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...I have nothing of substance to contribute here (though I would definitely donate if this came up somewhere along the line)

I'm making potato salad right now, for the record (I prefer to be a goat, though if we're getting technical I'ma bull n_n).

Anyways, put unlimited $50 = pet slot totem and see how long it takes about 50 pet people to hit the goal. We'll see who's a dedicated user when I'm one of the users who ends up with like 95 pet slots.

About the whole CWs vs. KS idea, I'd just mention at least a few people would throw in a considerable amount of bucks if that would give them the chance to submit custom eyes and lips. I'm not talking about private/exclusive eyes and lips (maybe noses too), I'm talking about the chance to have facial items uploaded on the site!

I still have to read everything else, but at first I don't find it such a bad idea to try and raise some money that could be useful for the site's development even if it doesn't reach the ultimate goal. I like the idea of separate fundraising that runs over time, but idk if KS would allow lengthy deadlines or how much is their fee over the money raised too.

I bet I can reach 100 pet slots faster than you! XD

Seriously though, I'm one pet away from the cap and I would pay a great deal for more slots. , if you stick a "pet slot totem" in the CS, I would buy one every month without fail. Clothes don't appeal to me - pets do.

There are two things I would spend infinite money on

1. INFINITE PET SLOTS

2. INFINITE LIFELIKE DOLLS

Your move, Subeta.

Quote this for win. I have a well paying job, no kids, no debt, and a huge love of pixel pets and items. I will toss money at you all day long Subeta.

I also like the idea of having the cap raised to 30k if we reach $30k but I don't know how the battle admins would feel about that. That would definitely be a way to get some of the battlers involved and those are some of the most dedicated and most likely users to donate.

I think this has a real shot of success, obviously or I wouldn't keep bringing it up. There's support out there. We might not hit the 40k mark, but if we hit 25k or 30k mark then the site is so much closer to being able to afford to do a rewrite. If it was done in house then the money would go straight to Subeta anyway and everyone would get their prizes then and there so no refunds would be necessary.

If we fail we fail, but at least give it a shot.

Edit: I got my tax refund check today Subeta, let me throw it at you! Tax refund time is upon us, now would be a perfect time to try this out.

This thread is slightly turning into the pet slot direction. I don't know. If the staff don't like the idea of kickstarter that much, how about selling cash only pet slots? Honestly, I don't care about most things on subeta enough to pay $ for them (when I can afford most with sP), and I don't care about most things on the suggested kickstarter award list, but I'm all in if pet slots are involved.

Don't underestimate the power of the crazy pet fanatics.

I'm not sure about kickstarter.. my ideas are as follows

• Theres always the csc sales I know you just had one but I mean give people a warning, make a damn event out of it, if you told me you were going to have a black friday like sale in a few weeks I would save all my 'pocket moneys' to spend on it and if you note that its like a donation drive I would spend even MORE, bring back some retired csc items or even non csc items (but sell them for some csc) and I'd probably spend even more. There are so many past cash shop items(heck some non cash shop items too) I missed before joining the site, I'd pay for em still!

maybe time to try out your bind to account, slightly cheaper, cash shop clothing/items ;)

Benefits: People would be buying csc to sell in advanced for those who want to buy csc with SP so maybe more sales in the weeks before. YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO MAKE NEW ITEMS, unless you wanted.

-Donation drive, people could get loyalty like boxes for every $5 they spend, maybe being able to pick an item from a bunch like potions, old prizes blah blah and maybe an additional different box for every $10 -$20 or something that gives you the option of things like a pet slot or renames etc

Benefits - oh look no new items again

• Make some new temporary fundraiser items and put them in the cash shop in a little fundraiser shop so people can spend their moneys there. Maybe a bonus item or title for having the whole set of items?

-You could always bring back some of the old battledome challengers you can't get anymore as like a cash shop item.. for those members who don't care about clothes or pets or minions.. or anything else like that.

I think the most important thing would be to make sure there is something for everyone that battlers, pet lovers, minion collectors, book and food lovers, plushie/beanbag/card/tile collectors , HA lovers and so on.

Sorry its so long!

I'm not sure where this idea that 40k is a lot for a whole site is coming from, okay it's not chicken feed, but it's far from unreachable. At the time of posting this there are just over 475 users online (7am ish East coast and Subeta time, 12pm UK time), and this peeks to around 900-1000 each day, events not withstanding. That's about 800 active users each and every day.

800 users reaching $40,000 would need to each donate $50. $50 is a lot of money for some users on here, for others it's not as and others show, they're willing to drop 10x that amount with the right incentive. You'd only need 80 users donating at $500 to reach the goal. That's not really plausible, you may have 3-4 users who can afford that, but what you DO have is a lot of users who can probably afford $2.50 -- $10 more than once with the right incentives. FR offered great things for donating. Pet/battle people on here are just two groups, but they're fairly intense ones, and look at the prices some CWs have reached just because of the name attached to them? Wardrobe people can be pretty crazy too. Hosted on site with a long/no deadline. The right incentives. And I see no reason why this wouldn't be achievable.

