Assess the whole message and respond. I do not respond to the parts I agree with. Sorry for that. I agree with your assessment: "Just because 50% of 3 weeks is 252 Hours does not mean that if you could arbitrarily spend 252 hours over a year playing subeta, you should be able to earn these items."

The fact still stands: You could attain the items in 252 hours during the plot. Today you cannot attain the items in 252 hours.

I completely agree with you that 252 hours spent over a year does not compare to spending 252 hours in 3 weeks. That wouldn´t be fair either.

I have not argued I answered a question you posed.

And talking down to members as a way of exploiting their arrogance is counter intuitive and, again, in line with stomping your feet and acting the naive child.

Sorry, bad habit of mine to call someone out on his insulting me (;

Thank you, but I was talking about the "normal" users, not the "hardcore" battlers.

The pirate and islander items had such a large range when it came to their points that it was going to suck no matter what ratio we used from RWP to sP.

That´s why I thought of another plot or game to have an alternative in getting the items. The former pricing was not well thought out as you said. And this mistake is now repeated. An alternative in getting them (which is as hard as the plot in 2009) would be an option.

NO BECAUSE I SOLD MINE PRETTY QUICK

But I know I sold the 10 pirate plushie set for 75M, tribal buds for like 6-7M a pop and hibiscus for higher because they were more popular than the buds.

Not any user could have attained all items, due to the fact you could only buy from one of the shop.

Not any user could have attained all items in a given shop, due to how long it took to get the points. At one point, the battling opponents were too tough to continue, and people had to stick to restocking, and restocking points were finite. (unlike battle points, who were infinite, but capped by your own pets stats)

Like, Matlal and the pirate equivalent were at one time, beatable with a 350-statted pet with the cash shop shields, who were expensive as hell (like 40$ or 50$ EACH?) and then, they got changed because pets too weak got lots of points on them. That was another limitation.

But holy shit, no, not everyone had the potential to make 50 000 points, because like 6-7 users did get that high. And one user got like 100 000 because he was nuts.

You're still a normal user, though. Normal users got almost nothing from the shops back then without a ton of work. Normal users are going to get almost nothing from the shop now without a ton of work.

Also, next time you spend 250+ hours in 2 weeks here, please let us know.

For people who were curious, straight after the plot, islander and pirate points were selling for around 9K per point.

Except that's not true??? The people who COULD attain the items (a good portion anyway) were generally speaking battlers. Battle pets don't materialize from nothing. They take months and years to train. So to get the points needed, you already had to have a pet able to battle and rack up the points. You can't just plop yourself in the situation and say "Oh I could have made all the points I needed within 252 hours back then" when you have to take into account the time and effort it takes to MAKE the pet who could EARN those points.

For the record my battle pet at the time had like 600 even stats, which wasn't as shrimpy as a tier 6 is today (I can say that, I have one among many others) and a really lousy set that was typical of people who didn't really care much about battling (freebies, restockables, random junk that would make me hang my head in shame if I saw it today). I battled until it was too hard, and I restocked when I had the time but I was going to college full-time then, and depending on when in 2009 I may have been working too... so the time I had to sit and grind was limited. Oh, and the lag! Why's no one mentioned that? In subeta's glory days it took some serious dedication to use the site through the lag, or you just had to use it in the middle of the night (for those of us in North American timezones).

I think I ended with like.. a couple hundred points? I couldn't buy much of anything, I remember that much.

My point is, even with a smaller pet with a crap set.. you weren't getting very far. Even if you were an epic restocker, people with good pets and good sets (gods) were going to blow you away. The casual user/casual battler was beyond screwed in that plot.

It's actually BECAUSE of that plot, that I started training up an army of pets. I never wanted to be in that position again, where I was limited by only one pet :P

THAT SAID I'D LOVE TO SEE A REMATCH OF THIS WAR :'D I'd love to see just how easy it is to earn that many points in 2 weeks time when the only thing you could do to net the points was restock or battle! ESPECIALLY when the amount of points some users earned was taken into heavy consideration when pricing everything-- can you imagine what army owners like myself would do with that plot today?

Trust me, things are better this way, with the antique shop. Not all of the prices seem ideal, but at least things are obtainable if you really want them.

