Subeta -

May 21, 2007 6:37 pm

Longcat is GONE. It has been removed from the site, and Draconis has taken it's place.

I'd like to take this time to issue an apology to you, the users. In the past month we have been handling a situation with multiple sites, over a silly 64x64 canvas filled with pixels. This was known to all of us as Longcat, and wasn't an important item on the site.

The item caused confusion, and most of all it caused controversy on Subeta, as well as outside of Subeta. We kept fighting for Longcat and Subeta in hopes that it would protect the users, and make Subeta appear strong, and able to find off any attack. Whatever you've been told, keeping Longcat was never about pride, it was about keeping the site safe from internet terrorists now, and in the future.

We weren't aware of the ability of one item to take down multiple fan-dedicated sites, and cause a legion of internet users to attack Subeta and it's users, not only on Subeta, but on other sites. We asked all users to change passwords, and make changes to their internet lives that could have been spared, had the item not been kept up.

Some will look at this as a loss for Subeta, while we are viewing it as a definite win. We are able to continue about our business and create fun, exciting new things for all of you to do, and you are able to play Subeta without worrying about what is lurking, and who is really your friend.

Again, we all apologize for any problems that you may have experienced in the past month due to this little group of pixels, and we hope that all of you keep playing Subeta. The site is about you, the users, and would be nothing without you. We also want to extend an apology to any community outside of Subeta that has been affected by this, including the communities we were having this problem with - all of the chans. Hopefully we can all move on to things that are more important :) We also apologize for any actions we took that may have provoked the chans, including taunting or pushing them to make sure they knew we weren't going to give up. All of this we accept as our fault, and we are apologizing to every party for.

Starting out the new features, is the Cult Revamp! Recoded to work much better, you can now create a cult and choose from a number of pre-made templates, which range from Angelic to Hydrus :)

We are leaving the comments on this post open, in hopes that everyone can play nice. We will disable that easy if need be.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">I doubt most of the attacking was over the Longcat. Most did it because it amused them and because they could! Mascot or not, the Longcat did not belong to 420chan in the first place, so they had no right to demand a site to delete it. I think the longcat issue was just an excuse to attack Subeta because it was fun and they had nothing better to do. I looked on that forum and some of the things people were doing or saying they wanted to do was majorly over the top for a small pixel cat that doesn't belong to them. If the owner of the cat turned round and asked the chans to take his/her pic off their site, would they do so? I doubt it. So why ask Keith too. I think Keith did what he had to, to try and stop the attacks, for the users sake. To the person who keeps saying Keiths stole it: who did they steal it from? and what constitutes stealing in your eyes?

Whether they own it or not is irrelevant information in their eyes. Like said many times before, longcat was not the reason this continued for so long. Keith looking out for the users? He wouldv'e removed it a long time ago and apologized.

There is more to it than that.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

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; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">I know, that it never was a legal issue. It should be one now (and should have become long ago),though. And all these immature, filthy wrongdoers should be sued by "real" official forces. We are talking internet criminality, right? They didn't just scam game accounts here, but hacked the personal off-Subeta areas of some people

Internet criminality is a bloody laugh.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

i don't even know why the whole fuss over longcat was about, but why would you take it away?? it's stupid to me!! if they didn't like it then they should of just dealt with it!!!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I doubt most of the attacking was over the Longcat. Most did it because it amused them and because they could! Mascot or not, the Longcat did not belong to 420chan in the first place, so they had no right to demand a site to delete it. I think the longcat issue was just an excuse to attack Subeta because it was fun and they had nothing better to do. I looked on that forum and some of the things people were doing or saying they wanted to do was majorly over the top for a small pixel cat that doesn't belong to them. If the owner of the cat turned round and asked the chans to take his/her pic off their site, would they do so? I doubt it. So why ask Keith too. I think Keith did what he had to, to try and stop the attacks, for the users sake. To the person who keeps saying Keiths stole it: who did they steal it from? and what constitutes stealing in your eyes?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

sigh This just teaches the channers that they can bully people and get their way. They're both pathetic and psycho for going as far as death threats, stalking, and hacking over something as trivial as a fictional cat that doesn't even belong to them. They should absolutely be apologizing to us. I really don't know how they even live with themselves.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Cool it looks way better.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Finally.

