Neugarten, the new Alegarten

June 22, 2018 4:11 pm

Summer is here, my liebchens, und look at this sunshine! There's nothing I like more than sharing food, drink und good times with old friends und new friends under ze sun, ja? I am very excited this year because I am getting to see you early, und also because I am finally able to really turn over ze new leaf und go full vegan! Saying goodbye to my old ways was tough, but rewarding. It was ze right time for me, und even if it isn't ze right time for you to make ze full switch or being vegan isn't something you're into or able to do, I hope you'll come und enjoy some new foods und ideas during this festival.

A new leaf requires a new name, ja, so I'd like to welcome you all to celebrate Neugarten with me! I’ll be grilling up hot food und vegan ale und beer over at Gunter's Grill, und two others from ze vegan community are joining me to sell some awesome vegan products. Manwar from ze Trading Card Center is here selling many packaged vegan ingredients und replacements, from non-dairy milks to his favorite hummus recipes, und Rumi from Stick it to ze Man! is here selling various Fashion und Lifestyle items. Just a taste of vegan life right now, hopefully, next year we can come back bigger und even better!

My niece, Anne, asked me if she could stand in for me to sell some of our old products, which I'm pleased for her to do, I like having my niece around! I also love all my customers, und hope you will try new things as well as ze old!

Come along, enjoy some new food und we're here for questions if you're interested in learning more. We’ll be here until July 3rd at 11:59PM!

July 1, 2018, 9:48 am by

I wish there was some gluten free item like arrowroot four, organic rice flour, gluten free bread, organic rice, vegetable chips and gluten free cookies also

July 1, 2018, 4:54 am by

❤ These look so yummy! I wish I could try them!

June 29, 2018, 4:36 am by

... oh

i love all the new food items, 10/10 would eat IRL but i'm a bit confused as to why this seems to have completely replaced the old holiday

also, why is everything straight up VEGAN and there are no vegetarian items? :(

June 28, 2018, 11:12 pm by

Okay not going to touch the whole vegan thing. I know many great vegans who don't push that people who eat meat are evil and that's it's a lifestyle choice and I know many vegans who treat anyone who eats meat like the most evil people in the world.

I for one love the idea of some new foods and such, even vegan. What I do hate is that they have changed an entire great holiday for this and are pushing a, go vegan or you hate animals kind of thinking. No. Just stop.

June 26, 2018, 8:37 pm by

I liked most of what you said, but I really don't think we should just "leave animals alone". I hope that doesn't mean you're also against keeping pets. People forget that many animals chose to live with us. There are tons of stories about rescued wild animals that want to stay with their people and return even after being released. Dogs exist because wolves chose to live with us.

My personal opinion is that animals should be incorporated into our lives and habitats. Conservation projects have helped people who are herders in Africa stop killing tigers and cheetahs by providing them with dogs so that they don't need to kill the big cats to protect their families and their livelihoods. Obviously many animals are too big and dangerous to live freely in human homes and human habitations but they should have protected spaces to live in areas where we have encroached on their natural living space. Ultimately I don't see segregation of humans and animals as being healthy or liable to prevent extinctions. Humans will protect what they love and care about, and in order to love or care about animals, they need to know animals. I'm all about encouraging relationships between humans and animals, because that's what's going to bring us into the future with more species surviving, including our own.

("Exotic pets" are often used as a wedge issue by the animal rights movement--voters think they have to vote for a proposed law because they don't want to live next door to people who think they can keep tigers in apartments or three-bedroom ranch houses, and aren't really aware that what they're actually doing is forcing people to give up snakes, lizards, ferrets, sugar gliders, and smaller felines like servals and caracals that have been bred in captivity, bond tightly to their owners and often die when separated from their owners. Anyone who wants to learn more about this should check out the Feline Conservation Federation.)

June 26, 2018, 7:04 pm by

Y I K E S

so basically someone is high and mighty that they're veg, and decided to take a meat based holiday and turn it into a veg based holiday instead of just incorporating the two together.

and all the veg who claim they aren't "that type of vegan" are putting on display exactly how they are that type of vegan. congrats on this shit show.

June 26, 2018, 5:32 pm by

Many other people have voiced similar opinions, but I’m going to throw in my two cents anyway. Having more veg/vegan foods is great, having a veg/vegan holiday is great. Replacing an existing holiday with it is not great. Neugarten could have and should have been its own thing.