Incentives could be anything from: $2.50 = 200 csc + random item of rarity [x] $500 = contribute to next pet species (possibly part of a team if enough people hit it) etc etc...

I agree that you're underestimating your user base, I only use this site to make money at this point, I do not actively play, and I'd STILL donate just on the chance that I could one day log in without wanting to scream at yet another thing going wrong or looking weird as hell on a half modern half old site.

For a comparison for money raising... I am one artist, only offering overlays at £20 a piece ($30), I've already made £60 ($90) in 3 days while only taking on one GBP slot a day. That's JUST pet people who want overlays. That doesn't take into account ALL the other groups on site, $40,000 might be a pipe dream for me to make on site (I would need 1400 commissions just paid for in real cash), but it's not for the site.

It might also be worth considering what CSC options can be funneled into the fundraiser, if any. How many people would be willing to put $5 into the fundraiser for a 'free' overlay slot, instead of getting the 500 csc directly? Knowing that the money is going directly into a fund to better the site?

I do think that it is important that we keep some separation from existing site features vs cash shop purchases.

There is no point in someone donating $5 to the fundraiser and getting rewarded with 500csc. That isn't helping anyone. Since that person now has 500csc they have no need to plop another $5 down to get said csc so the site looses money that way. Same with offering pet overlays for $5. The site still has to maintain at least some cash shop sales in order for it to operate on a daily level.

We have to make the rewards either unique or something that can not be directly bought out of the cash shop itself.

I think it's been the general consensus that any fundraiser would be in house as opposed to Kickstarter itself. I've changed the topic title to better reflect that so people don't get stuck up on the Kickstarter aspect.

BASICALLY. I don't have a lot to contribute to this but yeah, I'm pretty sure plenty of people would be more than willing to donate if it meant getting this site up and working as it should.

The thing with unique items is that it all has to be drawn/created which costs money, maybe not very much but still. Thats why I went with the idea of bringing back retired things that maybe there is a severe lack of in the user shops (so you couldnt buy it with SP even if you wanted too) or are really really overpriced. That way we are pumping some old stuff back into the system, people are spending a ton of money and they really don't need to make any new items as such.

Then of course the other idea of having a bunch of unique items in a special shop for a fundraiser and having some sort of reward for purchasing all the items in the shop (so people get even those things they are not so interested in) sort of like those snowglobes! I brought all of them because I wanted that fox wearable! even though I had originally intended to only get like 2 of em lol maybe even add achievements for spending in that shop or donating in general for those who collect titles/achievments

Man I know how to go on don't I..

Just wanted to drop by and add nothing more than, I would happily donate money towards the site's development.

Good call on the board rename, since I definitely think this is something that should be kept on site if at all possible. I do think, though, some of the kickstarters that've been mentioned on the board should be listed in there (if only to prove that, yeah this is definitely something that's possible). Primarily the FR one, and maybe the extraordinary Homestuck one just to show how crazy people can be and a reason that Kickstarter/fundraising sites aren't necessarily "safer" or "the site will ensure this will absolutely happen" verses it being done onsite.

I think I've said about all I can say about this at this point otherwise.

1. There shouldn't be ANYTHING involved with this fundraiser that would directly cripple the sites other cash shop purchases. Including, but not limited to: CSC, Gold Accounts, the ability to purchase MORE pet slots for $20 (my suggestion has involved a higher cost for pet slot totems and/or loyalty boxes which should be no less than $50 a pop), Custom Overlays, Free CW submissions, Renames, and so on so forth.

2. There should be $10k milestones that alone could drive people to donate what they can even if they can't afford prize tiers/packages/whatever. Such as, for example: Battle week, Every-Quest-Is-Weekend-Quest weekend, Raising the Stat Cap, Achievements for each milestone, a subeta themed week like the 10 year anniversary that was really cool and everyone enjoyed, and so on.

3. The tiers/packages/whatever should appeal to every type of user! Pet slot totems/loyalty boxes, "custom items" (like the old old days where you told the staff what you wanted and they made it), NPCs based on you, creation of new pets/maybe challengers, I REALLY LIKED THE IDEA OF BEING ABLE TO SUBMIT EYES OR MOUTH CWS (a submission pass or something?), inb4 copies of brand new items that're due to be stocked in BHH/r99/Token Shops/A WHOLE SET OF BRAND NEW LIMITED EDITION SUBEAUTIQUE ATTIRE?, and so on so forth.

Lastly, I really hope this is being considered in the background and numbers/contract programmers are being looked into to see how much it would really really cost and what kinda packages/tiers/whatever could be made that wouldn't make this cause more harm than good/cost the site money.

