Subeta -

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

When you click on the "trivia question" button and it goes to the next page where you input your answer it clearly states "You are not allowed to give out the answers for the trivia. If you are caught, you will be frozen!" I don't know how people couldn't see it as it is the last sentence on the page...And those people that cheated need to be frozen for what they've done because the rule is very clear. If they choose not to freeze these people then it will remain an empty threat that no one will take seriously because they are not directly affected by their actions due to lack of consequence.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Sigh, this sorta reminds me of when the user shops were shut down for a while.

'Cept I don't know WHY they were shut down.

I can understand, people will cheat sometimes, but if more than one person just goes and shouts to everyone, "HEY GUYS! I KNOW THE ANSWER! IT'S ----!", then it's just ridiculous. My friends ask me for answers all the time, and I usually just give them a fake answer so they won't bother me about it. ;(

If there was a way to do it, I believe people who were looking at the posts right before they answered the trivia should be punished as well. I don't know how you'd do that, though.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I used to love figuring the trivia out daily. And being new to the sight it taught me alot. Since the prizes are no longer worth the hours spent finding the answers I dont think I will be doing them any longer.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Thanks for clarifying, Debilee. Also, yeah, I agree that our board comes a little too close sometimes (unintentionally, I think, and usually someone asks the poster to edit those asap), but we definitely don't post answers, and the vast majority of our comments are the basic "that was easy/hard" or "I find the wording confusing" or "that was a good one!" kind of posts.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Hi, Cranberry! Thanks for posting here; that makes things much easier. As I said a few posts down, I can only disable the News comments if I do the News post myself, rather than use the pre-made one, which contains the actual link. The first few posts invariably are made by people who have won the last Trivia, which is fine, just not hundreds of comments debating a past Trivia; those belong in the Forums. I think people are misunderstanding my use of the term discussion. Discussing isn't permitted, as in do you think it wants a Minion or a plushie as the answer? However, asking other questions for me to answer, such as no article, right? or pointing out spelling errors, or asking if capitalization matters, is fine. Just not discussion of the actual question itself. I'm always also happy to clarify as much as I can via sMail. Also, I've read through some of your board now, and many of the posts are fine, but some do skate a bit too close to the edge. The reason that the answers cannot be open to debate is that it serves no purpose, as there are no logs, due to space restrictions.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I really hate cheaters right now. Kthxbye losers. x_____x

Oh well... I guess there will always be those people that have to ruin the fun for everyone else. I wish they could be exterminated, or something.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Why are the comments enabled on trivia posts? I'm not trying to be mean or start an argument; I'm just curious. You say no discussion of the current trivia is allowed. However, in the (recent) past, like when people were talking about how they believed the owl trivias were unfair, you said several times that they should take discussion of past trivias to the forums because news comments were only for talking about the current trivia. Which is it?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I had a small Fight Club brain movement for a second.

Do not talk about the trivias.
Do not talk about the trivias.
...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Danggg, I'm not doing trivia anymore xD Glad we have such a good staff who take action though =)

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I never knew that either I don't have a problem with staff checking what I send though I understand why it needs to be done. I have nothing to be woried about I have never and will never give out any help or info to current trivias on site or off. I'm totaly against all that and I do try hard not to get myself into trouble on here Last thing I want is to get a warning and be on bad terms with anyone. The problem is though that we can't tell who is spoiling this for everyone and so the staff and us users can't realy stop it from happening off site. It's very annoying and just dumb to cheat in the first place the whole point of trivia is to enjoy finding the answer yourself. It's completley unfair to those who spend REAL time on working the answers out themself I can't imagine it even feeling rewarding if you know you have cheated and all for a pixel image. Thats all it is at the end of the day and for that you could lose your account forever imagine, no Subeta for you ever again, doesn't even bear thinking about.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Off topic but:Quote:

; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Also, just a note on that, things said in sMails can also be reported, as well as read by certain Staff members

I did not know that - not that I send stuff that I should be worred about but still....