June 26, 2018, 12:48 pm by

Super cool with the vegan food and stuff. Not cool with the convertion of Alegarten, they just dont seem to have much in common, a new event/festival would have been much more interesting and full of posibilities. Confuse about most of the mean/heated comments.

June 26, 2018, 10:35 am by

lot of takes in this one

June 25, 2018, 6:18 pm by

- That's a good way to put it, I think. The event idea itself is fine, but it's such a large leap from what Alegarten originally was (especially in regards to the wearables) that it just feels... jarring, at least to me. It works as part of Gunter's character arc going by the news post about the monthly challenger tied to him, but as far as the playerbase is concerned, I think this would've gone over better with more people if the new theme was either just part of the event instead of (at least temporarily, from the sound of it?) replacing the old theme altogether, or if it was tied to an event that was already more thematically related, like Vesnali. As it is, it does kind of feel like the old Alegarten was thrown out entirely (sans for being able to buy the old items) in favor of something that's practically as far from the old theme as you can get. 😥

June 25, 2018, 4:34 pm by

This!

Plus the clothing was all Old or Traditional German, now it's graphic tees??? Not what I came to Alegarten for!

Why not do what was done with Masquerade? Steampunk + Cyberpunk now? Ale & NueGarten~ Traditional and Vegan Nuwave.

June 25, 2018, 2:47 pm by

Soooo not going to go through all the comments, but I think I realized what was rubbing me the wrong way about all this. By having such a hard change out of nowhere for a very specific themed event, ie, very german inspired, traditional largely meat based foods and beer, and shifting completely to healthy vegan food. It’s not merely adding that spectrum for vegan people, it’s taking away from the other people, or worse yet with the transformation it feels like it’s forcing that prior demographic into this new box. It feels like.... going to a rock concert and all the same people are there as last time but now they’re only performing like... polka or rap or any other genre of music besides the one you were anticipating. Even if you’re ok with the change like... you got all pumped for rock and now you’re not getting it. So you talk to a vender like ‘hey didn’t realize this was a different thing, sort of figured all the same people ect.... is the fall rock concert still happening?’ And the venders say ‘nope, no more rock, it’s all polka ect from here out’.

I think that’s where I’m rubbed wrong, by all means add vegan/vegetarian (better yet like some suggested full alternative diet eating stuff), but don’t add it at the expense of removing an event on the opposite spectrum. I think it’s unintentionally sending the wrong sort of message.

June 25, 2018, 1:24 pm by

Now that the arguing has calmed down, I'm going to make a suggestion. As a vegan I love the new items, but it seems unfair to have ONLY vegan items. I echo someone else's suggestion that this could be a festival catered to alternative eating as a whole. That would give you a LOT of other options to work with, like diets that cater to specific allergies or diseases, other ethical diets, health diets, people who hunt/fish/farm their own food, and even foods specific to other cultures or countries to expand on the original alegarten theme. Not only do I think this would be fun and interesting to have so many different themes, I think the comments here are a good indicator that the idea of an exclusive event isn't well received by a lot of people. It's not like it's real life and you're asking a vegan couple to have a pig roast at their wedding, this is a site where everyone is welcome, so all styles of eating should be included, not just one.

So yeah, I know I'm only one user, but I hope the staff at least considers my points. I reaaaally don't want to see our community at odds like this every again.

June 25, 2018, 1:15 pm by

Did I read vegan? Vegan food? And lots of them? Man, that's really cool! Thank you! Wish I could try them all myself! They look so yummy omg

June 25, 2018, 10:12 am by

I love eating plantbased products and veggie burgers though I am not vegan or vegeterian, I am excited for these new food items!

June 24, 2018, 8:48 pm by

I really like the Neugarten Oatmeal items! And the art on all the new foods is really good! Well done, team!

June 24, 2018, 8:08 pm by

Not gonna get into the veganism thing. It's kind of a silly argument and this isn't really the forum for it.

I'm just sad to have lost one of my favorite events on Subeta. With my father's failing health, I've been exploring more of my German heritage and this event gave me an opportunity to do so on-site. Wearables and food especially. I also loved the boozahol side of things, not just because it unabashedly reminded us that this is not a kid's site, but also because it highlighted fine brewing. But ultimately, Subeta's a business and they can do whatever they please. I'm bummed, but not entitled.

June 24, 2018, 5:40 pm by

I'm a little disappointed there was only one thing I wished to buy but glad others enjoyed.

