Subeta -

May 21, 2007 6:37 pm

Longcat is GONE. It has been removed from the site, and Draconis has taken it's place.

I'd like to take this time to issue an apology to you, the users. In the past month we have been handling a situation with multiple sites, over a silly 64x64 canvas filled with pixels. This was known to all of us as Longcat, and wasn't an important item on the site.

The item caused confusion, and most of all it caused controversy on Subeta, as well as outside of Subeta. We kept fighting for Longcat and Subeta in hopes that it would protect the users, and make Subeta appear strong, and able to find off any attack. Whatever you've been told, keeping Longcat was never about pride, it was about keeping the site safe from internet terrorists now, and in the future.

We weren't aware of the ability of one item to take down multiple fan-dedicated sites, and cause a legion of internet users to attack Subeta and it's users, not only on Subeta, but on other sites. We asked all users to change passwords, and make changes to their internet lives that could have been spared, had the item not been kept up.

Some will look at this as a loss for Subeta, while we are viewing it as a definite win. We are able to continue about our business and create fun, exciting new things for all of you to do, and you are able to play Subeta without worrying about what is lurking, and who is really your friend.

Again, we all apologize for any problems that you may have experienced in the past month due to this little group of pixels, and we hope that all of you keep playing Subeta. The site is about you, the users, and would be nothing without you. We also want to extend an apology to any community outside of Subeta that has been affected by this, including the communities we were having this problem with - all of the chans. Hopefully we can all move on to things that are more important :) We also apologize for any actions we took that may have provoked the chans, including taunting or pushing them to make sure they knew we weren't going to give up. All of this we accept as our fault, and we are apologizing to every party for.

Starting out the new features, is the Cult Revamp! Recoded to work much better, you can now create a cult and choose from a number of pre-made templates, which range from Angelic to Hydrus :)

We are leaving the comments on this post open, in hopes that everyone can play nice. We will disable that easy if need be.

November 8, 2020, 7:07 am by

13 years later, and this is still the stupidest conflict I ever had the displeasure of witnessing... and the stupidity absolutely wasn't on Subeta's side. It's 2020 now, and we're all aware of what happened with meme culture.

This wasn't "subeta provoking a war", this was children with some hacking knowledge pitching a tantrum over some pixels. :/

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Loved the long cat ;_;

Long cat is still loooooooong.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

the cat was sooooooooooooo much better

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

the cat was sooooooooooooo much better

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

That would be cool lilysparkle. Maybe with his arm around your sholder and giving the peace sign. I'd like that.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Actually, I'd love to have a respectfully-done smiling Jesus standing next to me on my avatar...It'd be awesome.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I think that removing longcat from subeta wouldnt stop 4chan (and such) trolling and spamming users. They'll just find a different reason to do so...

but hell, I sure hope it does stop. I'm 100% behind you subeta! whatever descision you make, you're still the most rocking petsite I know.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

i miss longcat

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

This really makes me mad. We all voted to keep the Longcat, and the get rid of it anyway, WHAT is the point to voting for something if they're not going to pay attention to the wants of us anyway?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

sighs This is all so silly. Debating it now is still silly. I'm more than happy to stop having to read about the drama. So let's move on and just shush up.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Well, the replacement to the longcat is cool. The whole conflict as I am to understand anyways is rather silly over all. I understand how someone can be wounded by such and be upset over it, but in the end, is it really worth fighting over something so meaningless? Because in the end, is it anything that will effect the rest of your life and something you can take with you? No, not really... it just comes around to live and let live. Just roll it off like a duck and water and tomorrow will look better than yesterday. Just totally not even worth thinking about. Takes too much energy in which I could be doing other things. xD

It's just silly- hopefully no one was seriously hurt- but I always say, those that deserve it will get there's in the end- because it always comes around. Deal something out, you get it back 3 fold- so be careful what you do in life... really.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

We provoked an attack. If I remember correctly, one chan said this to me once : 'Imagine a Hornets nests, knowing sure and well what it could do. Now, HIT IT WITH A ROCK. You dont expect the hornets to take it.' And 420 did NOT take it, thsu this war... blah blah. But now ts over.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

o_O Okay. I am offically confused.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Wheee I'm confused.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

There are but a handful of people who truly know what happened - for anyone else to speculate on any of it is unwise - the argument is by all accounts for the average subetan, moot. It would be in everyone's best interest to leave it alone now.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I agree that things got way out of hand but the fact is that internet terrorists are what they are.. But that doesnt mean we or anyone else should just bend over and taking.. It may or may not pay to take them on but at the same time I have to say it does..

