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Sep 18, 2018 7 years ago
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[box=#cceeff]Weapons[/box] The Weapon Guide SubetaLodge's Battle Filter [userid=562819]'s Weapon Directory

Recommended Sets Per Tier These sets were built with practicality and affordability in mind, but each battler is encouraged to use whichever set of weapons they find best works for them.

General formula for building a set: Freezer + Bomb(s) + Blaster(s) + Attackers + Shield + Healer(s)

Tier 1

Tier 2

Tier 3

Tier 4

Tier 5

Tier 6

Tier 7

Tier 8

Tier 9

Tier 10

Tier 11

Tier 12

Tier 13



[box=#cceeff]Scrolls[/box] The Complete Scroll List

Offensive (OPB): Defensive (OPB): Freezing (OPB): Healing (OPB): Freezing (IU): Healing (IU):


*Can be crafted more cheaply than price in user shops, check SubetaLodge for ingredients OPB = Once per battle IU = Infinite Use


[box=#cceeff]Mod Crystals[/box] The Guide to Mod Crystals (v2)

Generally, these four are considered the best to use:


[box=#cceeff]Opponents[/box] Comprehensive Guide to Battle Opponents (v2) [Discontinued] Complete List of Unlockable Challengers Challenger Tier Guide~ [userid=562819]'s Challenger Guide Battle Wiki

1P Loot tracker - Collaboration Project The Guide to Challenger Loot


[box=#cceeff]Other Links[/box] Battle 2022 Chat The Official Battle Guide v3.3 [topic not found] Guide to Stat Boosters [topic not found] Weapons - Borrowing & Lending

Sep 18, 2018 7 years ago
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What do you think of the tier suggestions under the 'Weapons' spoiler?

Sep 18, 2018 7 years ago
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Yeah, this thread was probably coming.

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Sep 19, 2018 7 years ago
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, you're awesome! The big battling forum/threads are a bit, well, big and confusing/intimidating for me, so having it all so neatly organised here is really helpful. Thank you!

My brain runs on numbers, so what I like is to have all the stats of the weapons visible at once. So I'll make this post here for future reference.

[box=#eaebbf]Post under construction: April 2019 - reformatting for the new Tables sCode![/box]


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Tier 1: done

Item Role Value Attack stats Defence stats
Gear Shuriken Bomb OPB 14 :dmg:physical: 7 :dmg:dark: 7 -
Krad Bomb Bomb OPB 14-16 :dmg🔥 5 :dmg:dark: 5 :dmg:wind: 4 or 6 -
Fire Blade Attack 11 :dmg🔥 11 -
Thrashing Bulldog Attack 9-12 :dmg:earth: 4 :dmg:magma: 4-5 :dmg:water: 1-3 -
Item Hunters Shield Shield 11 - :block:physical: 3 :block:dark: 1 :block:earth: 1 :block🔥 1 :block🧊 1 :block:light: 1 :block:magma: 1 :block:water: 1 :block:wind: 1
Kerubi Orb of Doom Heal OPB :heal: 20HP - -
Bronze Quill Heal OPB :heal: 20HP :dmg:physical: 4 -
* Phoenix Quill Heal OPB :heal: 100% - -

tier 2: done

Item Role Value Attack stats Defence stats
Jack Frosts Bottled Breath Freezer OPB Freezing: medium

(attack 10-12)

:dmg🧊 5-6 :dmg:wind: 5-6 -
Pie Bomb Bomb OPB 20 :dmg🔥 10 :dmg:earth: 5 :dmg:magma: 10 -
* Blackmoon Hand Blaster Blaster OPB Blast into Cube - -
Tide Water Blaster Attack 11-13 :dmg:water: 8-10 :dmg:wind: 3 -
Omniscient Sword of Prophecy Attack 16 :dmg:physical: 4 :dmg🔥 6 :dmg:light: 6 -
Inverted Galaxy Orb Shield OPB 18 - :block:physical: 2 :block:dark: 2 :block:earth: 2 :block🔥 2 :block🧊 2 :block:light: 2 :block:magma: 2 :block:water: 2 :block:wind: 2
Jewel Encrusted Quill Heal OPB :heal: 50HP