June 24, 2018, 2:45 pm by

Argh, I can't find anything to match the light blue or yellow alegarten shirts or bodices. They never made skirts to go with all of these tops? How frustrating. :(

June 24, 2018, 2:13 pm by

I don't understand why so many people are upset. There are lots of non vegan foods on subeta so I think it;s nice to see some more vegan things offered. I would actually like to see Gunter leave a few samples in the regular food shop after the fest, being vegan myself I've been having fun feeding my pets all the vegan food. Let's just be kind to each other.

June 24, 2018, 12:15 pm by

I don't agree with a lot of the animal rights movement either, I know it's not possible and a lot of it is just dumb. Basically I just think animals should be left alone UNLESS absolutely necessary, such as food, conservation, pest control, etc. I just don't eat animals personally because I feel healthier not doing so, but I know that isn't the case for everyone. I was annoyed at all the debating when I posted my previous comments so disregard those, lol. Sometimes it's hard to be an easygoing vegan when people are so rude about it. I agree with many comments here that veganism ISN'T cruelty free, but I just don't like the way people put it, like we're the problem and they have no part in it. ALL of us cause some kind of harm in this world, unless you live completely off the grid and produce your own food (which isn't possible for most people).

June 24, 2018, 9:35 am by

Why is everyone so offended by this?

June 24, 2018, 8:10 am by

- that's because very few people have any idea what the "animal rights"/animal liberation movement is really about and I wish more people did because that would be the end of the "animal rights" movement.

These groups want to end pet ownership. They want to end basically all association between humans and animals whatsoever. They are opposed to life-saving medical research. They also don't much care if animals die as long as no human benefits from it. In fact, 95% of animals that end up in PeTA's care end up dead.

The food chain is a reality. I don't care whether you eat meat or drink milk or not. That's your business. But the animal liberation movement is utilitarian philosophy run amok and is run by people who don't actually know or care that much about animals. The nicer ones think that all animals can be returned to a wild state in whatever's left of the ecosystem after we have devoted every inch of arable land to soy and corn to feed 8 billion vegans and are presumably fertilising all those crops with human bodies and human manure. But you should hear the rest of them.

Here's Wayne Pacelle, the guy that runs HSUS:

“We have no ethical obligation to preserve the different breeds of livestock produced through selective breeding …One generation and out. We have no problems with the extinction of domestic animals. They are creations of human selective breeding.” – CEO Wayne Pacelle, as reported in Animal People News, May 1993

“I don’t want to see another cat or dog born.” – CEO Wayne Pacelle in Bloodties, 1994

Sadly this is very typical.

June 24, 2018, 8:10 am by

You know perfectly well what i meant lmao

June 24, 2018, 7:34 am by

as a celiac, I'm grateful for quinoa and for all that "fad diet ignorance" that makes it possible for me to eat outside of my house instead of having people look at me like "what is a gluten" or "oh my god you don't eat BREAD?"

June 24, 2018, 6:25 am by

I love the vegan food and other items so much. Thank you! Wish I could eat these IRL. :)

June 24, 2018, 5:25 am by

Oh wow is this all way too much over a whole bunch of nothing. I'm a meat eater but definitely support the site offering additional positive view points and options for those who identify otherwise. My boyfriend of four years is a vegetarian and we manage to live in harmony by being respectful each other's choices, it's really not that hard. Not everything has to revolve around the majority all the time.

And we recently discovered tempeh in Indonesia, it's delicious! My boyfriend is ambivalent about tofu but we both loved it.

June 24, 2018, 2:14 am by

... Well I guess I'm not entirely surprised the comments turned into a weird debate BUT.

Always thrilled for new food items, even if I find the character of Gunter changing over ironic. Gunter my guy, you murdered your brother, you can't really just turn over a new leaf there. Kinda gotta face some sorta justice for that. Food looks lovely though, for sure.

June 24, 2018, 2:07 am by

It would be nice if people weren't so dang judgmental over what others eat. Being a meat eater doesn't make you a bad person. Being a vegan doesn't make you a bad person. As long as the world is as overpopulated as it is, neither side will ever be "cruelty free". That's just a sad fact of reality.

June 24, 2018, 1:47 am by

I don't care if anyone's vegan or not, but the way this whole thing is turning is kinda dumb. Just make a new vegan event? Easier said than done, I'm sure, but... C'mon. It's alegarten.

June 24, 2018, 12:28 am by

I just want the Fantasy-esque Clothes back.

June 24, 2018, 12:22 am by

June 23, 2018, 11:14 pm by

Eye roll

June 23, 2018, 10:54 pm by

And as odd as I feel having to put more vegan stickers in my collection despite not being vegan, I like trying for a complete collection.

