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December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

totally loves all over NoirRaven's post

YES. Many agreements and much love from me - it's so good to see other gargoyles fans out there.
...Though I must say, while I completely agree with you on the new magnus wing-thickness issue, I did always wonder how the cartoonists expected creatures that big to stay in the air with wing bones that thin. :x WHO NEEDS PROPER PROPORTIONS, I SAY.

...stillfavamericancartoonEVER.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Oh goodness, I made a typo in my last comment. Let me re write the last part ^^;;

"I think the curves in the arms make them look just a little bit thick. It may not be so, but the picture gives the illusion that it is so. And its the people's perception that counts."

^^;; So yeah... revamps are OK, but too many revamps can be bad. Some people choose the pets, because they like how they look already. If a revamp isn't needed, then it shouldn't be done. <-- not critisizing the artist who revamped. Though... there's one in particular I would love to see revamped. The Tigrean looks just too goofy for a tiger.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Oh goodness, I made a typo in my last comment. Let me re write the last part ^^;;

"I think the curves in the arms make them look just a little bit thick. It may not be so, but the picture gives the illusion that it is so. And its the people's perception that counts."

^^;; So yeah... revamps are OK, but too many revamps can be bad. Some people choose the pets, because they like how they look already. If a revamp isn't needed, then it shouldn't be done. <-- not critisizing the artist who revamped. Though... there's one in particular I would love to see revamped. The Tigrean looks just too goofy for a tiger.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

God I know it's my first day back and I'm on the thinnest ice I can be on but, what I have to say may offend, and I apologize a head of time, I don't mean to. Let's get the bad points out of the way first.

Bad:
1. It looks... fat. Maybe slim it down a tad or make it more muscular looking?
2. It's head seems a tad small for the body size.
3. It's wings... Crooked and even the ugliest Gargoyles have thinner wings. Take Disney's Gargoyles for instance. Broadway, the FAT one, and Hudson, the other, "not so slender" Gargoyle, have slender, dragon/demonic wings. See?

4. Not enough spikes on the tail.
5. Could be the angle but it looks like its horns got neutered a bit there...

Good Points.
1. The coloring is great.
2. Ooo. Fangs. Much better than the whiskers.
3. The eyes are purdy. Stares.
4. It looks like a good mix between a Gargoyle and Dragon. Never change that!
5. Still has that "Come any closer and I'll bite you" look, don't change that either! XD
6. I like it's hands and feet. Very Disney. XD

Final bits: Personally I don't think it looks any less lively than before, just more serious but since when has the Magnus been a "happy camper?" Seriously, the Magnus has always been a bit of a stiff, hense why I chose mine as my "mini Murdoc" and aside from the wings, the rest is forgivable. I can live with this change. not sure who to vote for though. Probably toss a coin.

OMG! Could it be?! Suggestions/tips, one extra good quality, an honest yet not as offensive final say, from Subeta's harshest critic?! No, you're not dreaming. XD Hope I didn't step on anyone's toes with this but if I did, (and knowing this place, I probably have,) let me say it now, again, and for a final time. I'm sorry if I offend.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

o.O I like it..and for everyone who says its fat..its not..The only problem I have is the wings i think thats what might be sparking the fat comment..Yes Vash is now replying because I've sit here and studied this Beautiful creation for quite sometime.. Itas really the left wing up at the top thats giving me the problem..

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Weren't they all getting revamped to give a sense of uniformity to the art?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I hate to see how he lost his mysterious 'leave me alone'- look. he looks a lot more open one, and I liked the old one a lot better. long time ago in the editorial someone asked if pet ___ could receive a makeover, and you said the new pets wouldnt need one. I actually agreed. I don't see why you keep giving the pets 'makeovers', I think many of them looked just fine the way they were, and now they're just being.. I dunno. uncutified for the aske of realism? like with the antlephore for example. maybe it's just me but... eh. I feel my magnus got killed in his personality. :/

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I like this new Magnus much more than the old one. It really has that stoney look down, yet they eyes look strangely more alive than the rest of the pet. This is good; it creates more of the gargoyle-esque illusion, like something that's alive is trying to hide it or something that's not living wishes it were.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Posted by Yasuragi
laughs I said the eyes look fine, I said the POSE looks like the dilema. Not that the Magnus ITSELF looks like the dilema

I just said I don't have an artistic eye all I know is I see what I see and I like what I see.