(attack 12)

:dmg🧊 3 :dmg:light: 3 :dmg:water: 3 :dmg:wind: 3 -
* Phoenix Quill Heal OPB :heal: 100% - -

tier 3: done

Item Role Value Attack stats Defence stats
Icy Freezing Rod of Doom Freezer OPB Freezing: high

:dmg🧊 12 or 14 or 16 -
Shrine of Apollonia Shield Blessing (10 turns) 18 - :block:wind: 6 :block:earth: 6 :block:dark: 6
* Gold Clockwork Grenade Bomb OPB 30 :dmg:physical: 10 :dmg🔥 10 :dmg:magma: 10 -
* Blackmoon Hand Blaster Blaster OPB Blast into Cube - -
* Blade of Sacrifice Attack 22

(:heal: -1%)

:dmg:physical: 2 :dmg🔥 3 :dmg:dark: 2 :dmg:earth: 3 :dmg🧊 2 :dmg:light: 3 :dmg:magma: 2 :dmg:water: 3 :dmg:wind: 2 -
Stinging Gauntlet Heal+Attack :heal: 15 HP

(attack 17-20)

:dmg:physical: 7-9 :dmg:water: 6 :dmg🧊 4-5 -
Ruffie Healy Bones Heal OPB :heal: 100 HP

(defence 9)

- :block:physical: 1 :block:dark: 1 :block:earth: 1 :block🔥 1 :block🧊 1 :block:light: 1 :block:magma: 1 :block:water: 1 :block:wind: 1
* Phoenix Quill Heal OPB :heal: 100% - -

tier 4: done

Item Role Value Attack stats Defence stats
* Gorgun Freezer OPB Freezing: 100%

(attack 8)

:dmg:dark: 4 :dmg🧊 4 -
Shrine of Apollonia Shield Blessing (10 turns) 18 - :block:wind: 6 :block:earth: 6 :block:dark: 6
V-Nuke Bomb OPB 31 :dmg🔥 4 :dmg:wind: 5 :dmg:magma: 6 :dmg:light:4 :dmg:dark:8 :dmg:physical:4 -
Blackmoon Hand Blaster Blaster OPB Blast into Cube - -
Eventide Chakram Attack 24-26 :dmg:earth:7 :dmg:wind:7-9 :dmg🔥5 :dmg:magma:5 -
Rainbow Quill Healer + Shield OPB :heal:150 HP

(block 36)

- :block🔥4 :block:water:4 :block:wind:4 :block🧊4 :block:magma:4 :block:earth:4 :block:light:4 :block:dark:4 :block:physical:4
Phoenix Quill Heal OPB :heal: 100% - -

tier 5: done

Item Role Value Attack stats Defence stats
* Gorgun Freezer OPB Freezing: 100%

(attack 8)

:dmg:dark: 4 :dmg🧊 4 -
V-Nuke Bomb OPB 31 :dmg🔥 4 :dmg:wind: 5 :dmg:magma: 6 :dmg:light:4 :dmg:dark:8 :dmg:physical:4 -
* Recycle Blaster Blaster OPB Blast into Recycled Wad - -
* Blackmoon Hand Blaster Blaster OPB Blast into Cube - -
Forj Tempered Kusarigama Attack 12-52

Curse (low): Singed

Blessing (low): Parched

:dmg🔥4 or 19 :dmg:magma:3 or 18 :dmg:wind:5 or 15 -
Ol Blue Attack + Freeze 24-36

Freezing: low

:dmg:light:7 or 13 :dmg:water:9 or 11 :dmg🧊8 or 12 -
Rainbow Quill Healer + Shield OPB :heal:150 HP

(block 36)

