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May 24, 2015 10 years ago
Sopheroo
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Hyacinthe

Is there a better solution to make them available, and yet, not screw over people who bought them in the past?

I see these things as long-term goals. Things that in the long run, are going to be motivation to play the site long-term, and this is seriously a thing this site was lacking.

No hard feelings, I mean, we can go and disagree on things. I personally am ok with how this was done. Yes, it's expensive, but finding people with pirate/islander points six years after the event was near impossible, so I think we're better off that way

May 24, 2015 10 years ago
Nonchalant
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May 24, 2015 10 years ago
raPUNzel
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Thats the thing though. The people who bought them in the past bought them because they thought it was worth the price tag that was attached to it then. Just like anything that comes into a regular market, the price would decrease over time as the market progresses on and it becomes saturated with newer items.

I'm not saying "Go willy nilly and make everything 1sp" but surely a 3b+ item is a bit much even? I'm saying make it a bit more accessible to the other users.

You're preaching to the choir about long term goals though.

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May 24, 2015 10 years ago
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When The Ether was released, there weren't 5 people on Subeta with 400 million to their name. How many do you think they sold in the first day ? In the first few weeks ? Well : very few. Now there's hundreds out there.

The thing with items as expensive as this isn't to make people who have the sP RIGHT NOW to spend it, nor to make a huge sP sink, but yes to make these almost extinct items available again. It will take saving up, weeks and months. And maybe you, reading this, are not up for the journey. Ok, Subeta did something, a one thing, that isn't aimed towards you. Why are you mad ? There's 50K items on Subeta but you just want the one that wasn't made for you.

There's plenty of people that are extremelly excited to finally have a chance to buy these items, because they've already bought everything else, or because that's just how much they want them. This is high end collecting. But fret not, as there are thousands of plushies, beanbags, food items, wearables and weapons for you to collect first that will fit your budget.

You just have to accept some things are going to stay out of your grasp. You can't have everything, and you should be thankful for that as having everything sounds very, very boring. I read the news comments, I read the forums, and all I can picture in my head is a crowd of lowlife whiners going to Ferrari's headquarters complaining that they can't buy their cars, and that the brand should just "adapt to us, the customers". Well : lol.

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May 24, 2015 10 years ago
Sopheroo
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Hyacinthe

3.5B is easier to make than the 50 000 points in that event. :) I wish I was kidding, but I'm not : I stopped at about 10K points because I knew I wasn't able to make it to 20K, let alone 50K.

There is a reason why it's that expensive : it's because it was near impossible to originally attain.

May 24, 2015 10 years ago
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Holy shit. I take my hat off to those who put the dedication into getting it during the event. As someone whose sole goals are sp related, if 3.5b is easier to make, then kudos.

As I said before, I'm not really here to pick one side or another. Just more so trying to look at it from an economics perspective (and say that I won't shell out my sp on them myself). Subeta is sort of good for that even if its a very hyper inflationary economy.

also: OH MY GOD TINY DANCING GROOT.

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May 24, 2015 10 years ago
Karen
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The people tracking how much sP is on the site right now and how much has been spent aren't getting the actual numbers for the shop. sP is constantly being generated as well. I wouldn't mind seeing numbers for the actual shop posted by staff.

May 24, 2015 10 years ago
Wolf_Spirit
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But like said, it's not really an sP sink as it's causing people to hoard items/sP, and it'd take a near eternity to buy some of these items. You need new items to make it an sP sink. Old items that cost vast millions just makes things in regards to sP worse. And someone else is bang on, too. Spending millions upon millions on one single item that could gain you multiple items just feels out of sorts o.o

May 24, 2015 10 years ago
Klassikal
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The shop wasn't made with the intention of being a pure sP sink like the TC slots or the event cruise hair style.

The sP being removed is a side benefit.

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May 24, 2015 10 years ago
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Doable does not mean desirable. There's ONE single item I want out of both shops, and it's more than 100mil. It's half of the full sP I own. Sure, could I eventually work up to buy it? Yeah. But by then, why would I WANT to spend all that sP for one single item? I just spent weeks building it up, just dropping it for one minion just isn't worth it.

The reward has to be worth the effort, and I don't think it is.

The shops were advertised as releasing old items, AND an sP sink. Right now, it's only one of those.

May 24, 2015 10 years ago
Riptide
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I'm quite grateful that Subeta made previously unavailable items available again. And I don't mind the prices at all. I actually think it's quite fair. Can I afford anything right now? No. I only have like 40mil (unless I sell my hoards). However, I am definitely going to save up for things. 3.75bil per godly is quite a deal. Before, the only place I could obtain one was in my dreams... not that I dream about Subeta shifty eyes

I'm probably echoing what others users touched on, but I don't think the prices are there to convince people to want them. It's for people who wanted them but couldn't get them because they were unavailable and priceless. Now they have a fixed price and aren't limited, so the chances of me obtaining one is much easier.


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May 24, 2015 10 years ago
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Can I afford anything right now? No. I only have like 40mil (unless I sell my hoards). However, I am definitely going to save up for things. 3.75mil per godly is quite a deal.

3.75mil per godly would be quite a deal indeed. Sign me up for a dozen dozens.

