What is the difference between having the information in a group in in group ping, and having the information in a subscribed thread? The information is still there.. It still has to be saved somewhere with all that stuff like user id and what not like you were saying earlier.

This thread is a cluster fuck.

For like the zillionth time, USE THE DAMN ANNOUNCEMENTS FORUM. Why change things, for which YOU know why you're doing it, without any explanation to the user base? Until this post:

"Mouse What I mean is for threads like, say a CW thread. You subscribe to it but set it so that only the creator of the board can ping you there. That gets rid of the use of half of the CW forum groups."

I had literally ZERO idea where you were you were trying to go with the forums. Perhaps if you had made a gasp ANNOUNCEMENT explaining this and the reason for limiting things, and how it's easier to start from scratch etc., you wouldn't have half the user base pissed off at you. JFC.

I fully support the idea of there being two different types of ping groups-- one for actual cult!groups, and another for just ping groups.

People typically join ping groups not to sit and chat and get to know everyone in the said group (sometimes they do, depending on the group and/or if the cult came first and then the group for the cult) (the latter mostly being a means of alerting the entire cult to something less than a place for them to chat), but because the group has a purpose.

Typically to alert a group of people to a thing. Such as "new CWs gais please buy these", or token shop restocks, or hustler restocks, or important battle updates.

If the 50 limit is kept intact and the format of pings stays as is I'm about to waste a lot less money on subeta in regards to CW and Hustler purchases (90% of the time I look/see/buy via ping.. no pings.. no need for CSC)... and I have a feeling a great deal of other people will as well :c

I'd be okay with that, because it would cull about 75% of the groups I'm in (as long as this was done before the limit is brought back).

However, I don't really understand how that's any different than just having those ping groups? Is it a drag on the server because groups are publicly displayed vs. subscription is in the dark? I hope, though, if this moves forward at least the creator of said board would be able to see a list of who's subscribed to their thread if only for reference. But really, Idk how unlimited board subscriptions is different than unlimited ping groups-- and while I understand a lot of things do need limits, I don't really get how this is one of those things.

I'm not trying to be condescending or anything, I just really don't see why ping groups were the one's to be limited. I get most limitations (outside of the pet cap, unless it's raised periodically and/or challengers stop being created harder than the cap can beat unless one owns godlies) (you yourself have said that gods should be overkill, and not necessary), but this one I really don't. Unless it's lag or something?

I thought he said the limit was changed to 50 and then was removed for now? Why is it when I try to join another group I get the error that I can't join more than 10 groups? This is severely annoying and making me not want to use the forums again :)

Welcome Back! You can only join 10 groups at a time :(!

GO TO GROUP

What is the difference between having the information in a group in in group ping, and having the information in a subscribed thread? The information is still there.. It still has to be saved somewhere with all that stuff like user id and what not like you were saying earlier.

I don't understand this either. The only thing I can think of is that it might split the load more evenly between forum groups and subscriptions. If that's the case, couldn't you just add categories for forum groups, like someone suggested on a brainstorming thread or something once? Stuff like social, personal, news & updates, and commerce, and then treat the categories separately behind the scenes.

I mean, I do like the idea of improving subscription functionality (I'd love to be able to send out an alert manually, without having to create a new post or edit an existing post). It's just that I'm almost getting the impression from this thread that it's being presented as a way to fix forum groups (pings not working and stuff), when it doesn't seem to really address the existing problems.

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Also:

So it's going to be like the achievement import debacle all over again? This honestly terrifies me. If there's anything you can do behind the scenes to make the move easier, you should seriously look into it.

The site crashes when I quickstock a full inventory-load of items (250) into my shop now, so I have little faith for how the site will hold up when hundreds of people have to move thousands of items apiece all at once. It's also a ton of work for players, and feels like a punishment.

- That makes me feel a little better. The achievement thing has me nervous for the future, though. Actually, the forum move was like that too. It fell to us, the players, to go through and make sure all our threads, posts, and edits transferred correctly, and if we didn't then we lost them for good. With achievements, we had to import multiple times (which was a lengthy process in itself), and then check through 1500+ achievements to make sure we hadn't lost any. (I think I'm still missing 1-2, but I couldn't figure out which ones).

Basically, these feel like things that the staff should be handling for us. I understand that glitches can happen, but I think more testing needs to be done before these major changes are pushed, and you should be doing everything you can to make sure that these transitions go as smoothly as possible before they go live. It's unfair that the responsibility always seems to fall on the players to ensure that their data isn't lost, and that's what I mean about it feeling like a punishment.

