Iridescent didn't make a statement about the importance of the matter, ; they made a statement to the effect that posting to change.org was an extreme response. Compared to the protest tactics used in the 60's, an online petition is a mild response. I said nothing about the relative importance of the causes.

Keep on hating, if you must, but weak-sauce barbs like that don't serve anyone.

Well I think there's a huge difference, something as important as civil rights demanded more extreme actions. A petition isn't in itself extreme but for a change on a pet site, it might be a bit further than most people feel comfortable with.

Yes, yes, yes. That's exactly the point. You have to break some eggs to make an omelet, as they say.

Look at this thread -- it has ten pages of responses, and is still on the front page after being a week old. We haven't achieved our goal, but we've already prompted an extraordinary event yesterday with more please-log-on-these-are-limited-time-offerings! incentives than I've ever seen in a single day before, and a tripling of the previously-announced limits even before the beta-testing period has ended.

How many of these things would have happened if we'd confined our displeasure to posting in the site feedback thread along with everyone else? I guarantee that if we hadn't stated a specific date -- April 15 -- for an organized symbolic protest, that yesterday's Day Of Remarkable Swag wouldn't have been so grand. We gave them a date to focus on, and they responded.

We upped the game in a way that you might not be "comfortable with", but we didn't do anything violent or permanent, and I've made it a point to acknowledge and respond to every one of the haters in this thread. (Doing so kept the thread alive, which was a goal of mine, but it also reflects my commitment to inclusion: you and delsomebody and the other counter-protesters certainly can't say that your voices have been ignored in this thread.)

Absolutely I trespassed outside people's comfort zones. That was no accident.

As far as I know, food day was a preplanned event. Your goal of getting limts removed on galleries just isn't realistic at this point, and the limit being raised yesterday wasn't because of the feedback, limits are being raised because that was the original goal of the programmers and they are raising them on their own schedule.

You just mic-dropped on basically throwing a tantrum over infrastructure in a game on that don't matter and were going to change regardless of your actions. The staff said they already had the food theme planned anyway for Friday when someone asked about the timing on the Carrot thread.

And hey, if you wanna see my own impact on the site, check out my own thread here in Gen Discussion! I got a President of Subeta endorsement from Sagitarrius himself!

Anyway, I said the sun set on this bad boy, but I hear an encore. Who am I to deny the fans?!

According to a comment by Amber yesterday (I can't link directly to comments in news posts), they only started planning it "about a week" ago. I can't prove anything beyond that, as I'm not privy to staff discussions.

But you've been here for nine years: when was the last time you've seen the token, crystal, and cash shops update on the same day, along with a free gift and a new battle challenger? When was the last time they had a single-day battle challenger that wasn't related to an ongoing summer plot?

If all that's a coincidence, it's one hell of a coincidence.

you know what else happened about a week ago? the shop change, and their push to give items some more use. ideas about changing hunger, the entire idea for a food day.

I think the idea for a food day was fun, it may be something they do again in the future for other types of items too. I don't think seeing some users threaten a walk out on a day will provoke them to plan an entire themed day. I think it would have happened no matter what.

National Minion Appreciation Day. That's the one that stands out because was hilarious in the news, but I'm sure there have been others. :P

Right! It's just that seeing someone throwing tantrums missing out because of misplaced outrage is a juicy bonus. At least for me it is. It's about enjoying the little things in life, really.

EDIT: In all seriousness: I'm getting a little flippant in my responses cuz I'm mad hungover, and I apologize for that. But for someone lauded for being non-dramatic, you're starting to insist you've somehow made history here, claiming victory, and are invoking comparisons to 60's era walkouts and riots. That's pretty...dramatic.

Grelca made it clear that these protests, while making it apparent some users are EXTREMELY passionate about their galleries, had zero impact on what was already in the pipeline. And that being cap raises. If you look at the beta testing thread in the GA forums, stress tests and tweaks have been happening this whole time in that direction, regardless of the outrage generated here.

At this point, it's becoming increasingly self-important and disrespectful to the staff in general. Thinking that you've somehow swayed the plans they already had laid and thinking you know what's better for the site than they do? I dunno, man. I acknowledge your passion, but maybe it's just overall better directed somewhere a little more meaningful in the long run.

