Hey guys, I'm pretty sure I'm one of the seven as well! We need a cool club. or a ping group

Bahahahahahaha ❤️

aww I feel like such a failure with only 162 :( :(

❤ It's okay, that's still a good amount! I just... am in a lot of art groups. And friends groups.

Omg that was so quick, haha. So there's me, , , and already! omg 600 groups, is that really a thing xD

probably isn't stalking many CWs but I can see how the art market alone would fill one's group page fairly quickly xD

...now to check that other thread for ping 'replacement' suggestions, see if I can think of any ideas...

(163 rows of 4, and a row of 3 in my "your groups" list). I'm in a lot of artist's groups, and actually a lot cw groups (especially when one artist has like... 3 or more groups for their own stuff), profile makers, reminder/info groups, cult ones, friends groups... not going to lie, I am in a lot of groups. Are they used often? No. But they all have a purpose... and I've no helpful suggestions on how to go about changing that. Especially with people's friends groups, or art groups. They can be called to any board, for any reason. And honestly, the pinging friends/favorite friends doesn't mean much at all. If we could... have an option of pinging/calling preset-up or customizable groups to a post, that might be one alternative? (I've no idea if I'm making myself coherent with it at all, or if its possible).

Omg xD Yeah, I was just looking at the sprint + goalreach and that's a group that couldn't possibly be attached to a board, since it's remade every season... it's tough to find alternatives, when the current forum groups already seem to fit our needs so well :c

...and then I'm totally good with sitting on an artist's group for months/years just in the offchance they'll eventually find some free time to open slots here xD Can't miss it when it happens!

I think your idea of having preset groups could be great! Maybe they could work like "mostly inactive" groups that would still be ready for easy calling on the forums... I also have no idea if it's feasible (or if that's what you meant xD) but worth throwing on the suggestions pile!

Yay, here's another member for the Subeta destroyers with ~230 ping groups, ~200 of them cw relevant! WE CAN BRING THE SITE DOWN WITH JUST SEVEN PEOPLE. and omg Xiocite I would so make a ping group. it's just that you guys couldn't even join it xD where is our seventh comrade, btw?

I had thought, too, that "cult revamp" meant "get the cults to function at all again and add useful features". It doesn't seem so. I actually have no idea by now what functions cults will have and how they will look.

your pondering about how the queries should go through is exactly what I was pondering over but couldn't really clear up or understand. thanks c:

So we are breaking the system with 7 people? No, okay, I know you didn't mean it like that. I kinda pondered about the same things as considering how the ping queries work. I get that altering the way the database is set up is not a solution that can be done immediately or even quickly. It is a lot of work and poses a lot of difficulties, so I get why you would work around that. I just... idk, it does seem a bit like the easy way out to just put crazy low limits on things instead of saying either a) we put a limit, but it's moderate and doesn't pull the thousands of users that don't even use the forums into the calculation or b) we gotta work on this, sorry people, you won't be able to join any ping groups or make any new ping groups for the next four months at all cause we're fixing the database, please wait for it. I know that you have taken out the low limits and you have understood that they were too low by far, but I admit that I'm still kinda nervous about how high it will be later as no estimates have come out whatsoever. I guess it will depend on how exactly the new system will work?

I also admit that yes, being in 200+ groups may not be the best way to use the forums; you get a lot of insignificant pings, too, and a lot of cw shops unfortunately tend to ping very often and in quick succession for the same items. I agree with though that it is the only way to really keep up with the cw market as it is set up now. Almost all of my ping groups are cw ping groups, and if you are going to replace at least the personal cw ping groups with subscription threads, that is probably gonna solve the problem with us seven people by itself.

And I know this is a small thing, but lots of ping groups just die at some point because the admins leave, a cw shop closes, someone stops to make art or an event is over. Couldn't for example all groups be deleted that haven't been pinged in over 15 months?

======= sorry for the double ping you two! I do actually think the numbers of ping groups people are in would significicantly go down if even only the cw boards were converted into subscription threads and the ping groups deleted. Like seriously. And do you think it would actually be possible to have a combination of both? Threads and groups, I mean? And strict rules about it, like a) no friends groups b) no personal cw ping groups (customwear could stay so it could be used?) c) no restock ping groups d) and whatever else might be useful... Preset groups also sound like a cool idea, I like it. But wouldn't they die as soon as the respective thread dies? We have a three month necro limit, and an artist pinging once every year isn't going to be able to keep his groups up that way.

Mmm, and sprint/goalreach/reminder/lending/EVERYTHING ELSE has 4 or more different people in charge/able to ping. Forum groups, as they are now fit well both for what users have made into being and using, and made it to be what we need, if that makes sense? We're intertwined/reliant.

Yea.. and with artists, they can really go anywhere, to event forums, to auctions, to normal threads, to freebies, relevant feedback topics (I mean, how many cw artists were pinging their own sales groups and followers to some of the hotter-topic threads months/years ago?).