- :block🔥4 :block:water:4 :block:wind:4 :block🧊4 :block:magma:4 :block:earth:4 :block:light:4 :block:dark:4 :block:physical:4
Phoenix Quill Heal OPB :heal: 100% - -

tier 6: done

Item Role Value Attack stats Defence stats
* Gorgun Freezer OPB Freezing: 100%

(attack 8)

:dmg:dark: 4 :dmg🧊 4 -
V-Nuke Bomb OPB 31 :dmg🔥 4 :dmg:wind: 5 :dmg:magma: 6 :dmg:light:4 :dmg:dark:8 :dmg:physical:4 -
* Recycle Blaster Blaster OPB Blast into Recycled Wad - -
Frost Thorn Attack + Freeze 32-42

Freezing: low

Boosts defence & speed by 15

:dmg:wind:2-7 :dmg🧊30-35 -
Ol Blue Attack + Freeze 24-36

Freezing: low

:dmg:light:7 or 13 :dmg:water:9 or 11 :dmg🧊8 or 12 -
Flayed Lord Breastplate Shield 60-180

Boosts defence 25

- :block:physical: 6 or 30 :block🔥 6 or 30 :block:dark: 6 or 30 :block:earth: 6 or 30 :block:wind: 6 or 30 :block:magma: 30
UltimaPlus Tag Healer + Bomb + Freezer OPB :heal: 25 %

16-20

Freezing: medium

Stealing: low

:dmg:earth: 2-3 :dmg🧊 2 :dmg:wind: 2 :dmg🔥 2-3 :dmg:dark: 2 :dmg:water: 2-3 :dmg:light: 2-3 :dmg:magma: 2 -
Phoenix Quill Heal OPB :heal: 100% - -

tier 7: done

Item Role Value Attack stats Defence stats
* Gorgun Freezer OPB Freezing: 100%

(attack 8)

:dmg:dark: 4 :dmg🧊 4 -
* Recycle Blaster Blaster OPB Blast into Recycled Wad - -
Item Hunters Bomb Attack (semi-breakable) 45-63

Curse (100 turns): Scorched Skin

:dmg:earth: 5 or 7 :dmg🧊 5 or 7 :dmg:wind: 5 or 7 :dmg:light: 5 or 7 :dmg:magma: 5 or 7 :dmg:physical: 5 or 7 :dmg🔥 5 or 7 :dmg:dark: 5 or 7 :dmg:water: 5 or 7 -
Panzer Hydra Blade Attack + Heal 21-24

:heal: 7 %

:dmg🔥 7-8 :dmg:earth: 7-8 :dmg:physical: 7-8 -
Fruit Bone Dagger Attack 34-44

Boosts strength & speed +15

Stealing: low

:dmg:water: 3-5 :dmg:earth: 3-5 :dmg:wind: 28-34 -
Flayed Lord Breastplate Shield 60-180

Boosts defence 25

- :block:physical: 6 or 30 :block🔥 6 or 30 :block:dark: 6 or 30 :block:earth: 6 or 30 :block:wind: 6 or 30 :block:magma: 30
UltimaPlus Tag Healer + Bomb + Freezer OPB :heal: 25 %

16-20

Freezing: medium

Stealing: low

:dmg:earth: 2-3 :dmg🧊 2 :dmg:wind: 2 :dmg🔥 2-3 :dmg:dark: 2 :dmg:water: 2-3 :dmg:light: 2-3 :dmg:magma: 2 -
Phoenix Quill Heal OPB :heal: 100% - -

Still need to get some numbers on these-

tier 8

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Item Role Value Attack stats Defence stats
Scientist Specs Freezer V A D
* Recycle Blaster Blaster OPB Blast into Recycled Wad - -
Item Hunters Bomb Attack (semi-breakable) 45-63

Curse (100 turns): Scorched Skin

:dmg:earth: 5 or 7 :dmg🧊 5 or 7 :dmg:wind: 5 or 7 :dmg:light: 5 or 7 :dmg:magma: 5 or 7 :dmg:physical: 5 or 7 :dmg🔥 5 or 7 :dmg:dark: 5 or 7 :dmg:water: 5 or 7 -
Panzer Hydra Blade Attack + Heal 21-24