I noticed the artsy people will come in and say this is too big this is too little etc.
Now you understand, Yasuragi?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

right now im going to see what my new dawn magnus looks like revamped. oh and by the way i dont know if you can call them whiskers but i think they look better as fangs because as whiskers it kinda madew him look like a chinesse dragon

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

well i likes it, looks like a gargoyle but i dun know what my mom will say, she was upset when they changed the montre and with the magnus being her fav pet ill never hear the end of it lol

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Why is that, you ask?
Because it was what I was -told- to do. Because we, as a whole, are attempting to AVOID side view pet poses now. This isn't an "I felt like it". It's an "I did what was asked of me". I'm afraid there's nothing I can do to change what we're looking for now, sorry.

That's why, cocakelli.

Seriously, how many of the news comments are spent repeating things others have already said, because people can't take the time to read?

What part of my quote was refering to it not being a side view? Hm? Me stating that it looks like the Dilema? The fact that the top of the wings look too thick? The coloring being too shiny?

What part of her reply answers those?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

laughs I said the eyes look fine, I said the POSE looks like the dilema. Not that the Magnus ITSELF looks like the dilema

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Beautiful.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I agree, with tracy. Look at the expression on its face.
:points to brow:
You cant say that it has no character.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

[url]http://www.myfilestash.com/userfiles/unholy/samepose.jpg[/ur]

Umm you artist types, Yasuragi.
You all see things I don't.

I do not care if it is posed similar to a Dillema.
I love the eyes. The eyes are not anything like the Dillemas.

I Like that it looks scary and sweet.
I would not have any trouble coming up with a personality for this pet.

It Looks like it could be mean as Hell one minute and wanting a hug the next.

The face has great charachter to me.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Honestly, I don't see why people think it looks so fat. Especially when you compare it to the previous one. So the forearms are a little thick-looking, I see that...

But hey, guys, chill out.

Oh yes. Remeber: It's a gargoyle.

Oh yea, and redraws aren't meant to be exact tracings of the old one...that would defeat the purpose. It's obviously going to be different....

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I would like to know what the big deal if a Gargoylish (sp?) was fat?

If your roleplay them anthro you can imagfine them anyways.

Tategami is a Brilliant artist. Check out the eyes.

Of Course I love MysticCookie's art as well. Points to the Kerubi in my account
All you need to do is got to Tategami's siggy in
the forums there are links to her DA and her personal website at least I think that is what the other link is.

I am sure MysticCookie did not mind a redraw as I am hoping she is coming up with more Sheeta, Demi and Kerubi colors.

We are so blessed her at Subeta to have talent like we do.

The art at Subeta has always been superior and I think people should just chill out about all of it.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I'd preffere this one instead!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

it looks a bit buff x) i like it, but i prefer the old one xP

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

it's kind of hard to choose
but the new one has more detail and stuff
and it looks shinier

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I prefer the old version :< It just... looked so much cuter

I think there's a glitch with the poll: it gave me 2000 SP instead of 1000 o.o

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

honestly i prefered the old one!
what i dont like are the wings, and you can say what you want, but i really think he looks fat!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I asked about this in one of my previous posts, but I have yet to see an answer (and I read every post...it's possible I missed it, but unlikely)

Will the Graveyard version be getting a redraw?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

After reading some of the other comments, I wish to add more to my own. My constructiveism would be to thin down the wings area, I see how the body is supposed to be bulkier looking muscular and stronger like a stone gargoyle. I get that, I think what bothers me if the width of the wing parts (those big wide claw thingies), as If they weigh too much to use. [ And dont bother with that oh he gildes not flys, or whatever, it's besides the point. We're going on looks, not function.} If there were some way to keep the pose of the old Magnus and just add these lvls of detail and new coloring like this new version has, that would make my day. I still vote old, I don't see why everything needs a revamp around here anyway, if it isn't broke, don't fix it.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I'm a huge fan of the old one actually. This one looks... chubby. ^^;

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Guys, the chibi will NOT be changed. Don't give Kelpie a hernia here XD

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

This looks =really- great.
Please don`t change the chibi version, though.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I like it. Looks just a little chubbier, which is good, because the old one was too skinny. :b

i love it...hope my Haggai changes soon to this version!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

-stares at all the nit-pickies-

Well, I like it, for what it's worth. A heck of a lot better than anything I could ever come up with. My hat's off to the artist.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Please excuse me if I'm reiterating what other people have already said- I read almost every post before mine, and I'll try not to be too redundant. xD;

First of all, I really do love the texture on the newer Magnus. It's very lovely and stony, enough said.

