It's alright. I mean, if it comes out, it will totally be worth it.

Also, I'm checking the FR Kickstarter and I sorta like their theme packs more than just PLEDGE 20$ AND GET A PET SLOT.

So, you'd have a 20$ pack with something like two wearable, minion, forum title and a pet slot trophy

You'd have a 30$ pack with two other wearables, another minion, another forum title and everything from the 20$, including the pet slot.

For 500$, I'd imagine something more impressive. Like, the NPC idea, probably an official site item, two pet slots and all of the cheap packs I gave as examples. All of them.

Kickstarter doesn't ensure that the money is used the way it is supposed to. But Kickstarter WOULD ensure that the people that donated knew exactly how MUCH the site raised, which is something that is important to quite a few Subeta users, and something we have no way of knowing now.

With pleasure!

Link to 2012 FR kickstarter

To say this idea isn't worthwhile on the grounds that "you people must have a shitton of money" is ridiculously rude, as is the notion that this shouldn't be a thing because you don't like it and want to participate.

Sometimes it's easier to just say "for the record. I wouldn't support this." than it is to offensively judge everyone who does support it (:

I haven't checked out their kickstarter yet, still mobile, but I definitely will in a bit.

You said absolutely nothing originally in regards to what you meant by transparency. I have no idea why it wouldn't be possible for Keith to state on subeta that our goal is x we've earned y and here's a run down of our goals? Not doing so would be a pretty baf idea, considering the goal would be to actually get the money to fix the sites code?

We currently have no way of knowing niw because it's none of our business. We buy a product for our money and how that money is used is up to the company. That's how businesses work, and that's often how businesses fail (: if we're specifically donating money for something to happen, then yes those contributing deserve to know how it's going, if the money goal has been met, and the status of the recode behind the scenes because that is where the money is going? It's noy going to CWs or csc it's going to the recode.

Yes I understand that without incentives it'd probably take a long time to hit that goal, and people would donate still just not to a large sum. The reason most fundraisers offer them is because hearts respond to words and tragedies but wallets respond to causes and bonuses that lets us help the cause AND ourselves.

So, first of all, YES TO THIS.

Do this through the site. Do NOT put it in the Cash Shop. Like, it can be NPC run, and you can do it as a charity raising thing, so people don't confuse it with getting CSC or cash shop items. I think that it should have an emphasis on real money needed with the packs mentioned by others (and let me buy as many packs as I want, because if they are things like pet slots, I'm all over that. SERIOUSLY). I also think it would be interesting to possibly tie it with an sP sink as well. Yes, the sP doesn't help the donation total, but it might make those who can't buy with real cash at least feel involved (and no, they wouldn't get the same packs... I think that would be more like... moral support?), and it would help with the sP economy maybe?

I agree that the items given out by it should be primarily things that don't cost the site much money (such as totems or even things like MKBs or other items that are bought with sP primarily and have a rather standard fixed price (just an example)). However, being able to help in making an NPC or a custom item would be SUPER TEMPTING. XD

As for transparency- I honestly don't give a shit where the money goes as long as it is to the site. Why? Like , I donated to the Homestuck fundraiser (yes, I am trash, lol). Though time has passed, and there is no game yet, I could care less. The game was just a perk in my eyes. I donated for the physical items I got. That's what I wanted. The same would go for here: if the money went to programmers, even better, but I would be donating for those packs more. If you like what is in the pack, where the money goes doesn't matter, because you would STILL GET YOUR MONEYS WORTH. You would still be getting what you wanted anyway. That's how I look at these kinds of things. I donate for what I want out of it. If I get more, WOOOO.

And yes, $40k is a lot, but if you break it down, it isn't too much. And if there is a longer time frame, it is even better. Like, give me two months to earn the money I want to spend on packs, and damn straight will I donate. And more than I probably should! The one thing that staff has always done on this website is UNDERESTIMATE YOUR MEMBERS. We LOVE this site! It's why we crash the servers every event. Why we bitch from every bug. If we didn't love this place, we wouldn't complain. We would just leave. We wouldn't crash servers, because we wouldn't be here. Does that mean we'll hit $40k? Who knows... but you won't know until you try, and any extra cash is better than none. Even if we only raise enough to pay one more programmer, that's still better than none, right? It's the same thing I say when I donate to Cancer walks - even if only 1 cent of my 1 dollar donation goes to help fight cancer, that's better than my not donating anything at all.

I think this is a case of "Why Not Try?" As long as you set it up right, it will be similar to the CSC sales where people donate more for the item, and the extra csc is a perk (or at least, again, that's how I look at it). Just this time, people can donate for the packs/perks, and getting newly coded site would be the perk.

But, for those who want more than the "perk" of getting new coding, I think there would need to be a LOT LOT LOOOOOOOT of communication in regards to the progress of the money use- like, when you hire the people, status updates, etc. I personally wouldn't care, per say... but I am kinda nosy, and I know most of the userbase would appreciate those progress reports even if their money WASN'T directly going towards it.

I grasp all that, and I understand it, but I wouldn't be on board with a Kickstarter/off site fundraising either way. Kickstarter has time limits, I believe, so if it wasn't funded in time, too bad. And Gofundme is an organization I refuse to support for any reason. Doing something through the site seems like the best idea, that way you have control of it, and to appease people, you could, I'm sure, make a counter to show what had been raised. (I don't really care about your financials, to be honest, I know it takes a decent amount to run the site and pay employees.) You could still have your tiers and people could donate multiple times when they had the money or all in one go, I'm sure that could be worked out.