:heal: 7 %

:dmg🔥 7-8 :dmg:earth: 7-8 :dmg:physical: 7-8 -
Arrow Harpoon Role Value Attack Defence
Item Defenders Shield R V A D
UltimaPlus Tag Healer + Bomb + Freezer OPB :heal: 25 %

16-20

Freezing: medium

Stealing: low

:dmg:earth: 2-3 :dmg🧊 2 :dmg:wind: 2 :dmg🔥 2-3 :dmg:dark: 2 :dmg:water: 2-3 :dmg:light: 2-3 :dmg:magma: 2 -
Phoenix Quill Heal OPB :heal: 100% - -

tier 9

Item Role Value Attack stats Defence stats
* R V A D
* Recycle Blaster Blaster OPB Blast into Recycled Wad - -
Item Hunters Bomb Attack (semi-breakable) 45-63

Curse (100 turns): Scorched Skin

:dmg:earth: 5 or 7 :dmg🧊 5 or 7 :dmg:wind: 5 or 7 :dmg:light: 5 or 7 :dmg:magma: 5 or 7 :dmg:physical: 5 or 7 :dmg🔥 5 or 7 :dmg:dark: 5 or 7 :dmg:water: 5 or 7 -
Panzer Hydra Blade Attack + Heal 21-24

:heal: 8 %

:dmg🔥 9-11 :dmg:earth: 9-11 :dmg:physical: 9-11 :block:light: 11-15
Malignant Rift Staff Attack V A D
Item Defenders Shield R V A D
UltimaPlus Tag Healer + Bomb + Freezer OPB :heal: 25 %

16-20

Freezing: medium

Stealing: low

:dmg:earth: 2-3 :dmg🧊 2 :dmg:wind: 2 :dmg🔥 2-3 :dmg:dark: 2 :dmg:water: 2-3 :dmg:light: 2-3 :dmg:magma: 2 -
Phoenix Quill Heal OPB :heal: 100% - -

tier 10

Item Role Value Attack stats Defence stats
* Intricate Energized Helmet R V A D
Captured Eternal Flame R V A D
* Recycle Blaster Blaster OPB Blast into Recycled Wad - -
Panzer Hydra Blade Attack + Heal 21-24

:heal: 8 %

:dmg🔥 9-11 :dmg:earth: 9-11 :dmg:physical: 9-11 :block:light: 11-15
Malignant Rift Staff Attack 36-41 attack
12-20 defence
:dmg:magma 6-8 :dmg:wind: 9-10 dmg:dark: 15 :dmg:water: 6-8 :block:magma: 6-10 :block:dark: 6-10 :heal: 9%
Blackmoons War Plate Shield V A D
UltimaPlus Tag Healer + Bomb + Freezer OPB :heal: 25 %

16-20

Freezing: medium

Stealing: low

:dmg:earth: 2-3 :dmg🧊 2 :dmg:wind: 2 :dmg🔥 2-3 :dmg:dark: 2 :dmg:water: 2-3 :dmg:light: 2-3 :dmg:magma: 2 -
Phoenix Quill Heal OPB :heal: 100% - -

tier 11

Item Role Value Attack stats Defence stats
* Intricate Energized Helmet R V A D
* Volatile Energized Mecha R V A D
* Recycle Blaster Blaster OPB Blast into Recycled Wad - -
Soma Tablets Blaster OPB Blast into Empty Pillbox (?) - -
Paintbrush Blades R V A D
Malignant Rift Staff Attack+Heal :heal: 9%
40-42 attack
14-20 defence
:dmg:magma: 7-8 :dmg:wind: 10 :dmg:dark: 16 :dmg:water: 7-8 :block:magma: 7-10 :block:dark: 7-10 :heal: 9%
Reviver of the Lion R V A D
Phoenix Quill Heal OPB :heal: 100% - -

tier 12

Item Role Value Attack stats Defence stats
* Intricate Energized Helmet R V A D
* Volatile Energized Mecha R V A D
* Recycle Blaster Blaster OPB Blast into Recycled Wad - -
Soma Tablets R V A D
Cronus Blade R V A D
Manifesting Weapon R V A D
Reviver of the Lion R V A D
Phoenix Quill Heal OPB :heal: 100% - -


my notes as I go Remember to mod your weapons! Adding crystals is very helpful and often very cheap. Bless - (including freeze protection) Attack -

Item notes

* - any NVLB who needs these, ping me and I'll send them (as long as I have the tokens).