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Couldn't you just have a programmer tweak it to disable them the same way the potion lottery ones do?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

The Trivia News post is pre-done with the link already in it. In order to disable comments, I'd have to handtype the Trivia News post and therefore lose the pre-made link.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

You shouldn't have to disable comments, no, it just seems like it would take a hell of a lot of temptation off the board, and would be a lot easier than sitting here weeding through it every trivia.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

wow, what a bummer.. trivia has been the highpoint here for me.. i love working them out. this really makes me sad.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Hmm...I think I have the answer to this trivia now. I can't say I'm 100% sure of it, but...it does seem to perfectly fit the description in the question. And I couldn't find any other possibilities that were as close, so... submits answer ! Hope I got it right!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

that sucks! I made a good profit from trivia prizes, i love trivia... stupid scammers

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

All this reminds me of the "rules" for the blue building. "You are not allowed to talk about it or tell anyone anything about it." I've seen this several times posted in the forums but when I ask for a link to where the rule lies no one seems to know that answers. I personally think rules should be set in stone. That way if someone asks or wants to know they are written for all the world to see and there will be no, "but I thought" or "he/she said".

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Also, if people sMail me directly with questions, I will answer them, if it doesn't directly totally give away the answer. Oh! And, to the posted question, no, no article; there generally never are, unless it is a specific book title, etc.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I wasn't speaking to everyone at all; I was speaking specifically to you, as I've seen you post in the Trivia comments before, nor was I implying that you yourself were one of the off-site cheaters. I'm sorry if there was anything in my post leading you to believe that. People always bring up glitches, bugs, etc., but I'm an AA, not a programmer; I can do no more about those glitches than an average user. I am specifically items adder/retirer, and Trivia, as my Staff heading says. Yes, not washing with me is my opinion, that someone who regularly posts in the News comments couldn't possibly have missed my saying no discussion of current Trivia is permitted, or BGG, among others, repeating it. Also, just a note on that, things said in sMails can also be reported, as well as read by certain Staff members. So I wouldn't really recommend cheating via sMail either. Once again, not implying that you personally are cheating, just a general proviso.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Quoting here: I'm sorry, but claiming not to know something that has been posted here dozens of times still doesn't really wash with me.

You know what, this is a big sight, and not everyone takes 20 HOURS to read every post in the forum.

shakes head It is sad, if half the time was spent fixing glitches Profiles and such as bantering here and playing God, things might actually be a little more clear. I personally do not go to other forums to answer the trivia. I do go to Skyotica to search items and such, but jeesh, UA or not, things not washing with you doesn't make it wrong, it simply makes it NOT of your opinion.

Thank you for the nice Smails letting me know where info is to those who S mailed me! I appreciate it. Seems to be more help with users these days then from it is supposed to be coming from.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Also, in response to that board, no, half of the correct answers do not come from friends sharing, the majority of people do them on their own. Passing around answers would just make your own prize less rare and less valuable; what point would there be in doing that? Also, the parents/teachers who don't play Subeta assistance referred mainly to our underage players, so that their parents could help them with the larger words, and to our math Trivias, for which no knowledge of Subeta is required at all. And... why are you asking such questions as these on that board, rather than posting them here where they can actually be addressed and answered.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

And now to answer a few questions on the other off-site Forum with a Trivia discussion board, that I wasn't actually referring to. Why should we have to disallow News comments? Because people just can't control themselves and not post things that they're not supposed to? We should have to protect users from themselves? I'm sorry, but that's a bit illogical; there are comments that can be made that don't violate any rules. And I don't post directly on that board because I don't happen to be a member of that particular site. I haven't read through the entire 65 pages yet, but, yes, that board does violate the no discussion of Trivia rule, but I wasn't even aware of the existence of that board until after we had discovered the other board.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

