Neugarten, the new Alegarten

June 22, 2018 4:11 pm

Summer is here, my liebchens, und look at this sunshine! There's nothing I like more than sharing food, drink und good times with old friends und new friends under ze sun, ja? I am very excited this year because I am getting to see you early, und also because I am finally able to really turn over ze new leaf und go full vegan! Saying goodbye to my old ways was tough, but rewarding. It was ze right time for me, und even if it isn't ze right time for you to make ze full switch or being vegan isn't something you're into or able to do, I hope you'll come und enjoy some new foods und ideas during this festival.

A new leaf requires a new name, ja, so I'd like to welcome you all to celebrate Neugarten with me! I’ll be grilling up hot food und vegan ale und beer over at Gunter's Grill, und two others from ze vegan community are joining me to sell some awesome vegan products. Manwar from ze Trading Card Center is here selling many packaged vegan ingredients und replacements, from non-dairy milks to his favorite hummus recipes, und Rumi from Stick it to ze Man! is here selling various Fashion und Lifestyle items. Just a taste of vegan life right now, hopefully, next year we can come back bigger und even better!

My niece, Anne, asked me if she could stand in for me to sell some of our old products, which I'm pleased for her to do, I like having my niece around! I also love all my customers, und hope you will try new things as well as ze old!

Come along, enjoy some new food und we're here for questions if you're interested in learning more. We’ll be here until July 3rd at 11:59PM!

June 22, 2018, 9:21 pm by

Why a 30 sec wait timer on buying old items from Anne, it’ll take forever to purchase all I missed. 😥

June 22, 2018, 9:15 pm by

TATERFEST SIGN ME UP OK OMG.

June 22, 2018, 9:11 pm by

o uo

June 22, 2018, 9:05 pm by

Maybe Altgarten then? For alternative eating choices or diets?

(btw, I just remembered: add non-dairy and other kinds of ice creams (frozen custards, frozen yogurts, sorbets, etc.) to the quota for next year for ideas. I've had to give up regular ice cream because it destroys my gut. I've discovered the joy of cashew milk ice cream though.)

June 22, 2018, 9:05 pm by

pls fund my kickstarter campaign subeta hobbitfest 2018, theme: taters 1000 ways

June 22, 2018, 9:03 pm by

idk if i can offer, i'm not asking for anything at all in return or a trade this is just free, but if anyone needs help buying something from the shops, i can help <3

June 22, 2018, 9:02 pm by

Happy for the return of the honesty pots btw, I always think they're super cute. ^_^

June 22, 2018, 9:01 pm by

Yay, (re)new(ed) event! :D

June 22, 2018, 9:00 pm by

Thankee kindly Amber! 😁

June 22, 2018, 9:00 pm by

i 100000000% throw myself and my sp behind hobbit potatoes

June 22, 2018, 8:58 pm by

The Brewery will close again once Neugarten ends, so will the shops run by Manwar, Gunter, and Rumi!

June 22, 2018, 8:56 pm by

me, before: i don't think i would like the taste of many vegan foods me, now: yum

June 22, 2018, 8:55 pm by

Eeehhhhhh... glad I got here after Gunter had his post reworded. I'm in it for the wardrobe achievements and Gourmand titles, less so for passive-aggressive angry vegan stereotypes.

June 22, 2018, 8:54 pm by

Will the old Brewery stock still go away after the end of the holiday like before? :o

June 22, 2018, 8:51 pm by

Okay is that long tirade calling veganism "stupid" really necessary? The subeta staff isn't even insulting ANYONE, anyone that thinks they are needs to unpick their wedgie and stop being so damn sensitive over pixel items. Everyone here has been very respectful and never said anything about meat eaters being horrible people, so how the hell was all that acid spewing rage called for? Maybe you should check your OWN attitude before you say anything about vegans.