I earned 500 points in the war and my battle pet was a baby back then. I know she could beat Angrybeard something like 5 or 6 times. Angrybeard was, I believe, 500 evens.

500 points got me something like 5 SMALL items. I worked really hard for that, too. So don't tell me that 252 hours could have netted me the amount of points it would have taken to get everything I wanted.

As for the prices, which this thread is about, I'm largely neutral to them. I wasn't gonna get those items before, I'm not gonna get them now. The books are something I'll probably invest in down the line, at least the ones that are on the low end. I'm sad about the Siren weapons only because they're so pretty and I should have coughed up the cash when the cruise happened. I even thought about it then.

Though the time spent on number crunching was a good idea in theory,these prices in user shops are very much greedy, infinitely inflated and quite frankly really bad examples to go off of. "OMG!!! There aren't any for sale on site! I'm going to price it ridiculously high because I'm sure that someone else will be gullible enough to pay for it just because it's such a rarity!" is usually the thought process for items like these. Player Shops is SO free a market that I find it steps way over what would be fair for item prices for rarer items. That's why I'm so surprised that the prices of items in this shop were modeled after a pricing system that has no regulated control. These prices for the plot items really aren't fair and it makes them almost as unobtainable for the majority of the items to technically unobtainable (weapons) for the general player base. Saving that much so up would take someone years if you wanted more than one item (which would be the case here) and makes this the most discouraging and unfair shop on site.

...if this plot's shop's items' prices are this bad, I'm dreading to see the RD and others... >_<

Reading the replies of the people who participated in the plot makes the Antique Shop seem more than fair tbh. In the plot, you had to work your ass off and then some, with a time restraint, and probably not even get enough points to get a few things, much less everything that you wanted. Now, you still have to work your ass off to get the sP, at your own pace (no time restraint), with the added luxury of choosing any item you want, pirate or islander. Not sure what makes this unfair.

Nevertheless I'll stand by what I said originally, that I'm still going to pretend the items don't exist, because I'll never see that much sP in my life, but that's a personal problem.

Umm how is pricing an item for 50mil when there are no others available being unfair? If no one buys it then the item will sit there and rot but if I have the only one for sale I'm going to price it high so I can get all the money possible.

These items were not obtainable before and haven't been for quite some time. The sp needed to buy most of these items is not hard to come by and with work and savings can all be had rather quickly. Even quicker if you buy and sell csc to be honest. But you don't have to and that's the glorious part of a shop like this. The items are going to be there forever so you can save up at your leisure. I'd rather have something sell for 200mil then not at all.

Quick question I haven't seen answered anywhere: how old do plots have to be to make it's way to the shop?

I wasn't around for the very first RS war, the one between Phoenix and Blackmoon (i think that's who it was between). Did that war have prizes besides the WoTP and all? Will those come back?

This is a good question and I'd like to know the answer, too. Woops, answered as I typed this. cx

But I'd also like to ask: do you guys have any plans already as to when you'll be adding other prizes to the Antique Shop? I know there will be others, but is there like... a time frame? (I mean, not anything super specific, I don't want the details.)

That's called greed and makes people quite unpopular. But then again, it's your conscience. If you think it's okay to take as much as you possibly can from someone, then bully for you. I do hope that you have a re-think of your choices, though.

Again: How is that greed? If I have one of the few copies of a rare item I'm not going to sell it for 5mil sp just because someone wants it. Chances are I worked hard for that item in the first place and want that effort to be rewarded.

Market value is what it is. I'm not going to make sp to buy stuff I want by being nice to everyone and giving everything away for free or next to nothing.

That's called greed and makes people quite unpopular. But then again, it's your conscience. If you think it's okay to take as much as you possibly can from someone, then bully for you. I do hope that you have a re-think of your choices, though.

Running to reprice everything in my shop for 1000 points so everyone can afford it and my concious can be clean!

This is just a silly argument. If someoone thinks an item on the SS is overpriced they probably can comment that person and ask if they are willing to accept less.

A bully is not someone who prices an item at 50 mill because no one else is selling it. A bully is "a person who uses strength or power to harm or intimidate those who are weaker." That is how the economy works you price high and then reduce until you find the perfect price aka the price people are willing to pay. You can't do that without gauging. It would be pointless to price low from the get go.

what the serious fuck did I just read