Honstly, I'd prefer to have packages instead of letting people pick what they want because having like, 500-100 people chose what they want is hell.

If you want multiple pet slots, you can go and take multiple packages of the pet slot totem, rather than one 500$ package.

If you want multiple pet slots, you can go and take multiple packages of the pet slot totem, rather than one 500$ package. ??

OR ANOTHER MILESTONE SUGGESTION: HIT $__K = CAP WILL BE RAISED TO 30K!

Watch the money roll in.

Packages work too, tiers work great for the kickstarter website (and/or that's what they have thus it works), but frankly what really matters is what will cost the site the least amount of money without hurting the game (totems don't cost the site money, Keith making videos doesn't cost money, achievements don't cost money, most/some artists LOVE drawing pets and they get paid to draw, items same story, etc where as getting a godly or csc or gold accounts hurts the system or is essentially the same as just buying it in the cash shop).

I doubt you could take the same package more than once depending entirely on the price-- like $100 for two totems, no, because people like me would literally not buy food for months and get like +20 pets which the site shouldn't allow (even $100 for 1 is something I'd get uhh, more than once).

Have you ever used Kickstarter?

Kickstarter rewards are divided by tiers, where there are rewards for each tier.

However, Kickstarter is lacking in one thing, you can only pledge once. We'll use Andrea's examples to show how it works.

You can choose the reward pack you want, but you'd pledge 500$ and either get the NPC design or ONE pet slot (the 25$ tier reward)

What I want is the following

If you have 500$ to invest, and there is a 500$ with a reward you are not interested into, but low and behold, you are interested in getting multiple of a lower tier, you could pledge multiple times to get multiple lower rewards that you are interested in, rather than one reward you don't really want.

That would be simpler to manage and would put the decision of what to do with your money in your hands.

tldr, What I'd actually like is to make multiple small pledges instead of one large pledge to get what you actually want

I feel like the big code word for this is: transparency.

Remember when the staff constantly said: we need money to improve the site! Then cw's came around and a small fortune was spend on subeta by members, nothing changed and all we saw was Keith touring the world and heaps of people wondered where exactly their money went because it wasn't spend on improving the site because it was down all the time.

The site has matured a lot since then, but I feel like a lot of us haven't forgotten yet how we sunk money in the site and saw no improvement. Communication has improved heaps, and if you want to make people spend money: transparency and communication are going to be the keywords.

I do feel like it's a great idea and that it could help to finally get shit done. Because lets face it: otherwise it won't happen. I think it would be a great idea to look in the database to see how many spend +100$ a month on Subeta, do the maths.

I probably wouldn't back/or not for a lot because I don't have a job or a unemployment benefit and pretty much live in my parents their basement. If I would have a job then, hell yeah to support if it has benefits related to pets because that's usually all i spend csc on: pet related things and gold.

I like this idea for doing on site. Kickstarter fees can be kinda high xD I think they're 8-10%. GoFundMe takes 8% from each donation. Even if you still have to do a processing fee on Subeta, it'll be better than using those sites.

I know I would definitely donate if milestone things like Andrea suggested were used. ^^

Everything else? Should we start fearing for the future of things like Collections, now?

Collections are probably one of my favorite CS features, so I'd be sad if it were the case

Also, for the record, Kickstarter does NOT offer anything in rwgards to transparency. It is simply the middleman collecting it's share for it's part and nothing else!

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/14293468/homestuck-adventure-game

^ This kickstarter was officially funded in October of 2012 for almost $2.5 MILLION dollars, yes you read that correctly. As of a few months ago, pretty much nothing has happened but excuses and being ignored and something about a few comic updates, and it's been mentioned several times in the comments that kickstarter literally cannot do anything once a projects funded.

So no one should feel like just because something like this happens on a fundraiser site that automatically means something will happen verses it happening onsite. If anything it's better for subeta to keep it here and not deal with funders fees so more money could go towards getting the site totally recoded.