June 22, 2018, 8:51 pm by

i understand this argument. i was more simply saying that its nice to see all the items on here drawn out in pixels and i personally don't see the exclusiveness, but i'm not on that side of the argument, so i can't speak for others. i just see how nice the items are and i'm collecting them all for my pet on here, and tbh while i've been a part of the arguments in the past, i don't see why every holiday on here has to bring another argument. if it's an outrageous thing, i see that. and again, i'm on the other side of this so i may be bias, but all of the items seem to be vegan friendly, not necessarily attacking or trying to drag anyone else down, just embracing vegan. everyone has their own lifestyle in which they live, and that is their thing. and while i'm sure there's a solid definition in which "vegan" is placed under, i don't see anything with this re-branding of a holiday or its items as playing into that. i kind of see a lot of hate and unkind things in the world in general, and i suppose i'm a hippie, but i would like one thing to be fun and non argumentative on here for once unless it calls for it. i don't believe this does. anyway, be blessed everyone <3

June 22, 2018, 8:51 pm by

neugarten: not enough potatoes

June 22, 2018, 8:49 pm by

i mean, i feel like alegarten would have more naturally transformed into a hobbit festival.... INSPIRATION FOR U: just sayin.

June 22, 2018, 8:49 pm by

"It was ze right time for me, und even if it isn't ze right time for you to make ze full switch or being vegan isn't something you're into or able to do, I hope you'll come und enjoy some new foods und ideas during this festival." - Gunter

I see the festival as more try new things and not YOU MUST LIVE YOUR LIFE THE WAY I DO DO NOT HURT ANIMALS BECAUSE I LOVE OATMEAL (i did that in caps because honestly that's just how I see gunter speaking always. at volume 10000). There are some judgmental vegans out there but tbh there's judgmental people in every group (religious, culture-based, etc). I don't see Gunter being one to turn people away just because they don't agree with his viewpoint (unless you're his brother because then you get murdered)

June 22, 2018, 8:42 pm by

i think the criticisms are more towards how the veganism is being portrayed in this context. I guess because it's a very, all or none kind of attitude, as opposed to various degrees of how committed one is to a vegan lifestyle. For example, one of my friends eats vegan, but buys shoes and clothing products even if they have animal hide used. Would that make her a fake vegan in eyes of other vegans?

I guess the concern people have is whether this Neugarten is respectful to all types of vegans out there, not just being "all vegan or you're not welcome" kind of mentality.

June 22, 2018, 8:40 pm by

Ok great that the new community guidelines are so vague they're impossible to decipher and you can delete a guy's comments for any reason, but veganism is still contributing to eutrophication, mass destruction of habitats and "cruelty-free" deaths of all the animals and biodiversity that inhabit and eat your food crops, screwing over indigenous populations by mainstreaming their staple crops, using stupid amounts of water to grow your stupid almond milk, use of fossil fuels for transporting exotic vegan goods, and a complete and utter ignorance of all things agriculture and animals. Calling yourself ~~cruelty-free~~ and thereby implying non-vegans are cruel is truly ironic. You are no more cruelty-free, you just don't have to deal with the "cruelty" up close and personal. Vegan synthetic fabrics are made of fossil fuels, they shed microfibers that end up in the oceans and waterways and kill fish and marine mammals, much like the soap micro-granule drama from a few years back. They can be extremely toxic for the underpaid 3rd world workers producing them in glorified sweatshops. But it's vegan leather, so it's cruelty-free, right?

June 22, 2018, 8:31 pm by

June 22, 2018, 8:29 pm by

Ahhh you are awesome thank you!!! I can't say I've seen a staff care so much about inclusion of their userbase before <3 You guys rock!!

June 22, 2018, 8:25 pm by

everyone is entitled, of course. i was just kind of surprised? maybe its because i'm on the vegan/veggie side of it that i don't get how people are offended, but i definitely can't speak for everyone or say how to feel. i hope everyone can have fun anyway, though. <3 (i'm on a heart spree sorry for all the hearts everyone if its annoying)

June 22, 2018, 8:25 pm by

June 22, 2018, 8:24 pm by

Ikr, I don't even see anything condescending here, at least not enough to get defensive about. That is nothing compared to some of the hateful things the really hardcore activists say on a daily basis, lol.