Kind of like pick an outfit, but pick a selection of people to ping. Or be able to edit the ping friends/ping favorite friends to be different people and different things. However, we wouldn't see a ping from reminder or something and know "oh! I'm being pinged to this place, for this reason. I should go or, I know I can delete this". I'm pretty sure I'm not making sense outside of myself though.

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Hi! Sorry. Didn't see your post until after I posted.

Ah, I more meant for the preset groups to follow us around on all the forums, much like ping friends/fav friends (or even choose outfit) does. So I suppose it doesn't really help much the thought/effort of keeping groups to a thread (which I admittedly still don't really get anyways, but hey. Trying to be a bit less pitch-forky).

Also on artist-artist threads, unless they actively work on a thread, from what I've seen... they tend to scrap it and start a new one any time the come back (usually with different options/prices and better quality art)

can't we join it? I thought we had no limits on what we can make? Go on, make it and invite me... I'd like to have an even row of groups

ah, so more like you can put people into a box somewhere in your account and then just ping the respective box? idk, isn't that pretty much what ping groups are now except that people can join? Or would you rather think just giant text boxes that you have to fill in beforehand with @ username1 @ username 2 3? So when you post, you have maybe 5, maybe 10 little boxes on the side like friends and favorite friends that you just check and it pings these people?

Probably edit through the forum options, I'd imagine, but what I mean is that how we currently have to the side of the post how we can call/ping our friends list to the post we make.. just be able to change who is on the list that gets called/summoned/notified. So not really a proper ping group (thought maybe still options to join, though not sure how different admins would be able to use it... or if there could be public ones people could join/subscribe to and just add like... tsrestock to the list groups that could be summoned, but there wouldn't be the # name.

I like that idea. Personal preset groups would be amzing, and staff-run "groups" for general topics like ts restock, cshustler restock, subeautique, whatever would be great to be preset. There would have to be a limit though somewhere i guess? Or a dropdown menu, but I don't want to wake up to 20 checkboxes at the side of my textbox. :D

Yeah, I get it, even the preset group pings would have to be labeled group pings somehow, so people know they can skim through them if they were on hiatus / couldn't log for a few days / have too much on their sidebars, etc x_x

I'm trying to think of ways to go about this, but it all feels like reinventing group pings, in a way. We could have them tied to a thread, but then we also need a way to take them to other threads, and then we need to have the possibility to add mod privileges to other people... -sigh-

ALSO the limit has now been properly lifted for the time being, so we can totally join more groups / create groups within the we're allowed to (har har all of the silly puns)

oh my god that pun. /wheezes also this thread is keeping me from posting on the other xD

But you know, we are trying to reinvent group pings, that's the point. We're just trying to do it with less strain on the servers.

Does that average actually take into account each user also - when you're saying they're not the same, do you know the amount of time each user is spending? Like total yesterday I was on say, 30 minutes, was on 20 total, etc.?

I'm asking because I'm curious when you're saying the average isn't the same people every time, how you're taking that average. Let's say I logged on four times for five minutes each. Now am I counted as one user with an average of 20 minutes, or four users with an average of five minutes - is it counting unique user times or session times?

If it's the latter, there's a fault in saying that the user average is 15-20 minutes, because the numbers are being skewed and not taking a per user basis, but a per session basis. Just curious which is actually occurring (I mean I'm not even sure it's possible to track each user as opposed to sessions)

Also it would still be really nice to be able to understand a bit more of the issue - I know there's more than me out there who would like to at least be able to understand and maybe offer some (hopefully helpful) suggestions on the premise of how Subeta's code is set up. We know we can't all understand how it all works and likely won't - but you've always said Subeta is short staffed on programmers and there are those of us out here who want to understand so we can at least know what the site issues are and maybe make better suggestions/explain to others we know the necessity of what you're doing. I feel sometimes as though you take people asking programming questions as an attack, like we don't believe why you're doing what you're doing rather than as trying to honestly help or understand. I know you can't sit and explain everything drilled-down, but a higher overview or yes/no if we're on the right track could help us have more informed suggestions and opinions.

EDIT: sorry was wading through my events this morning I'm happy to know at least someone was reading that and kind of understood where I was going with it haha :) I just hope I wasn't completely off the ball and people read some random spew that's completely irrelevant

I still have absolutely nothing listed in "Your Groups" when I know I am in at least five. It's not my customcss. Should I make a bug thread or file a ticket or what? I didn't have this problem before this page was revamped so yeah.

ROFL yes another ping group would be perfect!!!!

I THINK WE NEED A TITLE xD

CLAMP Destroyed Subeta

I like the sound of that lol

I actually want it now.

me too xD maybe keith'll make an achievement, if we leave 200+ groups lol

ahaha omg. "Have destroyed Subeta and then redeemed yourself by leaving 200 forum groups" Achievement Prize: forumtitle: The Destroyer ("destroyed Subeta") Alternatively: "brought the site DOWN"