The only thing that I can say about the matter is that with or without this new change, we will still get 502/504 and lags. I do have a gallery (I wouldn't call it an hoard as it sits at more or less 1k items in duplicate). I respect both sides so I'm on the fence. I do welcome the change because some people are still confusing shop hoarding with a gallery.

I think the errors will still be possible after this so I'm in the same boat as . I'm very happy the limit was raised and of how coincidental it was for it to be announced on the 15th. Yes i knew they were going to adjust the limits...yes i knew already that they stated it awhile back. What i'm saying is its funny they dont wait until the 17th to announce it and do it on the day of the walk out. xD

Anyway, I don't know how things went but I assume it went okay since they were so many announcements in a single day's news as if to bring users back online. I did my part and stayed offline. I still like to think we made some waves around here no matter what others try to say.

thank you for getting many users involved. I'm happy to have been a part of this and that you have been brave enough to face the drama in this thread.

tl;dr: It's okay when grelca spins her version of events, but not okay when osterizer does it.

I didn't see grelca's quote, so I don't know if you quoted her correctly -- but "zero impact"? I'm not saying that we had "100% impact", but I think any fair-minded person would say the truth lies somewhere between 0% and 100%.

Why, for example, did they choose Food Day, and not Food Weekend? The 15% Cash Shop bonus is a weekend event; the bonus quest is a weekend event -- but they chose to schedule this for a single day and not an entire weekend, and they chose Friday to be that day.

Now that might be a coincidence. There are other single-day events on Subeta. Elwood Day was the 1st, and we remember how all-out they went on THAT day? There was a new free gift, and I'll even concede there was a new Cash Shop item (but the monthly collection always goes out on the first, so...), and that was it. There was an effort to make this Friday not just special, but urgent: you don't fight the carrot by 11:59, you're out of luck!

That might also be a coincidence, but you'd have to be a really big believer to accept that. I fully understand that you will not concede the point -- you've long-since crossed the line from engaging debate to unfettered antagonism -- but when 114 people band together and make a unified statement, it's not going to have "zero impact" on a site this size. That impact was entirely a team effort, but I don't mind being the lightning rod for your negative pushback.

I will make the claim: we had some impact. Not as much as we wanted to have, but more than you say grelca will give us credit for. The evidence for this claim is circumstantial, but also correlative.

As for the 'tantrum' dig: whatever.

To be fair, is staff and her versions of how things are shakin' is gonna have a little more weight since she's got the view of the site's backend/overarching production that we don't.

I'm gonna peace out now, though! You're totally right, I've gotten a little too flippant/rude in my responses and I apologize for that too. No excuses on that for me or from me. If you or anyone else wants to keep talking to me about this or literally anything else, feel free to drop a message on my profile or shoot me a sMail!

to be fair, i actually only said the complaints had no bearing on when and how much we raised shop limits and when and how much we will again in the future. on that single thing, you guys had zero impact. as far as anything else goes, i'll only say "no comment" (tbh mostly because i am not involved in the planning of content stuff at all hahaha) ;)

: Thanks for the clarification. I appreciate it.

@ osterizer - Thank you for the thread and being able to face the drama. We at least got our point across and tried something, even in the face of backlash.

To the supporters: Great job on fighting for what you believed in!

To everyone against this: There's really no more reason to continue to fight against this. The petition is done and the staff took notice, even if nothing changed. At this point, it's causing drama just for the sake of making others angry.

Like I've said before, I have more confidence in the staff. I believe the food day was a coincidence, especially with Ariel's explanation. But, I still support the petition, even if I'm not a big hoarder.

Just go have fun and enjoy Subeta or something else.

: Thank you for the information. Not that it matters, but for the record, the petition went live late on April 7. I waited a few days to post this thread, because I wanted a couple of trusted and encouraging friends to critique it (not just for errors, but for tone) first, and I couldn't find a way at change.org to have the petition available for previewing without making it live.

: Thank you as well.

Huh? I knew there was drama over the shop change but a WALK OUT?!! :O What is that all about???!

[User=osterizer] started a petition regarding the shop changes. We had the option to avoid logging onto Subeta on April 15th. Basically a quiet protest. The drama i referred to was in regards to this thread.