"I don't think that trying to justify the actions due to ignorance or 'invisible rules' is going to help any" No justification coming from me. I;m simply explaining how some people might see it. As for "Regardless of whether or not it was 'okay' before, it /definitely/ isn't now. As of this moment, you know" People know if they are following these comments, but many may not read these. I know it was probably six weeks after I joined here and started playing the trivias before I ever ventured in to read the comments. Thank you DebiLee for working on the new help for trivias. Having the rules clearly stated will benefit everyone.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I'm sorry, but claiming not to know something that has been posted here dozens of times still doesn't really wash with me. Also, no discussion of current Trivia has been posted here, in the Forums, in the Shoutbox, etc. I still don't see how people rationalize that taking the discussion off the site somehow makes it acceptable. It isn't, and never has been. And it's rather a moot point in this particular instance, since the cheaters ARE posting the actual answers on a public forum, which no one can disagree, is not permitted.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Ugh. This makes me sick. Trivia is one of the highlights of playing this site for me, and if there's not going to be any real meaning to getting it right, I might as well not spend my time on it. (And since I didn't cheat, it actually took me quite a while, which feels rather pointless right now.) Thanks, cheaters. Sure know how to ruin someone's night. -__- And another thing, I don't think that trying to justify the actions due to ignorance or 'invisible rules' is going to help any. Neither is trying to use loopholes in the existing rules to get around it. Regardless of whether or not it was 'okay' before, it /definitely/ isn't now. As of this moment, you know. Now it just needs to stop, and we can move on our merry way.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I'm really sorry, Penny, I really didn't mean it as singling you out at all, only to indicate to which post of dozens I was replying. Obviously the tone of my post must have come out entirely wrong; I was just trying to answer the question. However, I completed (unless I think of anything else) the rough draft of the Trivia Help article during the midget wrestling (just... don't ask! XD) earlier this evening. (I actually wrote the rest of it on the back of my checking account deposit slips because I wanted to get it done. Now I'm going to check it with someone else who has added Trivias, to see if I missed anything in it. I think it's pretty comprehensive, though; it covers proper suggested Trivias as well.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

DebiLee, you wrote "The rules very clearly state, and I have repeated here several times, that NO discussion of the current Trivia is permitted". Where are these rules posted? I looked for some and haven't found any yet, other than the warning "You are not allowed to give out the answers for the trivia. If you are caught, you will be frozen!" on the trivia page itself. I tried Help as well, but nothing looking like rules there either.

giggles I am sorry, I have to agree here. Not everyone comes here to post after a trivia. I have NEVER seen rules saying it can not be discussed or worked on. Also, as for the other sight.... it states not to post the answer, no rules have ever said things can't be worked on as a team.

People are going off on cheaters, however, make the rules clear before going off on people who break "invisible" rules.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

That should read "I don't think it is right to work with others on trivia" Sorry for the typo. I will say one more thing and then I'll shut up for a while. If we could depend on everyone using commonsense for things such as this, there would be no need for any rules at all would there?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I don't think it is right to work with other on trivia, in any way, shape or form. It seems commonsense to me that each person should work independently to find their own answer. My point is simply this. What is commonsense to one, may not be to another. Many different people, of many different backgrounds, play here. I doubt one could ever get 100% of the players to look at anything the same way. The rules say not to give out the answers. I could see someone reading that and thinking "They didn't say anything about hints, or collaboration to find the answer. Different people see things differently, that all.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Thank you for not doing away with the trivia because of a few cheaters. I hate it when everyone gets punished for something some idiots did. It's the story of the litigious world afterall. But I do hope the cheaters are outed and banned so we can go back to good prizes! I've gotten great stuff through these things!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I don't understand why people think that working with someone else on the trivia is acceptable. I realize there are many adults who play this site so bear with me here because this is the best example I can give that everyone can relate to... Imagine you're a student in high school, right before a math quiz the teacher says if he finds anyone cheating he'll immediately fail them. If you're stuck on one of the problems are you going to pull your chair up to a friend and have them walk you through how to do it? [b]No[/i], because even if you didn't copy your friends answer the fact that they helped you at all is still considered cheating. It's the same with the trivia questions.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