I -can- see what people mean when they say that the newer Magnus looks pudgy, but I do -not- think it looks OMGFAT. It just looks bulkier. This may have to do with the frontal view vs. side view, shading, positioning of the forelimbs, or the way the back feet seem to be pointing further outwards, as if to support a greater girth... I'm in no way an expert on anatomy, so I can't say for sure. Nevertheless, it does look more burly, brawny, etc. rather than the more lithe look of the original. Again, maybe that was just the side view, I don't know. Don't yell at me. x0

I also agree with justsomechick's statement that the head looks stretched somehow. The snout makes an awkward curve, I think, as if it's been skewed, and I think it looks too vertically thin in relation to the rest of the head. In addition, there's something about the head and face that really doesn't seem to go with the body, in my opinion. The head gives me sort of an impression of delicacy and refinement, or elegance or something. It seems to me that the mouth and snout area in itself is proportionally smaller on the new Magnus, and the mouth does not reach as far back on the jaw as it perhaps should. That all contributes to this impression. Now, when that is coupled with the body, which seems to be muscular... it just feels strange. It's like there are two distinct 'looks' that are trying to be expressed in a single image, and they don't compliment each other terribly well.

And now the little things, which are somewhat personal... even though I donâ€™t own a Magnus... xD; like the longer horns and tail on the original... and the whiskers. :X Whiskers are cool. (And I think the facial expression looks too disdainful on the new one... blah blah, thatâ€™s just me...)

Sorry if any of that was unwelcome or poorly conveyed... Dx I would use pretty pictures to make my point, but I donâ€™t have the skill. Bleh.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

oh yes.i do like this one better.the only thing i kinda dont like is the highlights.they look all wierd like it didnt come out right.ah well.i think it was meant to be like that.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">If the Magnus is supposed to be a gargoyle, .. even though it's a block of stone during the day, it should still be alive at night. "Gargoyles" from Disney, anyone?

I love you so hard for mentioning that show <3 is totally on a gargoyle fix

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Like I said before. It's a definite improvement. The whole point of a redraw is for it not to be exactly the same as before, isn't it?
I love the texture and the fact that it looks heavier, like a gargoyle. I love the eyes and the heavier front claws.
NOw for things I just noticed. I am probably repeating things..but too lazy to read 200 post. ^^;
-tail too short (I know shaggy meantioned this)
-THe head horns could be a bit longer, but they don't really dent my cake, so...shrug
-Pose could have been diferent. Maybe wings extended?

NOw I shall happily keep adoring the redraw and hope it gets chosing, thank you.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Actually Keith, ... you can have alive blocks of stone. 0_o; Just depends on the artist.

I kind of like the revamp, .. but I agree with most of what justsomechick said. I think the tail should be a bit longer, as well -- the tail seems too short.

If the Magnus is supposed to be a gargoyle, .. even though it's a block of stone during the day, it should still be alive at night. "Gargoyles" from Disney, anyone? The Magnus obviously isn't a block of stone at the moment, so therefore it should be alive .. if you want a gargoyle during the day, make it stone. I think the pose is a little too static, it needs to look more active.

That's the main problem with most of the new re-vamps. They're drawn beautifully, but the poses are all static and somewhat boring. They should have personality.

But otherwise, I love the coloring jobs that have been done, and the art on the re-vamps are awesome. So do keep up the good work. <3

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

The older verson, I think, was slighty better, I think this revamp makes the body look too bulky (in my opinion), though, the detail in shading is a nice plus

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

The revamp is beautiful, but I think the old one is still a little better. The detail is definetly a plus, and if the old one was just spruced up with a little more detail (shading, lighting, etc) it would look just as good. I think the curves in the arms make them look just a little bit think. It may not be so, but the picture gives the illusion that it is so. And its the people's perception that counts.

And if people can't take crits as people give them, then they shouldn't be asked for.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Okay, after cooling down, let me stop and not be as annoyed as I was yesterday. XD Now, I like this remake. I do. But, I wouldn't want the exact image above to replace the current one, and I don't feel bad about voting for the old one yesterday.

First of all, it really doesn't matter whether it's technically proportionally same as the last. What matters is how it looks in this particular pose, which is what people don't like (and what matters, since it's the image that represents all Magnuses). In THIS pose, it does look bulkier and generally thicker than the old one. There's no need for this.

Second, the purpose of giving it a makeover was to update it to the current graphic standards of Subeta, am I correct? If that's the case, then it's certainly done that, it's very well-done. But there's also a few small changes that people don't like that's making things worse. Here, I just made this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v176/nekomt/subeta/magnus.jpg
(The image for the current Magnus is my sun one, since I was too lazy to go find an image of the common XD)

I'd like to first point out to all the haters that you can see in the image that it's torso/body is not necessarily larger at all, we are in fact just looking at the old one from the side. Also, its arms and legs aren't really wider either.