Yeah but we didn't know that as players, all we saw was loads of money going into cw's. We don't have the information and charts that you got. I can't remember any communication about this either.

Yeah indeed, loads of happened. I didn't mean nothing happened, I basically live on the website I can see that tons changed already. The wardrobe, the achievements, the constant smaller changes, etc.

But the giant recode that you promised that would solve everything/a lot problems didn't happen and that's mostly the thing I had in my mind writing that post. The giant mythical recode. Money would make that finally happen.

Haha, I did contribute to that kickstarter and the last time we got updates about it was...hold on, let me check my e-mail

October 30th

Are CWs actually making money for the site? Would you make more money if CWs were discontinued and players went back to buying other Cash Shop items?

Just imagine the public outrage. There was major outrage for MAIN SHOP HAGGLING this week, I cannot even imagine that removing CWs could go well.

It's not a bad idea. It's just...people like that site feature, and call me pessimistic, but removing it could kill the site. Remember, there are users using the cash shop JUST to buy CWs they want. People who had no interest in trunks in the past.

If the $30k milestone was raise the cap we'd get that in like 24 hours.

Seriously, though, I don't see a downside to this. It's possible I'm not getting it. If we fail to get 40k, would people still get their tiered rewards? Like, I'd STILL donate a certain amount of money for a custom item even if the project was doomed to failure. And I really think that there's a chance at this getting funded.

I'm really on the fence about this whole thing. $40k is A LOT of money, as many other people have pointed out. I love this site, and I would gladly pay more money into it to keep it running, but there are a lot of people that can't afford it, or just wouldn't be willing to spend that money.

I think having reward incentives that revolve around new items and art is a horrible idea, unless it would be "free" for the artists to make it. I don't know much about the artists and the people who work on the website (as in, how much they get paid. I'm assuming that no one makes art for free here), but wouldn't the money that you're putting into the kick-starter go to them? That is, if you have them make a new pet or something for the $250 donation bonus. I know I for one wouldn't want a bonus except for the extra pet slots and loyalty totems.

That's another thing. When people donate money to the site, yes we don't know what it's going to, but you have to know it's going to something site related. Artists, servers, the people that actually run the day-to-day workings of it. A website is a lot of time and money, and people could just say screw this, we aren't getting anywhere, lets leave. They haven't, though, which is why subeta is still around.

On top of that, if people start to only donate to the kickstarter, it'll take away from the other money needed to run the other workings of the site.

I might just be rambling, but there are still a lot of things that we need to know, or to figure out before this will officially get my backing. =/ I love this site, and I would never want to see it disappear, but $40000 is still a lot of money that the subeta community would have to drum up.

I suppose in the end I'm just not getting the whole idea. The site needs money to run. We don't know how much the site actually needs to run, or how much it's getting. We don't know if it's making the goals, or how much less money it would get if people just start throwing money in the kickstarter. If people start tossing $250 into the kickstarter instead of into buying CSC, would that negatively affect the site? Would some of the money from the kickstarter be diverted into the site instead of into the recoding if subeta isn't making enough to stay afloat? There's just too many things that people need to take into consideration before this becomes a huge thing.

To people who needs a comparative, FR's kickstarter raised just short of 40K, with a 3.5K goal

Also, people are still buying CSC to make CWs. If you contribute to the kickstarter, you're obviously not getting CSC as well, so you have to pick. Do you contribute to the kickstarter, or do you want CSC to resell/submit CWs?

Obviously, people who are well into CWs are still mostly going to use the cash shop to get the site money. Which is why I think it's a bad idea to get rid of CWs. Keith said it, they overpowered the cash shop so much, other items have a hard time being sustainable.

I hope there will either be a fundraiser on subeta or kickstarter within a week. I wanna see something happenDX

It's disheartening seeing subeta not being fundraised at all! It's better to try and have hope, than to not try at all and see the despair in our eyes and our hearts.