DebiLee said they were posted. I haven't been able to find them either, but maybe I just don't know where to look. I have no reason to doubt DebiLee, so I'm hoping she will point us to the rules. I will say this though. I wouldn't expect rules from other sites to be automatically applicable here. I'm sure things have been posted numerous times in the comments for various trivias, but there's a problem with that. One, not everyone reads the comments, and two, even if they do read the comments, is the post with the information within the last 40 posts? 40 is all I can see when reading these.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

It is such a shame that so many faithful trivia players have to be held accountable for a bunch of cheaters. I really looked forward to each trivia - and when finally figuring out my guess I was so happy to be correct. Too bad the cheaters do not realize the joy of the accomplishment. It must have been very frustrating for Debi to find them, and I truly hope it puts an end to it- hopefully the cheaters will not go elsewhere. (Or hopefully they will far far away from this site forever!) Today the trivia was a tough one! It seems very vague - good luck to everyone.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

** roasted

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

ehhhh, this one is so confusing T.T -gives up-

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Oh, its written on the page itself, not to GIVE the answer away. But somewhere, I saw / read / heard / whatever, something that somehow gave me the impression along the lines of .. giving an answer away and working together to get one, is 2 diff things. Which, I agree with .. BUT .. if it is, and it has .. been clearly stated the site sees it as being the the same thing, I will abide by that. still cant see ANY rules other than that one on the trivia page itself .. ive looked everywhere Just burns me that i tried to clarify .. for a REASON .. being HONEST .. and get roated for it. Nice. That will teach ppl it pays to be honest for sure. (ok, maybe not)

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

missatralissa - The answer to the previous trivia was to be found in the description of the Obnoxious Inflatable Charlie Elf Lawn Ornament.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

ever since i started playing a year ago it was drilled into my brain that we are not allowed to discuss trivia.. i don't recall where i read it, but wherever it was written it was serious enough to stay in my head..

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Seems there are diffrent rules for diffrent people....guess its all in who you are friends with

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Actually, I hadnt seen it stated that its definitly not allowed. I mean, seriously, if I had DEFINITLY seen it .. would I have been the one to bring it up? How stupid would that have been of me?? Now, I WILL say, I cant recall if it was members players .. or staff etc who was making the statement, so its VERY possible that it was just players speculating and I wasnt sure who they were. I mean, just last week I was APALLED at a comment someone made, and even posted how rude it was, only to be told, by someone else, the person was a mod. (Still shocked over that one). But, yeah, OBVIOUSLY I wasnt 100% sure, or .. common sense wise .. I would have not been the one to bring it up. CLEARLY, I now know for sure, and you can bet, I will do whats right. The question was made to ensure, myself .. AND OTHERS btw, who posted they were also unsure I love how only my name is always stated when others post as well would be sure to play properly. I do appreciate the info, as im sure others do as well.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Sorin, I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to put any sort of article in with your answer...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

can i ask how the last answer was found?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I'm hoping this doesn't constitute as asking for a hint.... but are we supposed to put a article before the answer....like "the" or "a" or "an"?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Sure thing!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Oooooh! I got it... thanks!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

It was from this item: Obnoxious Inflatable Charlie Elf Lawn Ornament, the description was "If I had a Charlie like this, I'd name him Augustus. We could bake cookies, and watch soap operas, and find places to hide bodies- I mean spread Christmas spirit!"

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Are we allowed to ask how people got answers to past trivias? Because I'm totally lost looking at the answer to the last one. Augustus? I'm not getting it... xD (if this i'm not allowedto ask, please ignore me)

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

-sighs- People are so desperate for crap they can sell for a lot more, apparantly. Quite pathetic, ruining a perfectly good game for their own intentions. Oh well, I guess the Blue Building can wait..

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Wow...some people are real jerks...honestly, what's the point in cheating? It just hurts you...and in this case, everyone else...you stupid rejects...

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