For someone who wasn't here for that plot, you're sure convinced it was easy. Man 5billion is chump change in comparison to the impossibility of the plot. Years later and I'm still miles away from coming CLOSE to the kind of strength I'd have needed back then to get those points, 5 bill is saveable and possible, beating those opponents? Haha, good luck with that, nope not gonna happen. Saving 5 bill? Training a pet up to the level needed AND getting a decent set of weapons? You're probably looking at close to the same amount of sP and time/effort.

I'm not really sure what the big deal of the prices. Yeah they are high, but they are obtainable. I quest and vend the tokens I made in questing, then autoprice. Yesterday I made 8mil-ish just with that. Nothing special. I just bought more than one collectible or one in just one day. Or it might take me around a week to get the highest.

I am not a battle person, but have read people who are really into it have the said the godly weapon is at a wonderful price. You can't get most of them at that. So I am not really sure what the big deal is? It is a godly weapon I would think it would seem almost unobtainable, but if you truly wanted bad enough you could work for it.

How long did the plot last?

idk a couple of weeks? Not enough time to get all the points anyway -- considering even the staff admit they distributed the points super badly and at a high difficulty. Not enough time to train or get a set of weapons and spells either. Thus the TINY group of people who managed to get the times, top battlers all of them, and maybe their friends, I don't THINK the penalties for swapping pets around existed then.

>idk a couple of weeks?

Are you saying only top battlers got items at all or did "normal" battlers have the chance to get lower priced items?

So just quickly going through the Plushies tab and rounding the prices of the plushies up, I got about 235mil for all the plushies approximately. It's probably less since I rounded up. Now If I make 1mil a day, that's 235 days, less than a year. Even if they don't play everyday and can get 5mil a week, they can get all the plushies in less than a year still. A year is not unreasonable at all. Even if I wanted all the food, stickers, books, and plushies for my collections, it's all doable in less than 2 years. For setting a goal, that's reasonable. I think a good chunk of users can make more than 5mil sP a week though xD

No, it's not "much harder" because getting points in that plot was HARD. It was a restock war, where each r45+ was worth ONE point, and where each easy battle opponent was worth ONE POINT.

As I said, I STOPPED at 11K points because there was NO WAY I could make it to 20K and I WAS PROBABLY IN THE TOP 5% SCORERS IN THAT PLOT?

Please don't assume this plot was a walk in the park, because I think the average number of points was under a thousand per user.

They could get a COUPLE LOWER PRICED ITEMS.

Not full sets for sure. Like, most people on the islander side could take like two hibiscus barrettes or something. The tribal buds were expensive (I used to own a full set) and same for the pirate plushies.

One thing I haven't seen anyone really talking about is:

The cost of creating a battle pet that was capable of earning the points needed for many of the items + the cost of the weapons needed to defeat the opponents, even with a really strong pet = way more than anything in the pirate/islander shops.

>Please don't assume this plot was a walk in the park, because I think the average number of points was under a thousand per user

Please don´t assume that I´m thinking that. How much were the prices in the shop? You say the average number of points was ca. 1000/user.

All items in the shop are at the convertion rate of 1pt = 75 000 SP. You do the maths.

HAHA, SAZE WAS IN A LEAGUE OF HIS OWN IN THAT PLOT. I think he was the one who had enough points for two swords.

But yeah. idk how much you made, but it was hXc

I was new to subeta when the war started. I didn't have a battle pet, so I had to restock. I only had 841 pts on the pirate side. I was only able to buy the Little Lime Tree Seed and a Red Buccaneer Shirt with my pts. That is it. :(

If that helps at all with an idea.

Okay, last question: How many hours per day did you have to spend on Subeta to gain ca. 1000 points?

I'm an outlier, as I was working for Subeta during the plot, but to get my 10K points with my equivalent-to-low tier 4 pet (Tiers did not exist), several, several hours a day, and I stopped before I hit my maximum potential because I was 1) bored 2) afraid to have ended up with a number of points that didn't look cool on my profile.

If I battled to maximum effort during the plot, I probably would have had 14.5K to 15K points.

I also did zero restocking so there is that

That's beastly. 800-points with restocking alone's great.

First: Thank you for answering me.

Okay, you got ca. 10.000 points in a few weeks (4 weeks? 5 weeks? how long did the plot last?)/several hours (lets say 6 hours a day. You okay with that?). That makes ca. 750.000.000 sp in a few weeks. I make ca. 4-5 million sp a day (while doing everything the site has to offer in 6 hours on free days). I would need to be on Subeta for 23,4375 weeks or ca. 5,8596 months to gain this amount of sp (keeping in mind all days are free and not working days, I´m not ill, I have internet etc.)

So.... what do you say? Who has to make the bigger effort? A few weeks compared to half a year?

I don't know exact time. I just know lots of hours, especially since I wasn't sure what I was doing either.

Well your pts were very beastly. I worked with what I had. :P

The battling parts of the plot were not that long, less than 2 weeks.

Also, what you're neglecting in your calculations is the inflation rate. SP was worth a lot more in 2009, and it was pretty much unheard of people making 6-7M a day.

Want me to go and get you numbers for the inflation rate? Because I used to have them, I can get them with a little effort if you want.

I'm seriously amazed by all of the users that had to rely on restocking for this plot. Because I sucked at restocking, back then (or rather, restocking was hard to do when you had to babysit the shoutbox)

>SP was worth a lot more in 2009, and it was pretty much unheard of people making 6-7M a day.

Yes, that´s why you are getting 75000 sp/point. The inflation rate is included when giving you this much sp/point (;

So, my question still stands: Who has to make the bigger effort? Less than 2 weeks compared to half a year?

Nah, I think people that are putting things in the shop get less than 75K per point. I think it's 50K/point?

What I talk about inflation is about the buying power of your SP. You could buy a full set of godlies in 2009 with 3B

December 2008

June 2009

February 2010

Right now, the average user has The average user has 13,663,251 sP. That's near triple the last screenshot I've posted.

A SP from now is worth a lot less than a SP from then. Meaning that yes, the prices we paid were lower, I'm not denying that, but the effort spent to get the SP was EQUIVALENT, if not superior.

We are not talking of buying power of sp. We are comparing the effort in getting the points during the plot to buy the items and the effort gaining sp in the present to buy the items. And there is a BIG discrepance between both efforts.

Please believe me, I do not belittle the effort you had to make. I criticize the staffs decicion to repeat former mistakes. You said it yourself: The points arrangement left much to be desired. And now they repeat this mistake. The users get the short end of the stick. Again.

Yeah, for most users, it went from "impossible to get these items" to "very very very hard to get them". Because yeah, some of these items were impossible for me to get. The islander items. Couldn't get them during the event. Now, I can. It's not going to be cheap for me to get them. But it's a long-term goal. I haven't had a lot of long-term goals on Subeta. Now, I do, and I am pleased.

Seriously, these items were not rereleased for the sake of having hundreds of them back in the economy over a weekend. It happened with the hustler, and it was a huge mistake.

I sold my full set of pirate plushie for 75M, by the way. 75M after the plot in 2009, would be the equivalent of around 400M today, perhaps a little bit more. I estimated with the screencaps I have, since I have nothing between July 2009 and January 2010, so I went with "the average user had around 2.5M"