Yeah, pinged me and I can't see his post. way to go, subeta

(I'M SORRY MIKE)

Its a sign.. just saying

Not the only thread this has happened too

But, IMO, the best way to go about this is for people to just spend extra on CSC. The money is obviously being re-invested in to the site, which includes the recode. And the costs of maintaining the site don't go up the more csc people buy, so the extra money will be there. We don't need to know exact dollar amounts, but we do need to be sure that people who would otherwise buy csc aren't neglecting that because they ONLY want to fund a re-code. Then the site loses it's operating money and then we're worse off, ya know?

Aside from that, most people here seem a heck of a lot more eager to get prizes of things they specifically want versus being eager to actually fund a recode and have the site... actually be recoded. The foundation of KickStarter isn't exactly to get awesome prizes, it's to help fund something that you support. The prizes are not necessary and the idea shouldn't be about people having to get exactly that thing they've wanted on site in return in order to support it. Maybe someone should make a second thread instead of like ideas for cash only additions to the cash shop like said.

But again I think all in all, subeta has a suitable way for people who want to pour there money in to a site to help it out, to do just that. They already get awesome prizes in the value of over 50m equivalent in game currency per $10 spent, which can be spent on anything they see fit. But if it's solely about getting those special prizes like 10 more pet slots over the already near 50 max, or having an NPC/non-wearable item made to your specifications, I think that totally loses direction from the idea of fundraising :/.

Buying CSC allows subeta to increase its operational funds (events, fixes, updates) and pour it into rainyday fund (Scarsdales' words).

The platform/base is broken. The staff is doing a good job fixing and patching crap back together, but you can only go so far. The underlying theme seems to be that it needs a recode. Users see it and thats why we are considering a funds drive.

Whether the staff thinks its doable or not, its their call. but man, people can only put up with shit for so long.

I think you are still failing to see why people are wanting this.

Some users are at a standstill-- the battlers, the pet lovers... they want things to spend money on. They have plenty of CSC and sP as it is. They have nothing to spend it on, so pumping more cash in purely for the sake of, "I hope this goes to the recode" isn't cutting it. Hence a fundraiser that gives LIMITED TIME perks. Something that (hopefully) will be a once in a "lifetime" deal. That tends to get people excited, even if they aren't at that point already, while giving those who are something to spend some extra cash on. AND they know that its going towards the recode.

I don't think there is failure to see why people want it, everyone understands a recode is wanted/needed, but it has turned into a bit of a silly bugger fest at this stage, and some people have some venomous tongues in regard to the site, so not sure why they are still here if they detest it and the staff so much. I'm seeing a lot of I wants and that's about it, and what percentage is "some users?" There's a lot involved in fundraising for a business, I would wager, and one really needs to have everything sorted out in the real world before anything is truly decided. I feel like there's some tax issues that would probably need to be addressed as it might be a fundraiser for the site, but I bet it is still income to the company and considered taxable, but I don't pretend to understand how those things work, I just think there is a lot more than make 40k. (So way before you even find some people to do the work.)

Also, in response to people seeming to think that the money is being misused (eh?) and paying for holidays... I would assume this is Keith's main source of income, therefore, it probably does pay for his holidays, as that is what one's income does. Equally, I highly doubt the staff or the owner would misuse the funds as this is a source of income, for some, it may be their sole source of income too, so sabotaging that, not likely (not saying it doesn't happen, but I highly doubt that is going on and some people have some wild imaginations.

It seems to have come down to let's all just be rude to the staff for not moving fast enough. Even if this got the go ahead, you'd still be waiting quite a while, it won't be fixed over night and a fundraiser isn't a guaranteed fix.