Also even if Keith did taunt them they had NO right terrorising us the users and for that 4chan is worst not to menchin that the users they did miss with most likely didnt do anything to them!

Think about this: If you where to come home to find a note that said give us a this amount of money or you'll never see your mother again.. Are you going to say okay only to find that its most likely going to happen again by the same people.. Or bring the law in to it? The problem is we dont know if they will pull something like this again..

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

???????????? pixels???????????

the more i read this tread the more confused i'll be.....

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

The chans had no legal or moral right in this at any point, and their behavior demonstrates that they knew it. People who were in the right, legally or morally, would not have undermined themselves by constant illegal and immoral behavior such as spamming, harassment, bullying, and stalking.

But that sort of thing is how they get their kicks, evidently, whether they pretend there was any sort of provocation or not. On the one hand, I'm not thrilled that their tactics have received further encouragement; on the other hand, I'd generally consider using someone's "meme" to be something of a compliment, and they certainly don't need any compliments or honors.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Quote:

; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Also... there is also the danger of subeta gettign sued. Before the war was over, 420 choose ' hey, lets mail the large company's such as disney and mcdonalds about copyright'. A few company's responded, and are investigating. There still may be an approching doom.

That's true, Linxy. I have a friend who's dad works for Disney Corporate in Burbank, CA. My friend doesn't like talking about it too much but they sued a day care center a few years back.

Disney won.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I didn't understand why people were fighting about longcat. What did the people do? did they copy it or something?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Also... there is also the danger of subeta gettign sued. Before the war was over, 420 choose ' hey, lets mail the large company's such as disney and mcdonalds about copyright'. A few company's responded, and are investigating. There still may be an approching doom. However, some mails, however, had a weak case. The worst ones I fear are the ' pokeball' item mail and the star wars items. Hopefully Keith can pull through for us.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

You dont own Jesus, or who ever your god is, but you'll be sure as hell ticked if someone took the image of Jesus, and put it on a human avatar. Thats like an insult to the chans from us 'furries', ( whom they hate just for the fact of), to take their hoyl figure and wear it. But as I said before, no ammount of law inforcment can stop the chans. 500 chans, all having their IP hidden. No one can find them, and if one or two get caught its not gonna affect them as a whole. It'd take billions of trackers, and law enforcment all over the world to catch each and every one of them, but you must also remember. 420 is jsut ONE group. There also 4chan, 2chan etc. NOTHING can stop them. So its just best to leave them be.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I think you mean fend off, not "find off"

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

IMHO, I wouldn't want to wear something that could incur the wrath of hackers. Icon or no, I'm just not going to make myself a target. I mean, I live in Los Angeles and I won't be stupid enough to wear red in a blue gang area, you know? I'm glad the longcat is gone so we can all live peaceful lives again.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I'm probably the only one here who doesn't even know what this longcat item is or what it looks like. Is it something to do with that photo of someone holding up the white cat that was taken has looked it up on Wikipedia Why on EARTH would a silly picture like that become some kind of cult, powerful enough to actually make a site like Subeta take down an item that resembled it due to being accused of stealing it or something (I may be wrong here) I think people should find better things to do with their lives than fuss over "long cats"

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Oh my! I like dragons, but we shouldn't have had to to get rid of Longcat itself. It would've been better to have changed the name, image and description and still have it be a cat. Or maybe a skunk. I'm getting sick of these smart mouthed, lying channers posting here. It wasn't their creation to begin with.

And they still raided this site for the hell of it, just like they tried to do New Grounds. This won't stop them from being net terrorists, but hopefully we can push tougher laws and regulations through congress and the senate to go after psychos like these. I'm willing to do what needs to be done in order for this to happen.