* Blackmoon Hand Blaster - Blaster OPB Changes one OPPONENT weapon into a Cube: bomb OPB :dmg:physical: 13. NOTE -- at low tiers this may be a stronger bomb than they already have!

* Recycle Blaster - Blaster OPB Changes one OPPONENT weapon into a Recycled Wad: attack :dmg:physical: 0-1. This is seriously useful because they'll keep trying to use a useless thing against you!

* Phoenix Quill - Heal OPB :heal: 100 % NOTE -- 100% may be overkill at low tiers. A different healer may be cheaper! Check out the other listed OPB healers for your Tier, and compare to your HP.

* Blade of Sacrifice - attack Note this drains your HP as you use it, 1% per round. Mod with Healing Crystal if this worries you; but using in combination with the Stinging Gauntlet which has a heal of :heal: 15 HP will more than make up for the HP drain, as long as your Hitpoints are under 1,500 (and if they are that high, why still use Tier 3 weapons).

Make items with Battle Shop Tokens * * Good luck getting the tokens, though! Battle Quests are your best bet.

Battle terminology and scroll/weapon roles
BombOnce per battle, a strong attacker
FreezerOn the next round, stops the enemy from using any weapons or scrolls
BlasterFrom the next round onwards, destroys/changes one of the enemy's weapons
AttackerDoes damage to the opponent; usually can be used for all rounds (infinite use) or for several (semi-breakable) during the course of the battle
ShieldReduces the amount by which the enemy's attack lowers your hitpoints
HealerRestores your hitpoints
StealerTakes one of the opponent's weapons; you can use it during that battle. Caveat emptor!
OPBOnce Per Battle: an item/scroll which can only be used during one round of a battle
InfInfinite Use: an item/scroll which can be used during any/all rounds of a battle
Semi-BreakableAn item which can only be be used for a few rounds of a battle, until it "breaks"; then it's off-limits until the next battle.
BreakableAn item which can be used for any/all rounds of a battle, until it breaks -- and then it is gone forever.
Single-useAn item which can be used for only one round of one battle, and then it is gone forever.


[edit] Seems editing is working for me though :O, was here

is fighting with scode and an unresponsive Edit button!

Sep 19, 2018 7 years ago
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I'm trying (and failing) to remember what I used at earlier Tiers - and just 'cause I used them doesn't mean they were any good! lol.

I know I had pretty much from when I started battling, but that was probably because I started battling very late and it's not really a budget item. I used at Tier 8

There were a few other items I used regularly from 5/6 (Demonic Blade, Massaquerade, Gate Keeper Collar of Slavery, Lightbulb Nunchucks, Steamwork Hunting Gun), but that was mostly because I could get hold of them, not that I'd thought through why!

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Sep 23, 2018 7 years ago
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Apparently I'm missing out on this ...

Also (caveat: I am not a battler) for other extremely occasional coliseum visitors: I got away with using a every round for like four or five tiers. I think I made it on the super-cheap... I didn't have even 1mil pure to invest in battling back then.

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Sep 24, 2018 7 years ago
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Phoenix Quill is definitely worth the investment :P It can be used by any pet in any tier. Probably the most important weapon you can buy.

Oct 21, 2018 7 years ago
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Got my five on the damned Patch Goblin, but I can't even do one Wolve.

... Also I got bored of clicking before I got that mandatory armour battle into my tier. It doesn't eventually start bleeding doubloons or something...?

