well of course lol, i think everyone knows and realizes that lol they just still feel cheated which is understandable when you're ina position where in a plot you would've gotten the bigger prize. but thats what i mean you cant really compare the two. if you compare this to the last gelly war, far bigger success, and time over time improvements is all we can ask for with something as tricky to balance as this.

its best to keep limited things relatively limited :P. i have over 1k impossible tokens and climbing and i dont see the need for anything added to the shop right now, theres the gale force scroll which is cool, and boosters which are always loved and lots of little trinkets to resell if need be.

I'm not sure if it was a far bigger success. do you remember how many pets participated in the last gelatin war? I liked some elements of this one but I would think some things could be different and it would make it a lot better

i think in general except for the few medium-bigger battles who felt cheated this was FAR more encouraging so regardless of participation levels which I'd bet this one was higher, definitely bigger success. no one thinks it couldnt get better but better for some people is worse for others. there is drawbacks to every change that could be made.

stares at 's post My God, it's full of tokens.

You'd recommend getting a Gale Force scroll, then?

yeah, the setup right now encourages more participation, it just needs better communication so lower tier pets know to try hard, so hopefully next one will be a lot better and competitive in all tiers. I couldn't find a number from the 2014 war on total participation. I actually feel like that may have been more than this one.

As someone who's stuck in the no-man's land that is tier 9, this is oddly unfair from all angles lol. I'm not quite there yet to participate with the "big guys", so I miss out/get my ass kicked. (Especially when guys like nightlady always had their stats increased every year. She was always the carrot on the stick for me, and had her stats never changed, I'd have had a chance to battle her. Moving the goalpost when you reach it sucks.)

Conversely, I'm too big to participate with the little guys, so I miss out. (using the tier based reward system)

Had I known (or even been around because I missed it anyways,) I would have battled with my second pet that I'm training (that I just realized is now T4), and more than likely gotten a damn core. But not knowing the prize structure, I would have battled with my T9, because that's my battle pet and I would want to do as much damage as possible, thus being left out all over the place.

Prize structuring doesn't have to be an all or nothing game. There can be cutoffs and limitations that can (potentially) make everyone happy. Honestly, there's zero sense in giving a T1 pet T9 weapon. None. The tiers should be split in 3 brackets, with each bracket earning it's own "special" battle weapon reward. Something that is a decent weapon that works well with pets in that bracket.

T1-4 gets a T3-4 weapon. Not that far for the T1 player to reach T4, vs the time it would take to reach T9. (I may be in the minority, but I see that difference and think it's discouraging as hell.) T5-8 gets a T7-8 weapon. T9-12 gets a T10-11 weapon.

It can even be the "same" weapon, just different versions of it that is useful to that pet bracket. So, for example, the core would be the top prize. A "destabilized core" would be the middle prize- where it has 2/3 the stats/power, then "malfunctioning core", where it has 1/3 the power. Still works. Still has benefits for that tier, but makes sense as far as battling/rewards/goals goes.

The system as it stands overall, is good, but there do need to be tweaks. Mainly, making sure there is enough time and enough waves of something that everyone has a chance to participate.

I do like the idea of the brackets. that makes far more sense to me than giving a t9 weapon (that is only really nice because it becomes a t11 weapon) to a t1 or t2 pet.

if you couldnt participate enough to get top of t9 and had everyone know the tier structure better why would you have been able to participate enough to get top of t4? furthermore in a regular plot if a t9 played very strategically and maxed out their damage capabilities i'm certain one could win a top 75 prize.

little pets winning a core might not make sense in some aspects but it also gives them a weapon worth training to use or even better something to sell to someone who does need it make some good sp to use for whatever they please.

I didn't participate at all, because I wasn't online over the weekend.

And less people battle with a T4, than a T9. Most people haven't hit the point of seriously battling at that level. It wasn't a given, but my odds would have been better VS a tier where everyone battling is serious about it, and everyone is very competitive.

but if it had been announced better the competition would have been closer to the same, certainly not guaranteed. and next time it will be announced better.