Now, I can concentrate on getting everything back in order.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

This whole things was ridiculus to begin with...I don't care if anyone I know is involved. All I have to say is that whoever were in those raids are sad excuses for humans, if you're human at all. I do believe the term online terriorists fit them perfectly well.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

great...now its gone and everything's solved?

Can we go back to normal now? (remove that annoying thing in shop search pls)

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I honestly don't see why it's such a big deal. But before someone yells at me, i have no knowledge of where it came from and 420chan. I only see it on dA and a little on other websites so i could be wrong and it might be a big deal.

I do not hate nor love longcat. I meerly nothing it.

I take no sides.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

sigh I can't believe that people are still argueing over this... x__x" (And now... I'm wating desperatly for the Draconis to become wearable

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

You know, I considered this whole bit the "Wolrd(wideweb) War 1" I'm glad it's finally over, and I survived.

all in all, I'm glad Subeta survived..

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

cough Wow, nerds, I'm sure they get that a lot in real life. That made me even more firm in my belief that the attackers have no life. Dragonis is way cooler then a cat..that's long no matter how you look at it...big scary strong reptile that demands respect..or little fuzzy mammal that is food for said reptile. The symbolism speaks for itself.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

.. grr, it ate my heart. I gave you a heart Bolt, but Subeta eated it. I'm glad to have you back.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Quote By ryakovski:

; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">First off, statickshock. I did not mention that Longcat belongs to 420chan, what I said was that Longcat belongs to all chans, as a community. There were screencaps that showed Keith taunting 420chan(which you all would probably not believe, but Hell), my point is that he knew the consequences, and still did it. It is the reason the raid lasted for such a long time. If there were no other reasons, raids that were done for lulz would last probably 3 days or so. BoaConstrictor, if he wasn't trying to taunt 420chan, why would he give Longcat the description : "Longcat is loooooong"? The whole thing originated from the *chan forums, he knew it, and he did it. Also, demanding an apology from Kirt and/or Anonymous=BEGGING for rape. Raids might even commence just because there are demands for apologies from Anonymous. The Legion is NOT something to be trifled with. For what I know, your brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, etc. might even be a part of the raid. Anonymous is a concept, easy to understand, yet difficult to handle. You can never defeat Anonymous, because it is not a know organization, it is not a person. It is a concept, an idea; you cannot touch it, cannot hold it, and most certainly cannot destroy it.

/copypasta for epicness

And welcome back, Bolt.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

It is over now. Lets focus on making Subeta even better and on avoiding such conflicts in the future. Everybody makes mistakes, the wise ones learn from them

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Well, statements like that make me even angryer, I don't want to live in a world, where I have to succumb to threats in order to keep living a humble life!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Quote By BoaConstrictor:

; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">So you're saying, there is a huge criminal organisation out there and officials are not intervening?

What I am saying is that they would not be able to do so even if they want to. Even if they catch one, would not know if it's that person for real. And now, back to class, and by last and only advice : Stop demanding apologies from Anonymous and/or Kirt. It's for your own good.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

So you're saying, there is a huge criminal organisation out there and officials are not intervening?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Awww. ;D Go Subeta. ^___^ I am biased. so, I will always support Subeta anyway. x3

Anyway. Yayness..for..the awesome ness of Subeta. -nodnod-

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Quote By BoaConstrictor:

; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Well, lock them up somewhere? Where officials ever involved?

What if your friends were involved in the raid? What if you your family members were? You don't know for sure. The Anonymous Legion had members everywhere and anywhere, you cannot destroy it. There is a reason why V for Vandetta was used so many times in their raids. Understand this now, Anonymous cannot be destroyed.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

First off, statickshock. I did not mention that Longcat belongs to 420chan, what I said was that Longcat belongs to all chans, as a community. There were screencaps that showed Keith taunting 420chan(which you all would probably not believe, but Hell), my point is that he knew the consequences, and still did it. It is the reason the raid lasted for such a long time. If there were no other reasons, raids that were done for lulz would last probably 3 days or so.

BoaConstrictor, if he wasn't trying to taunt 420chan, why would he give Longcat the description : "Longcat is loooooong"? The whole thing originated from the *chan forums, he knew it, and he did it.

