others (about 5,500), but I certainly won't be able to make even a dent in that under the new system, and that's assuming I give up the shop where I sell items. So where are the other 3,000+ items I have supposed to go? I'm not going to get rid of them.

Aside from the vault, the only other option for storage that I can think of would be pet treasures, which can become very costly very quickly. This also makes me question if there will be similar limitations put on pet treasures at some point in the future, which I would also be opposed to.

In the 9+ years I've been playing on the site, I've seen many changes, some of which I didn't enjoy, but was able to grit my teeth and adapt to them eventually. This is a change that I can say with certainty I cannot stand behind. While it's too late to gripe about the sudden dropping of the bombshell in this news post and the limited time we have to scramble and retrieve our items, I believe user suggestions should be taken into account this time, such as the minion farm idea and the mass removal option. Otherwise, based on the overwhelmingly negative response in this thread, this could very well be the nail in the coffin for the positive relationship from a good chunk of the user base. I would hate to see such a thing happen because it can lead to the slow death of a website...and I truly love Subeta and the sense of community I've found here. :(

April 7, 2016, 6:42 pm by

Are you kidding me??? I have worked my whole 10 years here on my Supernatural gallery.... it's got over 1000 unique items. I don't want to split it up. This is so not cool, NOT cool at all...

April 7, 2016, 6:41 pm by

That's not nice, you have to bring the minion zoo for all the users then. Many of us hoard our minions in galleries

April 7, 2016, 6:40 pm by

Well to be fair, since so few items will be priced at all, stuff will sell a lot quicker and inflate. So your shop would probably sell out (mostly every day).

April 7, 2016, 6:39 pm by

I wouldn't buy a gold account just to have a few more days of questing's worth of items to store, only to run out of space again.

April 7, 2016, 6:39 pm by

Oh and I would test around but it's really annoying. I mainly use the shop search while questing and I can't just click a button for the new system, so...I'm out? Can we please have an option to remove the large "Hey, GA users!" bar?

April 7, 2016, 6:38 pm by

On April 24th, all old shops will be disabled. You’ll still be able to remove items from them, you just won’t be able to reprice items or have other users purchase from it.

So I don't actually need to anything with my current gallery then? I can just leave it and get my items out as and when I need them?

I don't think this is too bad then, I'll just start putting everything new in my vault from the 24th. I think the proposed limits are too low though.

April 7, 2016, 6:38 pm by

Even if I start with 0 items in my shop, I do all my quests, that's easily ~100 items (yes, unique.) in my shop of my 250 limit. Even if I did autoprice, I guarantee that not even half of the items will be bought by the next day, in which I'll have another 100 items to add. So considering I would still have over half of yesterday's, I would have more than what I'm allowed after 2 days. Surely there's another way to improve the site's functionality, because this isn't it.

April 7, 2016, 6:37 pm by

I've just checked my regular gallery and apparently I have 3000 items there. This is gonna be "fun".

With those new limits, are we gonna get the same advanced filter and search options for vault that is currently only available in shops? The filtering is the sole reason why I store my hoarded items in galleries at all.

April 7, 2016, 6:36 pm by

Noooooo, I'm so close to getting the Hoarder achievements! D:

April 7, 2016, 6:36 pm by

I hear you there. I only get a one week GA once every 21 days (when my pets come out of the resort), and I've tried to start a new hoarder gallery that is from items that I can restock or win (like Lifelike dolls, items from Hustler, and fruits), and it's already nearing 9k. With what Subeta's planning, I would have to give up questing altogether because I wouldn't be able to place anything in a shop because I already have six old shops with unlimited amounts in them, but none with items well over 100 of a single item (like I've seen when questing for some NPC's). What they should do is put a limit on how many of one item that you can have in a shop, say like maybe 50 or so of an item... because I've had it when I've been trying to buy items before from certain shops how it'll lag because they have 100+ to sometimes over 1k of a single item in the shop, not counting other items, which would lead to 404's and other errors.

Even if they DO implement this, who's to say that this'll fix the errors and/or the database? For all we know, it might make things worse for the users.

April 7, 2016, 6:35 pm by

I think just from the feedback on this proposal/post alone, the Subeta team can't seriously still go ahead with this?!

April 7, 2016, 6:35 pm by

This is so not cool. I've spent my 8 years on Subeta dreaming about those achievements, and there's no way I have time to play enough in 10 days to finish them up. I get that it puts a lot of load on, but this system doesn't seem fair at all, especially with the Gold account factor being put in.

I really do get both sides of the argument, but this doesn't feel like the right solution, sorry.

April 7, 2016, 6:35 pm by

wow am I glad I sold my 17k unique item gallery a few months ago! I would've been so close to the 20k mark just to be hit in the face with this bullshit!

with a change this huge you guys really should've given MONTHS for people to plan.

April 7, 2016, 6:35 pm by

Everything you do on this site encourages us to hoard. Then you pull this. What's next? Limit the wardrobe?

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