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December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I would crit it too, but there are plenty of others that dont like it either, so Ill just vote the old one and butt out.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

ChillyKitten - Have you ever seen those muscle magazines? Where the men on the covers look like their muscles are inflated - well that's this guy. He's all muscle. If it wasn't muscle, it'd be one big flab and there would be no definition what-so-ever. Also, his tail is hidden behind him, so you can't really say he doesn't have a long tail for balance. His head may be a bit small, but in this case, it has to match other versions of this pet. And finally, all the other Mortikings have "bellies" - why is this one so much different?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

not really diggin' the position of the body.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I love the detail provided on this one but I do think it needs to be a tad thinner. The older one gives a sense of height, that he was tall and had to look down at you. This one doesn't portray that, but maybe that's the point. 0_o Guess I just like tall dinos

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I love it, it's charming

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

One of my favorite revamps so far. I'd like it even more if certain features of the original Mortiking were present, specifically the slightly longer neck and back spines.

I'd also like to see some tail tip action. And possibly add some contrast, I rather like the brightness of the old Mortiking. Otherwise I just love the new coloring, and the stance is perfect. Also, I think the chubbiness/muscliness is very suitable for Mortiking, I really like it.

Oh, and the expression is simply adorable. I like the eye very much.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

They're leaving until I show up, Jess. ;D

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

.net is also owned by staff, Either site is ok to use.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Eeehh, it looks really bulky and... wide. I like the previous design waaay better. T^T

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I think the other one is more evil looking. I like the art on this, but am voting for the current one. Mostly because of the snarl and and chubbyness. If we had the body shape of the current one in a pose similar to the new one(minus the snarl) it would be perfect.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Another thing about the claws - yes they seem bigger and better in the Bloodred/Glacier/Galactic versions, but those are "special-pose" versions, meaning they have more intense attributes than the common poses. If these claws were just as big as special version claws, then they wouldn't be so special... Get what I mean? ;D

Maybe the claws on the Mortikings left foot (our right) might be a little sharper, but overall, they look fine as is.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Overall I like the revamp, but I think a thing or two would be better off tweaked a bit. The snarl seems a bit too short to me, as if the Mortiking's mouth was really small. Lengthening it a bit would make it look a little more menacing, because right now it looks like it's giving everybody an "I'm-bored-go-away" snarl instead of "I'm-a-huge-freaking-dino-fear-me" snarl. It seems a little... wide to me, but I guess the previous redraws had that sort of 'wideness' to them as well... Annd... other than that it looks great. And maaan, it must be difficult giving a two-fingered dinosaur expressive "hands". They came out very nice looking.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

why is the link taking us to subeta.net and not .ws?

is this the new domain now... .net?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Tianaroo- While the trex was a big bulky creature, it was not a balloon. It's long muscular legs and giant head and tail helped to both support and keep the rex balanced. He scavenged because his short arms and giant size did not allow it to take down prey like the more slender, smaller velociraptor. While he was bulky, he was not fat for his size, infact he was all muscle, basically. he needed to be- in order to support his own weight and size.
something made up of mostly chub would find it very difficult even to scavenge, because after eating a meal it would only be weighed down even more, and probably want to sleep rather than be ferocious. I like the ferocity in the mortiking. I like it's old spirit.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I absolutely LOVE this one! The old one looks like the poor dino had been beaten with a stick. This one is definitely a mighty, muscly, dinosaur! Good job to the artist!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

It's nicely drawn, but I don't like the snarl. I liked the old seething look more.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I love how people claim they are leaving Subeta for like... 8 months, yet always have to diss the Subeta Artist's work.

If you are not planning on staying around, why do you care?