It's not weird, right?

June 23, 2018, 10:52 pm by

Yeah, I strikes me as weird that he can still look his niece in the eyes, knowing what he did. :c

June 23, 2018, 10:48 pm by

thank you subeta staff for the nice items! i love,,, BEET ROOT

June 23, 2018, 10:43 pm by

Look, can Gunter just get arrested already? Bastard killed his own brother, and he thinks turning vegan will wash away his sin? Pfft. Besides, I miss Titania.

June 23, 2018, 10:40 pm by

comment section, so ye, no.

My question is if we are getting more wearables? :)

June 23, 2018, 10:19 pm by

everyone is aware they still have a ton of the old german/meaty/etc items, right..? there's 2 separate shop areas.

June 23, 2018, 8:15 pm by

June 23, 2018, 6:35 pm by

As someone who is currently sitting in a basement full of German stuff and has a family very proud of their German heritage, and would attend monthly German picnics at the German-American club for the first decade-and-a-half of my life, even though I didn't care for Alegarten...

Yeah, I feel like a way better way to do this would have been to simply incorporate the vegan items into a newly branded festival. I think it would've been great if they were all "And we're introducing healthier items to welcome EVERYONE to our culture etc etc!", not reversing so damn hard in the other direction just to push a point. Like, I get it, but also, ew. I also wouldn't have appreciated if they had made items that were all made 100% from meat and said things like "animals exist only to be eaten and if you eat any plants you're a pansy!" like. Going so hard in one direction is gonna annoy the shit out of people so why not just chill.

I'm not gonna participate in this just like I didn't in Alegarten just cause nothing appeals to me. I'm not gonna get super mad but I'm gonna be annoyed. People are comparing this to LGBT stuff but uh last time I checked "being made fun of for being vegan which is 100% a choice you made for yourself" is reeeeally not in the same category as "having your rights taken away or getting disowned by family or getting physically attacked for something you have no control over" so like. Lmao.

June 23, 2018, 5:56 pm by

I kinda wish they had more than just Vegan options. I get that Gunter has switched to Veganism but what about vegetarians and people who do eat meat? couldn't they have someone do those recipes too? I also wish that this holiday hadn't seemed to put people on edge with each other. like vegans vs non vegans. Other than that, pretty neat stuff.

June 23, 2018, 5:13 pm by

vegan or nah? meat or nah?

June 23, 2018, 4:47 pm by

whew, not even gonna get into the weird arguments going on here. just wanted to say i love the items!

June 23, 2018, 3:54 pm by

are we gonna get any more hair/clothes items?

June 23, 2018, 3:43 pm by

Exactly! And if you write a post in return to disprove their points? "Wow, why are you getting so defensive? ?" uhhh maybe because you started bashing vegans for no reason first?

I agree. I avoid discussions about this topic as much as possible because people get really dumb about it, and then we get made out to be the bad guys because we hurt their feelings by stating researched, non biased facts. Stop pretending that the average person who eats meat researches/cares exactly where their food comes from, because they really don't.

I find it funny that "plants are alive too!!!" always gets brought up because then oh no..... that makes you guys even worse because you murder both animals AND plants! Plus what do you think the animals eat? Lmao

I'm sure the potatoes that I'm going to eat later had such a painful death ? Like, just let me eat my dead plants in peace.

June 23, 2018, 3:37 pm by

How the heck did "Let's not stereotype vegans as aggressive self-righteous jerks!" become "I AM MORE PUT UPON THAN THE REST OF YOU: THE TEXT BATTLE GAME ON A SUBETA NEWS POST"????

Y'all need to chill, fr.

June 23, 2018, 3:24 pm by

Yesss oh my goddddd, I don't care if people don't want to be vegan but quit bringing up every excuse in the book to bash veganism. THIS right here is why many vegans are are rude to meat eaters, because they can't just disagree without posting a long novel about every reason veganism is wrong. You don't like it when we do it, so maybe you should stop doing it to us. Most of us don't care about debating with meat eaters until you have to start being condescending and insulting about it.

And now we have the stupid plants argument brought in, because after all, a blade of grass and a cow are on EXACTLY the same level of consciousness. I'm sure the squash I'm going to eat for dinner is crying hysterically in some high frequency I can't hear because I'm going to brutally murder it and carve its guts out.

June 23, 2018, 3:13 pm by

True enough. It's still killing things, is what I meant.

June 23, 2018, 3:13 pm by

newsflash: everything is problematic and just because yours is socially accepted doesnt mean its better

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