I never said it was guaranteed. But as someone who has invested in battling already VS someone who is still new, I more than likely have better weapons, weapons that scale, the AP necessary for scrolls, etc. to make my battling efforts worthwhile. In my particular case, looking at the number of pets in T4 VS T9, and what I have available to me, I would have probably made more of an impact in a lower tier. But alas, I'll never know since I was offline anyways.

The top 5 from each is still going to keep it within the same set of people - and I have a battle pet who could use the weapon, so had I realized I could've fought with a t2 and won the weapon this time, I would've and then just made it part of my actual battle pet's weapon set until I had a pet the appropriate tier to use the genetech version of it.

I mean, now that everyone knows, it likely won't matter because the same people who have gotten them the last two releases will likely keep some low tier pets for the next war and still beat out everyone else, but the point was that in the upper tiers of pets who can use the weapon, it won't matter if they do top 5 or even top 10 because the same battlers will likely take any additional spots added up there. Look at all the people who did millions of damage and didn't make the top 10 because they /still/ didn't do enough for the tier.

and yet surely you wouldn't be the only low-mid tier battler who would think the same knowing ahead of time... it still makes for a good balance, if people want to go with their lower tier pet, theres more space at the top... if someone tries to split up well theyre at an obvious disadvantage.

I think expanding the core prizes at the top in each tier would make sense, restrict them to maybe tiers 7+ or whatever, and make it so if someone is in the top 25, they don't count. so the top 5 in tier 13 not in the top 25 overall damage top 5 in tier 12 not in the top 25 overall top 3 in tier 9-11 top 1 in tier 7 and 8

at least that gives more hope to people who aren't bottom tier and people who aren't capped or lack a lot of the weapons that the people at the top have or something.

that would just be top 35 +/- one or two people and then 2 extra each mid tier... thats not really a more sensible system.

it guarantees cores going out to more than just t13 people though. from the data we have, it looks like we have 4 t12 in the top 25 (we're missing 3 people) there's no guarantee the next 10 people are anything but t13. this would put a few more into the mid+ tiers it makes a lot more sense to hand them out to the who can use them than to the tiers who won't be able to use it.

i think it makes enough sense to get some on the market for sale, get some substantial money flowing around the economy. theres arguments for both, but if someone buys one that they wanted everyone wins. it doesnt need to be guaranteed that several t12's win one, it just has to be a possibility which it is.

They did that though - the top battler from each tier + top X overall got it. Except that we didn't realize that, so those of us with no hope in the upper tiers (because most people participating and going for it were in these tiers) are the ones who got it.

I'm never going to be in the top 5 of my battle pet's tier - not least of all because I don't have billions for a tier specific set to fight with.

I could, however, have probably hit the top of tier 2 had I known, and thus gotten a weapon that is appropriately leveled for my battle pet.

Overall, it doesn't really matter though - however they do it (if they keep this model, go back to the old one, whatever), it's not going to make a difference because now the folks who dominate the upper tiers are aware that it might be helpful to alternate and battle with one or several lower tier pets as well - so the likelihood of anyone outside of the small-ish set of Core owners ending up with one next time around is pretty low.

of the cores that went to the top 1 of each tier, have you seen any of those on the market?

top battler from tiers 1-11 got a core. tiers 12 and 13 placed in the top 25 so they got a core from the top 25 place, not for being the best in the tier. communication definitely needs to be better about it next time, but did mention that it will be. I think things would have been different if more people knew about how it was going to be ahead of time.

if you would have known and everyone else would have known, tier 2 may have been much more competitive. it's hard to say at this point.

I don't want it to turn into the top battlers taking the easy way out and fighting with lower tier pets, it defeats the entire purpose of giving the prizes to lower tier pets, which is why I suggest giving more out to the higher tier pets.

so far, i dont think so, but there are plenty for sale and its not bad for someone to have a weapon to work hard to train to use either. it really seems to me like this worked out for the best.