I hoped we would get an apero or a fine dinner with our purchase. Now, I feel like it's a "bring your own wine" dinner. You won't get my sP Subeta and I'll continue to hoard it just like Smaug and his terrible basement.

Or Jeremy and all his CWs.

I actually like this c:

Prices of CSC/CGC are dropping far faster than I'd ever seen them drop before. People are using any way they can to liquidate their items so they can get more sP to buy items. Subeautique Invitation prices are also dropping, and suddenly the Advertising forums are having huge sales, with people desperate for more sP.

While this may not yet have worked as a sP sink, it's definitely working as a deflation tool, and very effectively too. For newbies, even if they think they can't attain the items in the Antique Shop, at least there are a lot of other things that have dropped in price for them to attain.

Edit: Also since sP has become more "valuable", maybe it will become more likely that coders/artists/writers would accept sP as a form of payment, rather than insisting on CSC as often. Hopefully this will allow the player-creation market to be a little more active again.

As for the sales, I don't really pay attention to Advertising very often but I do have a 50% sale going (though it's not sudden, I had a 30-50% sale last month and the thread died out). It's not that I'm desperate for sP, it's because I'm desperate to get rid of all these stupid wearables from the achievement (I had 12k items for sale when I started) I highly doubt people are "desperate for sP" just to buy these items immediately.

sP won't become more valuable without viable sP sinks, and while goals are nice, I still think these are set too high and the users out there that have the billions of sP to spend on these items aren't even willing to buy them. I could probably afford most if not all of the items I want (haven't added them up though, or trimmed my WL at all and I probably could), but (aside from the fact that I'm working towards a saving goal right now) it's still a hell of a lot more than I'm willing to spend at one time :L [edit] Forum point. Guess either the site agrees with me, or just plain approves of long-winded posts

That's probably more to do with the reduced SBQ restocks. People aren't going to buy invitations if they haven't used the ones they've already got.

The prices are huge but, as many have said, I couldn't get them before because I didn't have the plot points and I can't get them now because I don't have the sPs so not much has changed for me.

I've just checked my richest user ranking and it hasn't gone up since the Antique Shop opened. This suggests that nobody above me has spent billions on these items.

This. I'm the 176th richest user on the site, just like I was right before the shop opened. The people who have the sP to waste don't seem to be spending their sP here (I know I sure as shit am not lmao).

Look, I bought every single wearable from the Peka-Boo festival that I could with sP; I bought every single item I could put on my body from Skitters when I got the chance. I'm not afraid to drop sP in the name of stocking my wardrobe. But I am not buying a single thing out of that shop because the items in there are just not worth the time and effort I'd need to spend to feel comfortable buying even one flower barrette.

Funny thing - some people will pay 50mil for a food items that will go poof in one second, but will not pay 27 mil for a wearable that they want and can sell it later..

About the weapons, let's be honest, the stats are bad, the wear is ugly, and the item art is so basic, so all you can do with it is to put it in your pet's TC or gallery and no one will see it but you anyway..

It's not an sPs sink when users are being encouraged to actually hoard more sPs in order to buy these items.

This would only work as a sink if, as @ lexx mentioned, the prices are attractive to a large amount of players instead of just a single minority group (aka, billionaires).

also by making the prices lower, users will be able to spend more sPs on many items at once, instead of just being able to purchase one item.

If the goal is to get billionaires to spend sPs, thus delete it out of the market, you have to create new items to entice them.

I'm gonna begin with saying that I'm really glad wears and etc. were added in, for Item Hunt purposes at least.

Otherwise... uh. I pretty much have almost all the wears in there on my WL, but I have a lot of other stuff too. For example, if the Hibiscus Barrettes had been 10, or even 15mil, I'd have set myself a goal like buy one every month, or something. It's ok, I guess, it just means something that could've sunk a fair chunk of my SP... won't.

Not even touching the 75mil flowers lbr. :/ I'm kind of really disappointed, to be honest. shrugs

• Csc drops because there is a bonus weekend and this probably causes more people to sell their stuff.
• Tique invites drop because there are hardly any restocks, or low quantities in restocks. What's the point of invites if there is nothing to buy?
• There are always huge sales on the advertising forum.
• I don't see why people would be desperate out of sudden for sP if the shop stays around?

Anyway, I don't like the prices and thus won't buy a damn thing. Subeta isn't getting my money.

Pretty sure there is some basic economical principle with a graph and two lines with how high prices have to be to make people spend but high enough to achieve maximum profit. I know I learned it somewhere in economics at some point.

Yeah, I'm sorry - but even with my billions I'm not dropping that kind of sP on items, and I need them for TCs and stuff. Its just not going to happen. Its a good idea, and I am all for it - kudos to those who want to spend that kind of money - I am personally not one of them. I got the items I needed years ago, and so I'm never going to buy anything out of the shop. Ever.

In achievement, there is "achieve"

If people are not willing to accept not everything is going to be handed to them on a platter, they have to take a step back and look at the bigger picture.