Also, demanding an apology from Kirt and/or Anonymous=BEGGING for rape.

Raids might even commence just because there are demands for apologies from Anonymous. The Legion is NOT something to be trifled with. For what I know, your brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, etc. might even be a part of the raid. Anonymous is a concept, easy to understand, yet difficult to handle. You can never defeat Anonymous, because it is not a know organization, it is not a person. It is a concept, an idea; you cannot touch it, cannot hold it, and most certainly cannot destroy it.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I know, that it never was a legal issue. It should be one now (and should have become long ago),though. And all these immature, filthy wrongdoers should be sued by "real" official forces. We are talking internet criminality, right? They didn't just scam game accounts here, but hacked the personal off-Subeta areas of some people Quote By Bolt:

; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Guys, asking for an apology from the chans would only make them angry.

Well, lock them up somewhere? Where officials ever involved?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

That must have been a really hard decision to make there, Keith.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Guys, asking for an apology from the chans would only make them angry. Dumb idea. I'm just glad that it's OVER. Kudos to the admins and Keith and everyone for stepping up and getting rid of it.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Why do people make such a huge deal about pixels? God, it's like yelling at wall. Now go and hang with your friends.

Who won the potion lottery?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

it was never about copyrights tio the chans. It was about their mascot being used on a site they see as everything that is disgusting. This was never a legal issue.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

ryakovski, where is the copyright to a thing even called "Longcat"? And show us the picture of this weird chan's "Longcat"! I doubt, that it looks the same as Subeta's, does it? I didn't pay much attention to this whole business other than more and more levelling this chan forum (is that what it is?) to those sick users, who rampaged around here with their appalling postings/pics and their criminal deeds (like thos idiotic gangs you find in the US). NOW, I AM getting really angry! Please, finally soneone post the picture of "Chan's Longcat" and, if this picture exists, the copyright to that picicture, to finally clear things up! And I DEMAND, that chan apologises to Subeta Users for their members, too, since obviously chan asked that of Keith. Starting something like that over a picture is more than ridiculous!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I don't care for longcat anymore-I have something! The great friends I've made at this wonderful community. You've done good, Keith (and staff). I'm just glad that subeta is back and that my account is safe. When I saw that picture of The Fresh Prince of Bell Air pop-up when I (multiple times) tried to visit the site, it didn't work. And besides, we can be a bit more original with the replace item, right?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I agree with Bagheera23608 that it was a noble thing for Keith to do, and I appreciate the motivation behind it. I'm just still upset and worried because it looks like there are chansmen here on the site.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

i found this site to be more amusing then any other pet site.....but with all of this around i think finally keith had actually made the right decision......

certain fact are to be understand here;

this is just a pet site (which we can hang out and have fun)
why go to a certain pain/trouble when it's just concerning pixel.....
sometimes the bravest thing to do is to apologize...

either way there's no point of going to far just for it...since there are tonnes of cool stuff here...

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I still think - oh what does it matter. Yes - we (the users)deserve an apology from the channers. No way to even argue that point. So. Don't. We didn't ask for this. You started it. And where I went to kindergarten the one who started it made the apology. Then the other party apologized...(Using a public access item is NOT claiming ownership therefore Subeta users who were attacked here and elsewhere did nothing to deserve this.) I feel sorry for Keith giving into ridiculous demands. For some reason it brings to mind shaving Aslan's mane off. Cruel and unneccessary. (And spare me the Christian connotations.) See tho - it didn't stop. Keith apologized and they didnt like the way it was worded?!?!? Gimme a break. In the end, I say thanks to Keith. You didnt do anything so wrong as to deserve what happened to your users. Thanks for taking the fall.....

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I was sorry to hear of the demise of longcat. He was a cute little fellow and draconis has not quite got the same appeal, but perhaps he will grow on me.

Saying that, it is now time to move on. May Subeta now go from strength to strength. This is a wonderful site and I for one, appreciate that you did all you could to preserve the site for us, its users.