Thank you for the dragon though. I know the terrorists will screw up somewhere, will be exposed and get caught somewhere down the road.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

cool new item O.o bit confused about why the longcat caused so much trouble though, its only an item o_O;

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I wasn't referring to superbia. It's ok to have pride in yourself, just not to think your all that and a burrito. I was referring to the definition of cowardice. The fact that most now thinks it's ok to let someone control them just because they feel like it. If that was the case I'd be getting rich from making people give me $20 bucks.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

ryakovski: I agree that the taunting and suchlike was the wrong thing to do. Inflaming the situation was not a good thing to do. I also typed my reply before i saw yours So i didn't see it until after i posted.

I cn understand a little of why the 420chans were so angry and i understand that they feel they were provoked, i just think maybe all of the attacking was a little over the top.

I am just glad its all(hopefully) sorted out. I like the Draconis, its a good subsitution

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Just for the record, I have taken my cat, who is whitish, and held him up by the arm pits...

HE LOOKS LIKE A LOOONG CAT...

O.o

Maybe my sister and I should sue Rally's for their "rapcat" idea since when we were 11 and 8 we made our black and white cat dress up and danced him around to the beat only side of Vanilla Ice's "Ice Ice Baby" and sang our own words "Ice Ice Kitty?"

Or at the very least, rob a few stores?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Great Job Guys ! you held strong and left with dignity , and where able to show that it wasn't longcat we wanted, just something for our HA's, that being Draconis , congratz ! ^^

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

i just found it thank you! didnt notice that it could be here..

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Look in the overchest section, and if not, go buy one for 20k.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

STOP! I JUST LOST ITEM! GRRRRR! Longcat was in my wardrobe. not its not. its not even into my inventory. and i can not find rewqamped item, grrrr AND IM PRETTY ANGRY!!!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Pride /is/ silly. Pride is a sin, to some, even. Pride is what caused all this damage. Cowards? Hardly. Understanding you arent invincible, or you arent as high and mighty as you think, and stopping this was the most mature thing I've been from this war. Bravery? Isnt the there a quote saying ' Theres a thin line between being brave and being stupid.'? In my opinion, I'd rather be smart.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Well i have to say i have not been on subeta much this week and week or so... but i read this and this News Post is really touching and if i was..... well to say something about this i would say... i would say you did a very good job of apologizing to everyone who was affected. So please accept this comment as a award for your kindness to everyone.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

i didn't understand anything of this discussion...i don't know who is this 420 etc...but i like cats, i thought longcat looked nice, and didn't know that it had a "function"... whatever...the new thing is very sweet!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

It's one thing to be a coward, it's another to show it. Every comment so far as been made in cowardice. I wasn't ashamed to be a member until reading this page. Telling people that bulling others is ok and that pride is silly. :/

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Oh, snap. I liked Longcat sigh Oh well. I just hope that everything will be good now.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Haha, owned by internet terrorists.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

you probably did the right thing. and the new snake-thingy is... just adorable loves thanks for letting us know what's going on.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Yes. ALOT of money. Theres sopposedly hundreds of 420 channers, and some 4chan as I now read. I seriously doubt the FBI would spend all their funds on this kind of thing.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Yep that's true too. That's why I think the decision to get rid of the cat was the right one. It's not something you can fight.

Let's say you want to stand up to the bully at your school. you have so many options. You can either fight back with violence, beat the crap out of them which would likely get you in trouble too. Or you could go to the headmaster, your parents, if it gets worse, school disctrict council, police and if all else fails, het a laywer. And plus with a school bully, you know who it is. You know who all is involved.

But you cannot do that with the 420ers since they're all hiding. They don't face you. They do everything from a distance that takes influence and real life money to trace.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

We weren't aware of the ability of one item to take down multiple fan-dedicated sites, and cause a legion of internet users to attack Subeta and it's users, not only on Subeta, but on other sites.