To me, it's pretty clear that there is no recode happening, at least now the kind of recode that many users want and expected in the past (which was third party professional/skilled programmers reworking the site's foundation).
To me, it seems obvious that the money the site gets from CSC is just covering the basic expenses, now the $40k or so that himself would be needed to do said recode:

Obviously the money people spend on CSC is going to the site's bills. If it wasn't, I am sure the people that work for Subeta would leave and find jobs that do pay them. But for Subeta to grow, for Subeta to be, as the owner himself put it, brought up to 2015 standards... more money than is currently coming in is needed.

I get that, but if people do want to have a recode they can spend more money than they are now and subeta will have that money faster than if they have to do a fundraiser with new prizes that take time and money to make. that's my main point

To reiterate: What I'm saying is that, if everyone here who is willing to donate to a recode, instead of asking for special prizes, accepted the already generous csc offer, and bought csc, that rainy day fund would have the funding for the recode. Obviously, with things as is, the recode isn't being funded because all these people that want to pay for it, aren't. But that won't happen, because what some people really want is other special things to buy with real money, not to donate to a recode. The money is being reinvested in to the site, otherwise the site wouldn't be here, it can't run for 10 years on hot air. If people want a recode, spend more to fund it, you get your csc and all the value that comes with it, and eventually you get your recode. It's something the site owner wants so it's obviously going to happen somehow eventually, even if slowly with just the staff that's here already, which isn't ideal. But, if you all want it so badly and have money to spend on the site, make it happen sooner... You don't need a transparent fundraiser with awesome tiers of prizes to do that, at all.

Actually that was exactly my point, to those people it's not about fundraising for a recode, it's about buying new things on site with real money, which has nothing to do with the main topic of this thread.

... Please go back and read what you just put, because, frankly, it sounds asinine. Do you REALLY think that everything will be peachy? Let $40k be put into CSC and NO ONE will want it because it will be the prevailing currency on the site. It wouldn't hold its value. (We saw this on Flight Rising in the early days, when no one had treasure, but everyone had gems. So you were getting $5 of gems for less than 3k treasure.)

Did the math for you. If we suddenly had people spend $40k on CSC, we would have 8billion CSC flood onto the site... if not more. :/

Well taking your analogy, let's say I'm in a grocery store I frequent. It's a small grocery store, and I get all the things I want/need and go up to the cashier, and they have a jar for a fund to fix their roof. I put back a piece of candy I grabbed and give that money to the roof fund. All the money that goes for my groceries is divided into parts, to keep the electricity on, the store running, get in new things. But the money I put into that jar goes SPECIFICALLY to the roof fund.

Same thing applies to Subeta.

For those of you that aren't buying CSC because there's nothing to spend it on, would that change for you after the recode? Assuming the same types of items are still stocking, would you have a reason to start spending CSC?

If not, then where does that leave Subeta? Is it possible that after 10 years, Subeta will finally be at a point to start drawing in hoards of new members to spend money on the site? Because if it doesn't, then that $45,000 you just invested in the site will essentially be written off as a loss. Sure, the site will run better, but it will be no better off financially.

Just something to think about.

Another thing to consider is that Subeta/Keith has told users multiple times in the past that a recode was "in the works" only for it to never come to be. As the saying goes "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me". I can't blame users to being gun-shy about continuing to put their money into buying things CSC in hopes it will somehow make Subeta better overall, when you consider that...

Until the recode happens I am just fine buying stuff with SP though

:P @

~ Keith said himself that CW's did create a loss in the CS, though. But I get what you're saying.

Well, no, it's not. Right now, on this site, when I put money in I know exactly what I'm doing and what I'm getting in return. If I'm going to be asked to do invest additionally, I'm going to certainly want more details and information. That isn't to say that I think it'd can't be done, though. I like the idea of it being done alongside the reward/event system already in place.

Yes, but one person working on recoding Subeta who also has to work on everything else while running the site... it can take a long time, years is not unreasonable. The money clearly goes to the site, regardless of what some people think. Just because you can't see how much exactly goes to every detail, doesn't mean nothing is happening.

And I'm not saying that again, because it really isn't worth it anymore.