Good luck Admin. team for the future.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Personally, the only thing that would make me happy would be a public apology by Kirtaner (the owner of 420chan). After everything he's allowed to happen, and even encouraged, I think it's the least he could do.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

ryakovski, I love how you gloss over the entire 420chan side. "Keith did this, and this, and this, and420chanrespondedwithalloutwar, and therefore it's all Keith's fault." Keep in mind, Longcat isn't even 420chan's - if it belongs to anybody, it belongs to 2chan, which didn't really care either way about all this nonsense, even though 420chan made several attempts to bait them into helping.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I liked the Longcats..

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Quote By Nyaochan:

; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">I wouldn't get your hopes up just yet. if anyone's actually lurked at the forum, they're apparently still debating whether to actually leave us alone or not.

They'll probably stop. The lulz is gone anyway.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Longcat belongs to the original poster that decided to share it in a public forum. It is ridiculous for people to be willing to make death threats over this. All that does is prove that these individuals and their supporters are completely insane and amoral, and I do not feel any safer now that this has happened. I feel as if they will just be encouraged to throw their weight around elsewhere, and I also feel as if this will encourage some of them to stay here. ::sigh::

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I wouldn't get your hopes up just yet. if anyone's actually lurked at the forum, they're apparently still debating whether to actually leave us alone or not. Probably just a bluff, but...yeah. I like the Draconis, but I probably won't wear it unless I put together an outfit it actually matches with...XP

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Quote By ThaMasta:

; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">I just wanna know who won tha Potion Lottery...

Sadly, there are more important things at hand.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Quote By Minyassa:

; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">People that make death threats are terrorists, plain and simple. Giving in to terrorists has never, historically, been a good idea.

Are you saying that we should've kept Longcat instead, and BEG for more attacks? Two wrongs will not make one right. Anonymous being wrong doesn't mean it's right for Subeta to steal Longcat. Though Longcat does not belong to one person, it belongs to the Chan community as a whole.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

There's a difference between not giving into terrorists when you're a huge nation that has nuclear weapons and FBI and stuff at your disposal or if you're a small website that has no legal backup or protection against acommunity of people who are logistically superior and aren't held back by morals or legality. It's not about not giving into terrorists, it's about using your brain.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Quote By staticshock:

; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">It really pains me to see so many of you just accepting that accounts getting hacked are just a natural consequence of all this. The fact is, Anon started this war, they're the only ones responsible for it continuing for this long, and it will end just as soon as they stop. If anything, they're the ones that owe US an apology for all this smelly.

Apparently, you only see YOUR side of the whole thing. Stuff happened like this : Keith steals Longcat and made it into some weird scarf, Anonymous demands the removal but what he did was taunt Anonymous, and I quote(One of Keith's posts, though not 100% accurate) : "I did the smart thing, I fueled the fire instead". He knew Anonymous hated it, but he did it anyway and even TAUNTED THEM, and things become worse after that. After massive raids and some negotiations, it ends.

Anonymous wouldn't mind if the users were to post Longcat images on the forums, but claiming Longcat was the property of Subeta is just too much. THINK.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

People that make death threats are terrorists, plain and simple. Giving in to terrorists has never, historically, been a good idea.

" It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,

For fear they should succumb and go astray; So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,

You will find it better policy to say: -- "We never pay any-one Dane-geld,

No matter how trifling the cost; For the end of that game is oppression and shame,

And the nation that pays it is lost!" " --Rudyard Kipling

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I love you, Keith, can I adopt you? :3

You did the right thing! Thanks to all staff for all the stuff they did to protect users. Those were a huge amount of overtime hours, I'm sure.

I guess you should all take a vacation (with a laptop, though so you can still make artses and update the site xD )

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Well... it's about time though I'll miss that cute little item x3

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Long overdue. I am glad that we can finally close at least one chapter of this thing that was stupidly silly and yet really serious all at the same time.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I hardly care, but I'd like to point out a few things that may be of some people's interest to read and debate against; 1) The longcat poll results were completely ignored. 2) THEY should be the ones apologizing, my mind still isn't recovered from some of the horrible things they made me have to see. Some people lost more. Lots more.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Well, all I've got to say is that I'm glad I stayed the heck out of all of this. xDD I think the Draconis is way better, too. =D And P.S: The Draconis is in the overchest category not the body as the Longcat was. ;D

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Quote By SleepyxTunaxFish:

; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">And who is Anon?

Anon=anonymous

Use @username to mention someone. Supports markdown formatting.

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