No offense, but you were. I warned you well enough.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Kuschelfloh, also the fact that 420 is NOT a single organization. Its a legion of people, who if actually taken up in a case with authority, wouldnt be harmed in the slightest. So what if oen or two were arrested? Many would remain, and the idea, the thought of 420 would still be there.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

[quote=STIJN]Internet criminality is a bloody laugh. [/STIJN]

Exactly. Authorities only do someting when they see cash. That's why the chans don't attack that petsite with an "N" because it's owned by Viacom/MTV, basicly those with the big bucks. Read up what theior lawyers did to that hacker guy who just duped the items. They mean serious busniess. But with normal people and small websites such as subeta no one gives a crap at the authorities.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Quote By Kuschelfloh:

; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Let me explain it with an analogy. Let's say your school has a gaint Doc Martin Boot as a mascot. It's your pride and joy and everyone in your school loves wearing it and you make up funny quotes etc. Now someone at your school whol likes your mascot is also a member of a group that is everything that you personally hate. Let's say in this case he's part of a neonazi pedo club and they decide to use your mascot boot thing, as a logo for their marches or CP spreading websites. Would you not consider it stealing and abuse of something that's your's?

I would SO hug you if I could.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

In their eyes Subeta stole the cat. Let me explain it with an analogy. Let's say your school has a gaint Doc Martin Boot as a mascot. It's your pride and joy and everyone in your school loves wearing it and you make up funny quotes etc. Now someone at your school whol likes your mascot is also a member of a group that is everything that you personally hate. Let's say in this case he's part of a neonazi pedo club and they decide to use your mascot boot thing, as a logo for their marches or CP spreading websites. Would you not consider it stealing and abuse of something that's your's? You cannot patent the concept of a boot either yet, in a way it's still stealing. Now the chans hate everything that is different. Gays, pet site players just to name a few. That's why they hate Subeta, and other petsites and also Gaia etc. So subeta, a website they consider pure filth, takes their mascot which in their eyes makes it abuse and stealing. It has noting to do with any legal copyright etc.

That's why they call it stealing.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

They have yet to demand anything other from us, so this DOES satisfy most of their people. They dont CARE what you think of them, but their very prideful in being called what they are called. Asking THEM for an apology? I'm sorry to say, but you dont know much about this war. They are watching us now, and they are infact targetting people. Asking them to be sorry is like knocking on their door and begging to be attacked.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Quote By ChaosRocket:

; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">They're both pathetic and psycho for going as far as death threats, stalking, and hacking over something as trivial as a fictional cat that doesn't even belong to them. They should absolutely be apologizing to us.

LURK MOAR. Longcat is real. Go look for photos of it. Also, as I have mentioned demanding for apologies from Anonymous=BEGGING for rape. Try reading all comments. Quote By menmeryiset:

; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Mascot or not, the Longcat did not belong to 420chan in the first place, so they had no right to demand a site to delete it. I think the longcat issue was just an excuse to attack Subeta because it was fun and they had nothing better to do. I looked on that forum and some of the things people were doing or saying they wanted to do was majorly over the top for a small pixel cat that doesn't belong to them. If the owner of the cat turned round and asked the chans to take his/her pic off their site, would they do so? I doubt it. So why ask Keith too. I think Keith did what he had to, to try and stop the attacks, for the users sake. To the person who keeps saying Keiths stole it: who did they steal it from? and what constitutes stealing in your eyes?

Read the stuff below, as I have typed out previously. Quote By ryakovski:

; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">First off, statickshock. I did not mention that Longcat belongs to 420chan, what I said was that Longcat belongs to all chans, as a community. There were screencaps that showed Keith taunting 420chan(which you all would probably not believe, but Hell), my point is that he knew the consequences, and still did it. It is the reason the raid lasted for such a long time. If there were no other reasons, raids that were done for lulz would last probably 3 days or so. BoaConstrictor, if he wasn't trying to taunt 420chan, why would he give Longcat the description : "Longcat is loooooong"? The whole thing originated from the *chan forums, he knew it, and he did it. Also, demanding an apology from Kirt and/or Anonymous=BEGGING for rape. Raids might even commence just because there are demands for apologies from Anonymous. The Legion is NOT something to be trifled with. For what I know, your brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, etc. might even be a part of the raid. Anonymous is a concept, easy to understand, yet difficult to handle. You can never defeat Anonymous, because it is not a know organization, it is not a person. It is a concept, an idea; you cannot touch it, cannot hold it, and most certainly cannot destroy it.

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