Seems like some people can't be content until they have talked crap about the hard work of others. Get off your high horse.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Nestly: Whoooo, it's mister grumpy gills! (Even though he.. doesn't have gills.. whatever) 8D
I really wanna learn how to shade like that. _
This looks so much better... although you still can't see can't see the tip of his tail Deo! XD flails

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I think it's amusing that so many people say the new version looks "overweight". Muscle =/= fat.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I would have voted for this one....but the blunt claws problem is kinda getting to me

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Wow, I really don't like this revamp. =/ I have liked al the other ones before this,but this one just donesn't work for me. As I have been reading, I completely agree with the tail concern and the apparently "chubbiness" oh this newer version. But the thing that irks me the most is it's "snarl." It looks out of place and incredibly awkward. I do like the muscular tones on this one, but it's not enough to make me vote for the new one.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

It's nice. :3 But there's just something about the old....

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I hate how improved shading = better. :/ It's not always the case, and definitely is not so for this re-draw.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Culex, you need to make your comments about the art and not the artist, or I'm going to have to ask you to refrain from commenting all together. No one is asking you to like DNA<script type="text/javascript">toolTip('userinfo_DNA_1', '

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December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

If you have some nitpicks about the pet, then feel free to share them. But you don't have to be all-out spiteful, Culex.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

even though he looks fat... the texture and art is much better. ;

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Overall I like the redraw. This is an artist's creation not an antomical study. The only thing I don't care for is the snarling upper lip. It just kind of distracts from the rest of the pet.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I love this revamp! Mortiking fan here and I approve!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Never mind, you can only vote once, no matter which site InvaderGEL's post had me confused there.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

So if we voted over on .net, it won't count here? Should I vote on both polls or is that cheating?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I love all the ART CRITICS on this site. All I have to say is make his face a little more.. menacing and a little less like Elvis' signature facial move.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

A lot of people are saying this guy is too muscular or too fat and is unable to move. However, keep in mind that the largest carnivorous dinosaur - the T-rex - could only reach speeds of 15-20 mph, it was clumsy and slow. The reason for it's survival was its bulky frame, weight and size which allowed it to take down wounded or weak prey, but mainly scavenge. If the Mortiking was ever compared to something in real life, it'd be more like the T-rex or some other big carnivore which would have similar characteristics. That's why this guy is so big and bulky - its sheer muscle and weight to intimidate its prey. The Velocotor, on the other hand, is the one with speed, hence why it's smaller and sleeker (even the name sounds like it comes from "velocity"). Yeah.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

The art is much improved over the old version, but this looks much to tubby. (I know it's supposed to be muscle. But it looks like fat.)

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

http://www.subeta.ws/explore/polls.php?act=vote&poll=78 Here's the URL on .ws for anyone who doesn't want to have to log in to .net. I have no idea if the staff will be counting votes from both sites, though, so you may wish to pop over to .net anyway.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I do agree that the claws don't look the least bit sharp. One of the nice thing about the old one was how the nails looked like golden razor blades. I like the weightiness of the tail, but it's weird how you don't see some of the length hanging behind it's legs. I also agree that the black around its eye needs to be more triangular and sharp, and I don't like the snarl. It looks like it goes so far up that the mortiking has an invisible hand pulling up its lip in a fake smile.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

-points down to WolfBoots comments-

I second what she said. That's exactly what I wanted to say but couldn't come up with the words for

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Is that supposed to lead me to the log out session thing? -gonk-

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Looks like another typical DNA-drawn creature. Hate it. Too fat. Mouth looks ridiculously tiny. Is there a reason why the back spine all have to point in different directions? The tail looks all right though, and properly anatomically muscled, with the thick top and skinnier bottom. The rest, not at all. Like all the other DNA fat dragons.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

..and I accidentally pressed the post comment button. XD

Anyway, I didn't really have much else to say. I do like DNA's art, and she did a nice job, but I'm not in love with the new mortiking.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

-attempts constructive criticism-

Hard for me to articulate how I feel, as I'm not an artist personally. I am not a fan of the re-draw though. I appreciate that it is better quality art, but I don't think the pose is right for the mortiking. And like many have said, it looks a bit too chunky. Less like a ferocious predator, and more like a lumbering beast that couldn't scared you if it tried.