Yes, that's all I need, the ability to play Subeta on my phone...

I really like their packs too, now that I've checked them all out! I don't know diddlysquat about FR (my prognosis is I'd rather whole-ass subeta, than half-ass my stay on other websites for my pet hoarding/adorable animal needs) but I've always thought the art was really really pretty and dangerous.

It's extremely impressive they got that amount of money to build their site in the first place, and the sheer amount of stuff you'd get for $180-- and here I am saying I'd literally eat beans/rice/cheese + coffee for a month to justify throwing $500 at subeta for like 5 pet totems -laugh-!

I actually really feel like will be underestimating his userbase, even more now that I've seen that kickstarter. I really don't see how it couldn't happen, especially if the stretch goal/milestones for getting to $40k were extremely enticing (I would literally be shocked if there was a battlepalooza milestone, and a 30k the cap goes to 30k milestone + pet totems?? I'd be literally shocked if we didn't hit $40k, I really really would).

i dont have any valuable input other that to say what i said before: i'd donate to a fund drive if one arose.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/324283889/potato-salad

I THINK SUBETA IS MORE ALLURING THAN POTATO SALAD

Idk potato salad is pretty alluring... I was wondering what to make for dinner, I think I know now I'd still rather throw down here, though, ESPECIALLY WITH INCOME TAXES BEING UNLEASHED SOON?? WHAT BETTER TIME THAN NOW?!

As someone who has literally never put my own money into Subeta, I think I might actually get behind a fundraiser. Maintaining the status quo is one thing, and it sounds like that's what is saying Subeta is doing now. Money-wise, Subeta is stable. But not in a position to do the complete overhaul the site may realistically need.

A Kickstarter, or Kickstarter-esque fundraiser with different rewards for donating, would be really appealing.

oh right i do actually have feedback. idr if anyone addressed this bc i have poor reading comprehension, but the only thing i'd be wary about re: using a site like kickstarter is they tend to have those timeframes associated with them. it'd be a shame if subeta came close to, but did not hit the target amount in the time allowed, and therefore was not given any of the money.

if this has already been addressed/accounted for then disregard, im too lazy to backread a second time :(

Yups, Keith addressed it, based on his own experiences with LGBT+ kickstarters. That's one of the reasons he is weary

Yeah, but FR is a brand new site and they needed the seed money to get started. That's why it's called a kickstarter.

Subeta is a decade old and has an active userbase. In theory, the cash shop should be supporting the site. If it's really not, then there's a bigger issue here that a fundraiser wouldn't fix.

(And if you're looking for new pet slots and stuff, these are mostly things that could be offered in the CS that we already have.)

This whole idea just seem really weird to me.

Check the other kickstarter I've posted.

55K for POTATO SALAD.

The cash shop keeps the site operational, but to fully recode the site is basically like a brand new site.

A lot of companies irl go under because they can barely make something happen/afford to make something happen and they go for it-- then they can't bounce back from the extreme amount of cost that went into that think and they go under.

A prime example that I've seen a few times is when a company assumes that if they have mroe space they can cater to more people and thus make more money. So they spend all of their money on purchasing/building a BIGGER place... only now they have no moeny to run it/buy stuff for it/there wasn't enough new costumers to profit off of the new bigger but more costly space.

If subeta took all of it's money and fired the other staff members to be able to fund this-- and that worked, and the recode was successful... there wouldn't be enough staff members to moderate the site/help users with problems/enforce rules/draw new pets and items and NPCs and make plots happen and accept CWs/code new things and keep users coming back to the brand new site. It's far safer to seek financial backing when doing something that could potentially kill the site. And yes, real businesses do that irl every single day.

With big corps those are called stock/share holders who've infested their money in the business and now have more power of authority than the person who owns the company (ex: recently a rather large food company proposed removing all genetically modified food from it's products because of the growing concern/demand for non-GMO food... the stockholders said hell no, and thus the company has to leave them in regardless of what it wants to do). This is very much like that, only we get instant gratification for our money, and the site gains the money to far-less-risky redo the sites core coding.

That's how I see it. Also, potato salad...

I also just dropped $45 this last December for a new Hannibal fanart book + to get a copy of the season one fanart book. Technically, that's new and old.

PS: the first run of the artbook earned $11k, the second one earned $14k. Never underestimate people without kids with moeny to spend on whatever makes them happy today :P

the thing is, the cash shop IS supporting the site. that's why subeta is up from month to month without "oh god please donate or the site is going away forever" emergency drives.

from what i'm gathering, this fund raiser is aiming more toward raising up from the status quo and bettering the site at costs higher than what is regular maintenance. i dont think it's so much a cause for concern if a business doesn't have issue operating from day to day, but can't afford to do a complete interior renovation. that's stuff's expensive

hence the users in this thread calling for a fund raising drive (im hesitant to just flat out call it a kickstarter because i'm one of the ones wary of using that particular avenue to do this)

The FR kickstarter is kind of a bad example...Neondragon has a crap ton supporters, way more than the average amount of people online on Subeta every day. I'm actually not really surprised they made that much on their kickstarter. The potato salad one was just plain ridiculous and I just pretend it doesn't even exist. That one's an example of the sheep mind.

potato salad for everyone

you cannot stop the potato