Instead, the arms are actually a different shape. The forearm is longer now, with the upper arm much, much shorter (as in, the parts of the arm on either side of the elbow arn't the same length). Also with the arms, the shoulders are much more muscular now. The old Magnus didn't have bulky shoulders, so there's no reason for this one to. It's just contributing to the illusion of chubbiness.

Also, the head of the new Magnus was really bothering me for some reason, and I realized why: it's definitely stretched upwards. The perspective in general on the right side of its face seems off.

Finally, the right ear on the redraw is totally out of place and should be redone. This is the ONLY real anatomical problem I see in the redraw. It's minor but noticable.

Maybe I'm being picky. XD But, I'm just trying to point out why people might be not liking it so much. This new style is wonderful, it's just... not the 100% best example to give people, since it's misleading at first look. And first impressions last.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Ahhhhh. < 3

It looks like it should be perched atop a big ol' cathedral or something. And I love the expressive eyes.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Seriously, how many of the news comments are spent repeating things others have already said, because people can't take the time to read?

No. I think it's the fact that people don't have the time to read 200+ posts.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Tatertot. I said this before. I adore this pet. You did an amazing job, I love the stone texture, I love the pose, the back legs look so much more natural. I love they look on the face.

I adore the fangs over whiskers. I cannot get over the tuxture! You pulled it off using shading instead of actual lines.

The magnus has always been one of my favorite pets. You did an amazing job bringing its art style up to date. I really hope this goes thru. <3

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I prefer the old one. I was considering getting one but glad I chose otherwise as I'm not too keen on the remake.

Well done to the artist though. It's not my taste but the shading is awesome and the eyes are very powerful

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I'm sorry I haven't commented on this yet. I don't even want to get into the "chunky" argument, because it annoys me to distraction.

There isn't enough good to be said about this version. And I really loved Magnuses before(Magnuses? Magni? Magnusi? In addition to pronunciation, perhaps a pluralization guide? xD), but this one is just gorgeous. The shading is brilliant, I love textured shading. And it looks so powerful, like it could tear your arm right out of the socket with its pinkie. And those eyes, so lovely.

I. LOVE. THIS. MAGNUS. I feel like couch-jumping. xD

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

All people who said it's fat, you haven't seen Supersize me. THEN you'll know what being fat is

I just love the new one, seriously, the old one is really outdated art. This one is just spectacular if you compare it with the old.

You should all be happy

(( And I'd like to ask not to post comments that could hurt the feelings and/or self-confidence of the artist who drew it :p ))

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I own a chibi magnus, and since those aren't getting a redraw, my opinion really doesn't count. But I must say, this redraw is very good. It gives a whole new life to the magnus. It's simply better, cleaner, more detailed artwork. Lovely. It fits in with the style that Subeta is going for in all their pets now (which I adore, btw) and seems to fit in with the chibi magnus more now as well. Beautiful Tat, as always. prods Now where's that lizard?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Thank you Atarra!! ^o^ Its all a different pose, not fat or chunky at all!!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Quote By Atarra:

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I don't understand all these "fat" and "chunky" comments. It really does look like the same creature with more detail and a new pose to me. It might look wider from the front because of the leg placement, but they are like that in the current drawing too, just seen at a different angle the body looks slimmed. The arms do look large, but look closely at the current design, it's the same shape! It's hard to tell because the knee is in the way, but look closely, they already had those wide-base arms.

...Thank You. Seriously. points while flailing her arms wildly She's got it!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I don't understand all these "fat" and "chunky" comments. It really does look like the same creature with more detail and a new pose to me. It might look wider from the front because of the leg placement, but they are like that in the current drawing too, just seen at a different angle the body looks slimmed. The arms do look large, but look closely at the current design, it's the same shape! It's hard to tell because the knee is in the way, but look closely, they already had those wide-base arms.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Gah-hah! This is a great revamp. <3 The only reason I have yet to create one is the lack of character in my head-basket.

I don't think it looks fat. (and even if it did that would be okay with me. Love the chubbiness.) It looks very solid, which, in my not-so-humble-opinion, is what a creature made out of stone -should- look like.

Of all things to freak out over...eh. Whatever. Can't please everyone. sinks back into the ether

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Aren't Gargoyles supposed to be ugly? It's ok I suppose, not one of the worst, not as bad as the Torrents going to be.

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