But again.. What is the difference between 100 items in one shop and 100 items spread between 10 shops? the items are still there. I imagine with more shops its more resources? Same with the groups. I don't get why this is a solution. You're not removing items/names you're just hiding them away somewhere else?

Shops will have a limit, I hope galleries will be left alone.
Sorry off topic...

wait - whaaat? :( umm how limited ? I try to keep my main store in control with auto pricing but beween vending and random events my main store stays several pages long.. ooohhhhhh @ figurative headache

After poking around a bit and playing with them, I think having forums in the actual forum groups is kinda neat, especially for cults and groups of close friends.

Yeah, I need to go through all these pages but this entire idea is ridiculous. The idea of making ping groups into your 'cults' already seems silly to me. I'm not sure I'm in over 15 groups and I can probably narrow them down no problem, but this seems ridiculous.

I have just gone through these pages... omg so much I missed out on.

Let me start by saying I fully sympathize with people thinking about CW groups - like I said, these also represent the vast majority of my own groups! I have a bit of a different input on this situation, but still falls along the same lines.

Years ago, when the CW market was starting out, felt like it would be really cool if she could put some of her art on site, as it could benefit so many people. Yet, she's the artist; the prospect of also dealing with dozens of people asking for things at the same time was never very thrilling for her! It wasn't for me, too, but we decided to share responsabilities and get on this together. In my mind, I have this commitment to support her at all times because I love seeing her art around and I want her/it to thrive.

I have seen SO many artists get burnt out with the slotting process. So many, so often. Kel might be slow with her CWs, but she never gave up and maybe having a bit of help plays a role there. KvC is her shop and should remain her shop, but if I can't also ping for slots, or if our customers have to pick between us and tsrestock or hustlercs, there's a fair chance she might bow out of selling her own wearables.

There are many CW shops ran by 2 or even 3 people, because it's a daunting task and having help makes a difference.

Also, often CW shops are remade, because of multiple reasons - if people had to resubscribe, much would be lost. KvC currently has 288 members, there are even larger CW groups around.

This being said, I'm trying to be as open as possible to new things, so if we're exchanging group pings for something else, so be it! Just, please make sure this will fullfill our needs, and please make sure it's fully functional before taking group pings from us.

I'm glad to see the limit has been lifted, at least for the time being. It was merely raised again, not lifted, and also only for GA users.

Sigh....well the "removal" of the limit really didn't do any removing. Still getting that atrocious 10 group limit page.

Also...how is this going to work for artwork groups? I'm in a lot of artist forum groups.

True, the limit hasn't been lifted, just increased again. (at least for GA people)

[edit] A friend confirmed they can only join 10 groups without a GA.

I'm not loving this limits thing. I understand that they want the site to run smoothly but at the same time it sucks, since that is one of the things that draws me here instead of neopets. And to me it doesn't make sense to do it backwards like this. I mean, first wouldn't you want to tell people? and then second- the 'new thing' (whatever it is I don't think THEY even know yet), should be implemented and running smoothly and everything, and Then they should redirect people out of ping groups into the 'new thing' as the last step. They would cross over from one way of doing things into another. And then you can limit and disable functions in whatever so that any remaining stragglers cross over.

Shop limits probably won't affect me that much as I don't tend to have more then four pages of stock but I do hope they allow us to Autoprice more then one shop when it comes time to work on those. It wouldn't be fair to take away a GA privelege that has been around for so long just because people are good at selling. (which should be rewarded.)

Well with the forum group limit lifted/raised I can finally join the group I wanted. But I still can't see any of my groups on the 'Your Groups' page. :(

I am really not a fan of this idea at all. Especially with artshops and cw shops as well as ping groups for token shop, subeautique, hustler, the site update group etc. And yeah the subscribe idea works well in theory, but what about when you start a new thread, nobody is gonna be subscribed to it right away so are you supposed to go through every thread you've ever posted in about the same subject matter and individually ping each and every person? Seriously if this function comes to be with the limit and all I will probably use the forums even less than I do now. I thought part of the reason for the forum revamp was to make them more appealing and hopefully increase use of them. This sounds to me like shooting yourself in the foot. Sorry if this is is a bit of a long winded rambling post, but its late and I'm tired. :P But I gotta put my two sp worth in and say NO, PLEASE SHINWA NO.

10 forum groups without a GA. Lol.

DONT YOU WANT US TO USE THE FORUMS? CAUSE THIS IS A GOOD WAY TO MAKE PEOPLE NOT USE FORUMS.