I would actually love to see the old one re-drawn in the same pose and style, but with the darker coloring of the new, and the better quality art. The old one just looks much scarier. It's claws are much longer and

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I picked the current one over the revamp. The revampâ€™s quality of art is SO much better... but it looks like an obese dinosaur.

To me, it looks like the Mortiking went from playing something soccer or basketball to becoming the linebacker on a football team. Not that it plays sports... but it looks like it went from having speed, agility, and grace to just being bulky and muscular. Predatory dinosaurs may not have all been sleek raptors, but they certainly weren't this muscular. It looks like it would have to waddle instead of run.

I think the biggest issue is how a lot of the very long proportions suddenly became very short and stocky. The neck went from being VERY long (probably too long) to almost not existing. The hind legs are in the same boat (and the face and the body...). Iâ€™m guessing this is to make it just that much more different from the Velosotor, but I still donâ€™t like it.

Finally, I like how thick the tail became, but donâ€™t like how it bends. For such a thick mass of muscle, it bends like putty just to stay in the image. Itâ€™s a very severe curve and looks painful, but Iâ€™m not sure thereâ€™s a whole lot to do about it.

That said, I would love if it had a face more like the Galactic version of this pet. It has the longer face/neck and still shows all the teeth.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I love this new redraw! But the tail is to wide

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Hmm... I'm not sure I'm a fan of the new design as far as the shape of his body/head goes, but the shading on him is GORGEOUS! I kind of wish we could have the best of both worlds... old shape with new coloration, lol. All in all I think the shading job is worth it. Kudos to whoever shaded him

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

It's an improvement but it just looks a bit stocky? I just think it shouldn't be quite so compact looking. I absolutely love the definition and the fact that it has muscles now, especially the tail and legs and I really like the stance but Longer and slightly leaner muscles would be great ^^

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

in his prime arnold schwarzenegger was as bulky as this Mortiking (no one called HIM fat)...and HE didn't topple over from having a small head...much...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Even if it's not intended to be compared to a "real" dinosaur, it should at least still look proportionate and believable in terms of anatomy. This does not.

I don't mind the fatness, but somehow it doesn't look like his feet/legs are large enough to support that kind of body mass. And I agree with others that the tail should be curved in such a way that the tip is visible; at first glance, it really does look like a stump here. But the biggest problems are in the head. It's a bit too small in itself, and the eyes do look too tiny and tired; even newer colors like Glacier and Bloodred have larger eyes than this. And the mouth is probably the worst aspect of the whole image. That tiny little sneer looks extremely out of place on a big carnivorous reptile; their mouths normally extend all the way to the back of the jaw so they can open wider and tear off big chunks of meat, etc.

As for the art itself... I didn't like the whisper-thin outlines on the Glacier Mortiking, and I don't like them on this either. Somehow the tiny delicate lines look even more out of place on a big muscular vicious reptile. And the coloring overall looks very flat. Cartoon artwork like this works better with slightly more dynamic contrasts in shading.

Kudos, however, for keeping the original color scheme and not turning it brown. Goes to show that a pet CAN still be blue or green or white without looking too identical to Dusk or Field or Arid, etc.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I think the back spines should stick out just a little bit more. =3 Other than that, I really like this revamp!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Wow, I actually like the revamp better than the original this time.

I think that's a first.

It definitely fits with the most recent colors of the Mortiking. And I'm not too big a fan of the current one - but this one I like.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

It's interesting to me that people keep saying it looks fat. the other one has no definition which in my mind made it look flabby. This one, with the details in the tail and the legs and chest looks more muscular than anything. I can see how people might go both ways on the mouth, but I kind of like the new one with the teeth exposed.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

And also, it is an annoyance to even GET at the poll, since, though I'm on .ws, it redirects to .net Shouldn't the link be universal?

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