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Nov 7, 2018 7 years ago
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Hnng. How do you get the 75 Extremely Hard tokens needed for to make a without already having good weaponry? Just about all of mine have been from Battle Quests that got lucky. Can't beat Saggi, General Error, or Sandragon; can't even beat Major Drills or Mathis never mind Olivette and Lukien! Sulk.

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Nov 7, 2018 7 years ago
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... I keep forgetting to visit Lukien. D:

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Nov 7, 2018 7 years ago
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Battle Quests are definitely the best way - as well as picking up tokens, the EXP is definitely worth it and the more your stats increase, the more opponents you can beat, the more EXP you get ;)

What Tier/weapons are you using? I might have some I can lend you, although I in no way have great weapons! If you're using Flufftoes. I'd recommend focusing on health big time - the longer you can last in a battle, the greater chance of beating them.

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Nov 7, 2018 7 years ago
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ooh, thanks for coming to help at my grumble!

I do Battle Quests up to level 20 every day, and occasionally get up to 24 if I'm lucky with opponents. Yep, T10 Flufftoes is my battler; the other four pets will have a go at opponents for their loot, and I'll grind for Amulets and Tomes if I'm in the mood, but mostly it's the owl who fights.

These are my "always" weapons: Usually combined with + one other

These are my "sometimes" weapons (vary by opponent or mood):

And my standard scroll set: 2x Cobalt Eternal 4x Fatal Fire Divine Denizhen Terra Focujin Galactic Beatdown

Ones I haven't got: recommends

Nov 8, 2018 7 years ago
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Definitely I think Health will make a huge difference, you have good weaponry and scrolls (although Aftershocks is also worth getting)

My battle pet Elenriel has these stats and getting to level 25 BQ is easy, and can also beat General Error and Flamagia in level 26-30. Overall she's not that far off your owl, but nearly double Health and it really does make BQs so much easier. Level: 758 Health: 3102 Strength: 2011 Defense: 1965 Speed: 1829

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Nov 8, 2018 7 years ago
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thanks again. I'll have a go at boosting health ... I've been aiming for 2000 in each stat before specialising, but the Training Center is taking so long these days. And it just feels inefficient to spend my Exp on Health when it costs more per point.

Level: 700 Health: 1661 Strength: 2016 Defense: 1930 Speed: 2003

Hmm, now, to buy stat boosters (expensive but reliable) or scratchcards (cheap and slow, but also for an achievement)?

Nov 8, 2018 7 years ago
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up to T9 (I think) I ignored health in terms of EXP because it was more expensive and I wanted to get more stats value for my points. But after advice from I focused my EXP exclusively on health throughout T10 and used the training centre/boosters for the other stats. Whilst I was sceptical, I completely believe it was worth it because the extra health makes much more of a difference overall to battle longevity than strength, defense or speed.

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Nov 10, 2018 7 years ago
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Investing EXP in health early will save you more in the long run because the gap between health and the other stats only continues to grow as you gain tiers. For instance, in T13 it is 4,500 EXP versus 3,000 for the other stats. That is a huge gap and why I chose to reach my endgame health before entering T13.

Additionally, investing in health will allow you to earn more EXP earlier, which mostly offsets the cost anyway. My early T9 pet is able to beat those BQ opponents you listed despite having 2k fewer total stats.

Nov 10, 2018 7 years ago
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oh that's MEGA interesting! Thank you! I'm definitely going to spend my Exp on Health from now on, then. I've also WLed the health-boosting stat boosters and started using them instead of selling them.

Yesterday I scratched 50 Calvin Blackmoon scratchcards and didn't get any health from it, but did win 6m worth of jackpots, so maybe I'll spend that on boosters. :D

Nov 10, 2018 7 years ago
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Is it good to invest in health even at Tier 4? I've been training pretty evenly so far.

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Nov 10, 2018 7 years ago
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I think you can hold off until T8 or so if you want.

Wow, congrats on the awesome scratchcard luck :D

Nov 11, 2018 7 years ago
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