Haha, I'm sorry (hopefully one day something happens...) |D! Old wounds aside, that's a prime example using a fundraising site isn't necessarily going to turn water into wine.

I also agree that this will probably effect CS sales some but doubtfully not that much? Like this isn't CSC, collection items, overlays, renames, or CWs. If you need csc for something, you'll have to give to one or the other or both. I do imagine it will probably stunt cash shop sales some but I doubt that much? Like okay if I can get, example, five pet slots for $500. Then I'd probably stop buying CWs as of today and only get csc for what I'll need (autotraining, collections, new challengers, potential renames, and some to sell for sP) and no I wouldn't donate today because I don't get paid until the 6th and my mortgage is due on the 1st BUT on the 6th I'd without a doubt throw down $500 and then I'd probably buy what I needed for February (same stuff as before) and instead eat beans and rice. I'd basically not buy cws for pet slot donations which would effect the cash shop some but not entirely because food is for the weak 8|!

For real though:

1. If the cap became 30k for the $30k milestone + a battlepalooza week? AND there were totems involved? This would be wrapped up in a month.

2. As long as we got our bonuses for how much we donated to this even if the goal isn't met (subeta, in turn, would keep the money raised and hopefully would find a good use for it) then I honestly don't see how this could hurt? I don't think that'd happen though, I really don't.

I have to say I am not on board with this, and I think some of you seem to have a shit ton of money hanging around, must be nice. I say that without rudeness, and I understand people have different priorities in life, believe me, I get that.

I have only participated in one Kickstarter and that was the Reading Rainbow one, which is a wonderful cause and I could not pass it up. Having said that, I can say, with probably 99.9% accuracy, that I would not support another Kickstarter.

As for donating directly to the site... I guess I don't see the issues everyone else sees as the only time I am generally pissed off with the site is when we have the bog standard events every year (Vesnali, Morostide, Dancing, Lumineve, etc.) and the site ceases to function because there aren't enough servers or whatever else to allow the site to function without excessive lag. I have seen a lot of changes recently, some I like, some I don't like, but they are changes and they are being made for the better. Now, I have never paid real money into Subeta, I admit that freely. I pay for my gold accounts with my sP, and those medals are getting pricey these days, but I can't really justify real money going toward the site. I greatly enjoy the site, I'm on for many hours every day, but my real money, well, I like to have tangible things when it is spent. What extra I do have available for spending after bills goes toward fixing up my new home and reducing the amount of things on my Amazon wishlist as a little treat for myself.

Is the site in dire straits (not the band)? Because I haven't seen anything to suggest that it is. Things break, this is a fact of life, the staff fix it, maybe not as quickly as we would like, but it gets fixed. Do people really just leave because they're fed up with the site? Bored? I'm not aware of anyone who has just had a shit fit over the site not working and fucked off permanently... I mean, that's unrealistic and how do they function in the real world? As for bored, shit, sometimes I get bored, sometimes I don't want to go through the same repetitive questing every day, but I always come back (every day). I think the people who leave do so for a plethora of reasons and I find it hard to believe that it is just out of boredom or general annoyance, I think it is just life going different places.

I'd say if you are that big on donating for coding specifically, set up something in the cash shop that allots money for that one specific thing, but one does have to keep in mind the actual operating costs.

As for transparency... what century are you living in? You want to know where your money goes... You know my tax dollars go to a shit ton of things that I want nothing to do with, for me to sit there and tell the government I want to see exactly where my money is going is laughable. You know the money is going into the site, whether that be upkeep, staff or whatever else. I highly doubt Keith is moving it to an offshore account somewhere so he can retire early. New things are clearly happening each day, so let us not get so high and mighty as to act like it's bullshit that we can't see where every cent goes and pretend like nothing is ever fixed or new things introduced. Seriously, I'm seeing some questionable indignation in some of these posts. Things take time regardless of money. I think some people are expectant of over night changes which will not happen. Keith would actually have to find the people to do the job and it wouldn't be smooth sailing by any means. I'm good with slow and steady.