Because I really think this is something that could happen, and I really think there's a large enough group of users who would give money to this cause (especially if the plan is laid out/the goal is listed/and how much it's made so far is all listed on the drive page) to see the site recoded for reals this time and really running smoothly-- and I think there's an even larger group of people who'd donate for both that + extra incentives because that's human nature.

I wouldn't be super gung-ho about pet slots, but customizable features really appeal to me. I really hope that this is being seriously considered, because I think it's something users would get behind.

Other things I'd be interested in:

• access to unique experiment pet elixirs (and then the pet is available only as a zap or Miracle Potion, a la the octodog)
• KS-only clothing sets
• IRL items -- I know this one is probably not doable, but those keychains Subeta released would be fun, if they were feasible
• single-use "coupon" or whatever that lets you submit eyes/mouth/nose as a CW

Some ideas for high-tier donations:

• custom pet experiment
• custom official clothing item or set
• NPC based on you
• custom forum title?
• one-on-one hangout with a staff member (you pay to get there, they honour you with their presence ;) )

After thinking and rereading, I think we should remove pet slots altogether too, and solely keep MORE PET SLOTS as a stretch goal. (i.e loyalty boxes for each 5K/10K reached, plus a early stretch goal that would increase the max number of pets anyone can get by 10)

I haven't been able to spend any cash on Subeta in probably two years, but I'd still find a way to donate if this happened.

Yeah pet slots should only be a) in totem form or via a loyalty box and b) shouldn't be something people are capable of getting more than 1 or 2 of at a max. The entire reason I mentioned that from the get go is because that is a sure fired way to get people involved to donate and don't really cost the site anything. It really shouldn't be something I'm capable of getting 10 of just because I want to.

HOWEVER if I was still enticed by any other things I'd definitely still donate to this. I mean even if there's no incentives I'd still donate because the site really needs this to happen, however how willing I am to eat beans/rice for a month or two depends on what is offered (and if there's so form of pet slots involved I will forgo french doors with my refund in order to throw that grand or so here, I'm basically not kidding at all).

Yeah I second this. We can't really think of people who purchase csc with sp right now, because that still means there's technically less need for csc to enter the system; if Bob will get an overlay tomorrow for donating $5, then Jane, who otherwise would buy csc to sell to Bob, might as well not spend her $5 today. Even if the relation isn't so direct, if it manages to cut sp demand for csc, it may disincentivize csc sales (and consequent purchases for cash). I feel the site can't take this risk.

I think it's ok for Subeta to offer things it would offer as prizes for special contests (like eyes and lips were part of that Peka-Boo contest) but not something that would be directly purchasable! I love the idea of working with staff on the creation of NPCs, battle opponents, Subq sets, possibly extra pet slot totems (either as a milestone or a "pack"), a new pet species or two because why not, special achievements with titles, maybe a new forum icon color... there are many ideas.

I'm not sure if $40k would be the right figure, since Keith said it's hard to precise the amount needed without further research, but because the amount will be considerable, the deadline would have to be fairly long. I'm not completely opposed to having it hosted on the site, however having a fundraiser hosted on site with a fairly long deadline could get some users wary of donating, for those transparency reasons mentioned every now and then. It can't be x% of an unknown amount that we need for the recode, it HAS to be (for example) 5% of $40,000 needed and then if a person goes and drops $1,000 they'll have to see the matching % increase happening. That, and a page showing how much they have donated (total) and which perks they'll be getting for that. Also, because the deadline is long, doesn't mean there shouldn't be one -- 6 months, a whole year, you name it, but it has to exist (maybe unless the goal is met too much in advance). If the fundraiser goes past the goal because of whatever reasons (ex. coding is more expensive today than it was yesterday), then we also have to be able to see exactly how much extra was got. It should never go past the deadline, though, no matter what happens.

Besides that, we'd have to know for sure that this money is going into a separate Subeta account and it won't be touched until the deadline. We love staff and we want them to never have to take pay late, nor take pay cuts, but if this cash goes into today's payroll then it just... defeats the purposes of it being there tomorrow for this very specific reason. :c Edit: This is why I think it's different than just buying more csc! Csc goes into today's payroll, as I see this would be a "savings" account especially for the recode, which would probably motivate more people to make an effort c:

In the end, I think the whole "negative" feelings towards KS-ing has a lot to do with a company promising things to... essentially strangers. If Subeta had a fundraising, I feel it would be a little different. The people donating to it would be mostly those who already play the game, these people who maybe haven't bought CSC in years (not even with sp) because they're disappointed with the the lack of functionality in features. People who want more pets, more eyes, a better gaming experience. And if, in the end, we still haven't reached however much is needed, then it's up to staff to take however much was raised, sit with users and say "Well, this is how far we got. It's not enough for us to get a complete revamp, but this is what we can do with this money: -list of alternatives-". Then, you know, those things must happen.

If the fundraising option is chosen, I feel it couldn't go terribly wrong as long as something happened with the money and transparency/open communication about it was kept. Worst comes to worst and not a single dollar is raised, we stay where we are... right?