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May 24, 2015 10 years ago Official
Amber
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We knew that the Islander and Pirate shops were going to suck (the prices when they were in RWP sucked too). already pointed out something I posted a few times in the SB/news comments -- the pirate/islander shops had prices at such a large range that really no matter what RWP to SP ratio we used, some items were going to get the short stick. We've learned a lot since then as far as pricing event/plot items. Something like the Reading Drive will be a lot easier because a lot of those items are below 80 points minus a few weapon-y things at 225. You won't see such dramatic jumps in prices when we add that store just because of that pretty close range!

One of the things and I agreed to before we sat down to figure out the ratio was that we weren't going to make any "special cases", everything from a particular plot would follow the same ratio and we weren't going to leave any items out.

May 24, 2015 10 years ago Official
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and I crunched soooo many numbers for this, and the price point ended up being almost identical to the price that many of the items were selling for. I was all ready to duke it out with her over the pricing and it kept working so well. Here are a couple examples I found from our chat logs:

Purple Hibiscus Barrette 350 points/27.5 mil in shops. This is now sold for 26.25 mil. Angrybeards Recipes For Avoiding Scurvy 750 points/ONE in shops for 50 mil. This is now sold for 56.25 mil.

There were some outliers, sure, but we didn't want to have different price points. Some of the pricing disparities were due to the fact that some of these items HAD already been brought back by the Hustler, so they weren't "accurate" like the rest of the items were. The weapons were originally not even going to be included, but the battle admins thought the pricing was fair enough that a few might go out to hardcore collectors, but would not saturate the market or totally screw people who did bust their humps getting them. It was either that pricing scheme or not at all for weapons.

This was designed as a way to help people finish their collections (though we did tweak after the feedback so other items could get out too, thankfully). It works out to also be an sP sink which is great, but that wasn't the intention. I think lowering the prices might actually suck more sP out, but we wanted to be fair to everyone--those who had worked for these and those who just never had the chance and still needed them.

Like most things, the intention isn't for everyone to be able to buy everything. If you needed a few things to fill out a collection, you can work on that over time and get there. Lots of these items weren't even available for sale at all, some had a dozen or so on-site. There wasn't a way to please everyone but this pricing scale worked out pretty well for the majority of items. As Amber said, it should work out better for other shops with smaller ranges. We'll tweak each ratio as need be, it isn't going to just be a uniform 75k across the board.

May 24, 2015 10 years ago
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Haha, oops. Edited. *bil :P


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May 24, 2015 10 years ago
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I don&;t want to complain about the prices. I knew they would be high, as they should be, and I think I read somewhere that the points the items originally went for were hard to earn, so I figured that would make them even more expensive? (I don&;t know much about that plot, since I wasn&;t a user back then.) I&;d certainly love for the prices to be... less, but I don&;t want to complain about them.</p>
<p>Keith has said that some things are priced to be a &quot;goal&quot; sort of deal, something you have to save up for, so I guess if I want something bad enough that&;s what I&;ll do - save up for it. A lot of the old plot prizes, like things from the Reading Drive for example, are not in user shops at all, so I guess I can just be happy that they&;ll be available eventually, even if they&;re available at such a high cost. I mean it&;ll take forever if an item I&;m wanting is priced for billions, but at least the shop is permanent so the items aren&;t going anywhere, and, hey, it&;ll give me motivation to stay active on Subeta in the meantime! I lucked out and don&;t really care for anything that&;s currently in the Antique Shop. But I know that there will be items stocked there in the future that I do want, so I&;m already saving for them in advance. And I guess I&;m cool with that. I think availability is more important to me than high prices.</p>
<p>I suppose I can see where the concern over the shop as an sP sink comes from, but maybe it&;ll work out.
I feel exactly the same. I know I'll never purchase certain items because they're way too expensive but...at least some of these are now obtainable whereas before, they weren't at all. I think it's pretty fair, because not only are the items from a rather old event, but people who never participated can still purchase these things.

And man...have you ever been to a real antique shop? It's pricey for a reason.

I mean, some of the prices could stand to be lowered a bit, but...come on. They didn't have to give us anything at all. They could just be like Neopets where if you missed a plot event, then you're shit out of luck.

A huge thank you to and for doing so much hard work for us so that it would be fair. ♥


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May 24, 2015 10 years ago Official
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FWIW it's taken well over 2 bil off site so far. Again, not the full on purpose of this, but people are definitely buying.

May 24, 2015 10 years ago
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Havoc

To get all of the books for Elfric to read, it'd require me to save 349,875,000 sPs. Not unrealistic...just time-consuming, and I'd rather spend that amount on better weapons and stat-boosting.

No wait, multiply that by 5 actually, cause I have 5 battle pets (cause intel matters): 1,749,375,000 sPs

That is not a realistic goal. That's just fucking stupid. I am not saving up to nearly 2 trillion sPs to be able to afford virtual one-use shit.

No one in their right fucking mind should or would do that.

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May 24, 2015 10 years ago Official
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Just want to point out that that's if you are buying the books full price! Books are a part of the half off direct to collection. :x

May 24, 2015 10 years ago
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Assuming I did my math right, then it'd be a total of 874,687,500 sPs.

I keep forgetting that discount thing. Probably cause it's unfamiliar still as a concept. xD

That's more achievable. It'd be like saving up for a Natasha and some 150mil weapon/scroll. Probably after i get the weapons I need, that's a goal I can work towards.

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