Also, yes it generates a lot of CSC in the market, but you can't guarantee that all of it would wind up being sold or unused or whatever, and they aren't going to make $40k on CSC in one day or anything, I doubt.

You are entitled to your own opinion, but its a wrong one. If the site just siphons off money each month, the recode will be ready in 5 years, wtf's the point in that. Buying extra csc each month does not build capital in the way this fund drive would.

Understand that a recode is meant for building the site from the ground up. You cant just start recoding parts and attach them together. doesnt work like that.

Yes. And that is the point. People are hesitating because they feel at this point they are just putting money into a sinking ship (true or not its an entirely different argument)

I think this thread has gotten a little sidetracked, ohh well. At least it's back up :P

This topic was brought up to bring additional funds to Subeta to specifically allocate to redoing the code. Like the said with the leaky roof analogy.

The site needs a huge amount of funding in order to get the foundation of the site up to date. Will that take awhile - hell yes it will. There's a lot of code. But without the additional funding nothing will happen.

Me buying up $500 cash shop credit in one swoop doesn't help the site in the slightest in the long run. Bolded for emphasis. I'll be sitting on those credits for a very long time and won't spend any more money on the site until I use up that pile.

Me putting $500 to the fund directly related to the coding helps build up that fund. Since I DID NOT get any cash shop credits for my purchase I will still have to put more money towards the site if I want to get any. Will a lot of people forgo buying cash shop credits if they donate towards this fund? Sure. But I don't think it will dry up as much as some people are thinking. As long as CWs are still a thing and items get released to the shop like they do right now people have an incentive to still donate normally.

And yes, as I said in another post, it's clear that money being spent on CSC goes to the site's basic bills: The site itself is up and running. One can assume that payroll is being paid since staff continue to work.

There is a big difference between making enough money to stay afloat (now) and making enough money to improve.

It's a lot like people that live paycheck to paycheck versus people that make enough money to save. Sure, the people living paycheck to paycheck have the same basic needs being met as the person saving for retirement/whatever. But the quality of their lives are very different.

And I think the quality of gameplay here on Subeta could be vastly improved if the site was recoded the way it should have been years ago. For me, the site staying afloat just isn't good enough anymore...

This site is has a well established user base and market, csc has a long term trend of pretty rapid inflation. I'm not sure how you got 8 billion csc, my math came out to 4 million, which is a lot, but it's not like people are going to spend $40k extra in a day, whether or not we had an official fundraiser this is obviously something that's going to take a long time to fund, and then longer to do.

I've never seen such a thing to be perfectly hoenst. Business's in general have that sort of thing built in to their plans, like subeta's rainy day fund. If they get more money, there'll be more to spend on.

That's my point that this has really lost direction is about people wanting "things" to spend money on, not a recode, which is fine but I don't see a list of prize ideas that people want helping the site to get recoded. Also like others have said, a recode is a huge investment in money and TIME. Obviously if there was enough to hire another team specifically for it, it'd go quicker, and that's the point of the suggestion, but either way raising that money takes time, fundraiser or not, and then the recode will still take a lot of time in and of itself.

I don't think that having a fundraiser would fund a recode substantially faster without detracting from the funding of the regular maintenance of the site than it would if people who want this recode so badly where willing to just buy the csc instead of a prize tier. It's going to be a long term project no matter what. Again I spose that's mostly opinion and perhaps wrong, but it's how I see it.

There's still as much incentive to spend on regular goings on, but if you look at kickstarters, for a lot of them the majority of the funds are raised through the smaller tiers, not the big one off tiers. I would think the same would be for this, and those smaller tiers would be the people who sometimes buy a few csc here and there would instead be funding a recode, not all of them, but some and any at all would be taking away from the regular maintenance fund.

I think it's fair to say that subeta has had some vast improvements lately. Granted there's been plenty of more problems to go with it, but that's the nature of computers. the long term trend is for the better. Subeta is improving not just staying afloat, and either way a recode isn't an instantaneous switch to flip.