This site is not just about "you" and what you're willing to pay. This site is about you, and thousand of other players, some of them who bought these items for high prices in the past and would rather not feel screwed over.

I paid a fortune for high rarity Alegarten items a couple years ago and seeing them being rereleased for 300K was a dick move from staff. I'm happy that with this, they're trying to keep both rarity and worth. The high prices is because they DO NOT WANT THE MARKET TO BE FLOODED.

Agreed. I dont expect things to be handed to me - but at the same time, if I don't urgently 100% need something (read: Beanbags) then I'm not going to shell out more than say, 5 million for it? And thats only if I decide "Actually, no I really do want this and its worth it to me."

By no means and I saying "Fuck the people who have paid hundreds of millions for that item." I'm just saying, because of the prices & because I don't really need anything, only vaguely want it, I wont be spending the sP. I didn't spend it years ago when the shop didnt exist and I wont spend it now.

Although, I did have a laugh when one of the items was cheaper on the Shop search with like 20 for sale, than it was in the NPC shop. That amused me. It was like 30 mil cheaper.

I understand the concern with the prices, but most of these items hardly existed on site anymore, so being able to get them for a high price is a HUGE improvement. The problem is, unless every item cost less than 5m, people would complain they're too expensive. So what's the solution? Sell super rare items that were sold for hundred of millions in the past, for a few millions so every player can get them? In that case some people would just buy every item they need when they're released, and totally forget about the shop's existence until something else is released. I like to have goals, instead of hoarding sp for no reason at all.

I can't see how having ONE feature between a lot of new main shop items, event items, etc being more for the richer users is a bad thing. The game gets boring when you can get everything that is released in minutes, you know.

If you feel the prices are too high, then don't buy them. It's not like staff fucked up, since before the antique shop you wouldn't get the items anyway, and even less for 5m. You still have the option to get the items the old way. If you prefer searching people who maybe have it for sale (searching in old forum posts, highscores, etc), sending hundred of smails to get 5 replies in a few months saying "not selling sorry", and finally finding a seller a year after you started looking for the item to get it cheaper, you can still do it! This shop doesn't stop you in any way. So no, having an option to get them for a nice sum of sP isn't worse than that.

I needed most of the Islander items for a pet TC I have planned, and before the Antique Shop happened, I pretty much said to myself "okay I'll pretend these items don't exist because there's no way I can get my hands on them anyway." Then the Antique Shop opened and I had a glimmer of hope for a second, until I saw those prices and I'm back to pretending the items don't exist. :x Hibiscuses? What hibiscuses? Nope.

I can't spend more than half my sP on a grass wrist decoration... Congrats to the people who can afford it ~ Or... Wait... No.. It seems like most of the multi-billionaires aren't buying either. What is this. xD

I think the problem comes from applying an sP value to these just based on how much they cost during the war.

[User=Amber] has specifically mentioned that the prices were so far across the board ranging from 2 to 750. If the sP prices had been determined individually I think it would have made more sense. (Like honest 50+ million for red grass ankle wraps, 75 million for a blue tribal bud?)

Other than that, the idea of creating a shop that gives ulimiyed access to items that had little to no stock left was great.

You guys wanted an sP sink. I think you got one.

I think that the staff is on the right track here. But the question that remains is how effective it is as a sP sink. If lower prices causes more sP to be removed from circulation, then the staff should definitely consider lowering prices for the next batch of items they add in (although, some godlies should remain an exception to this as others have stated). And of course, I hope that spending achievements are added as well.

I literally was learning about that graph in economics last week. Too bad I wasn't paying attention to it. Something about marginal cost, opportunity cost, average total cost and conflictions between the supply and demand curve (which is rather relevant here regardless).

What subeta has is the problem of there being a high demand for an item... but not at those prices. All the supply in the world, but not the market to purchase those since it really only applies to a select few hundred of users. So thus the demand curve has shifted to the left, causing the market for it to shrink. Of course, subeta has a less than perfect economy so what am I talking about.

A friend of mine has 10m, she wants a lot of those items. Obviously she can't afford them and thus has gone back to pretending they're unavailable because it is a huge task to gather that much sp together for one item.

Subeta is trying to attract the users with the higher amount of purchasing power, the people who to them, 50m is like a drop in the bucket. Not the people who save to 50m and then blow all of their sp on the item since they can only go so far to buy a single item.

You can make it a 'goal' all you want, that still won't make people want to buy them once they reach that goal. The people who have 10m will get to 50m and say 'Wait a second... look at all this other stuff I can buy with this sp... a lot more items for 50m instead of just one.'

I'll keep my billions. Rapunzel going back to her tower now.

The drop in CSC price is unrelated to this. In fact, a drop in csc rate means you'd have a sell more CSC in order to make the same amount of sp. SubQ invite price is related to restock rates and the fact the market has been saturated with SubQ items.

The thing is they dont need people to buy plushies and books. Once 1 or more people buy a weapon it will easily overshadow the poverty millions removed from almost every other sp sink combined, which i think is an odd move.