That would be cool :). I'm not part of the LGBT community but I support them 100%, and I'm always up for more diversity on here. Plus I love rainbows xD

June 22, 2018, 8:22 pm by

also i saw it mentioned... please sign me up for a "drop the beet" shirt, thank you <3

June 22, 2018, 8:19 pm by

Actually, this is pretty tame all things considered lol. Believe me, I've seen worse in past years. Everyone is allowed to voice their opinion, be it unpopular or part of the majority. I've never been an Alegarten fan, so if it ended permanently, I wouldn't have batted an eye.

I'm willing to give this Neugarten thing a chance though, even if it's not really my kind of thing.

June 22, 2018, 8:19 pm by

i'm a little sad because i'm german and i thought it was cool that we had an annual traditional oktoberfest event on the site. it was one of the main things that piqued my interest enough to keep playing when i joined 5 years ago, as weird as that might sound. i'm definitely NOT against attempts at inclusivity like this, i'm actually really happy to see so many people connecting with it and appreciating the representation. i just think that it was a bit odd to completely revamp a short cultural event like alegarten (like mentioned) into a vegan-centric event. it seems... contrived? i'm not sure how to phrase what i'm trying to say, but i'm really not trying to be rude.

June 22, 2018, 8:18 pm by

I'm sorry but Alegarten really has run its course. You can only get so much water from a sponge. We'll still get new meat items and there's revamps to look forward to!

June 22, 2018, 8:12 pm by

...there's a lot of anger okay. but i was excited to come on and see all the veggie/vegan items and now people are trying to make everyone feel bad about it. alright. but thank you for the items, and i hope everyone enjoys it <3 i hope i can get everything, kind of overwhelmed. be kind to animals <3

June 22, 2018, 8:10 pm by

- we have really exhausted the Alegarten theme, the artists were very much struggling with what to draw for a holiday that revolved around just sausage and beer!

June 22, 2018, 8:10 pm by

Because the artists can only do so many sausages and oktoberfest items :P The rebranding works on the lore of Gunter changing but also gives the artists new things they can make that fill gaps of things we don't have on the site.

June 22, 2018, 8:07 pm by

I wish we could have both. I mean, i know the old stuff is there, but what if alegarten could have both new vegan stuff and new regular stuff? Everybody would win.

June 22, 2018, 8:04 pm by

Vegan food isn't all healthy! It's just a different way of making things. I personally tend to go more vegetarian/vegan with dishes because I try to keep kosher, so I can't mix meat and dairy. Vegan options give me a chance to have things I love, like philly cheesesteaks (with tofu instead of meat, so I can have all the cheese).

June 22, 2018, 8:00 pm by

Congrats Gunter on contributing to eutrophication, mass destruction of habitats and "cruelty-free" deaths of all the animals and biodiversity that inhabit and eat your food crops, screwing over indigenous populations by mainstreaming their staple crops, using stupid amounts of water to grow your stupid almond milk, use of fossil fuels for transporting exotic vegan goods, and a complete and utter ignorance of all things agriculture and animals. Truly a hero championing for animal rights yaasss we stan a PETA kweene

June 22, 2018, 8:00 pm by

Why Go Vegan has been read to Elfric! Elfric says, "What a waste of paper..."

He said it, not me LOL I kinda don't like how Alegarten became all health conscience. And I want to see gunther get arrested anyways.

June 22, 2018, 7:59 pm by

i tried to bribe into letting me have the food trucks show up SHE REFUSED (junk food city right)

June 22, 2018, 7:57 pm by

This is really random but all the support for something that not everyone can relate to but will be appreciated by those who do is a real nice idea and makes me wish there was a LGBT/Pride mini event or something w Not trying to make this about me by the way I just love this and I can't help think about the cool stickers and plushies and food that the staff would be able to come up with lol.

Sorry for the self indulgent post in amongst the serious discussion ;w;

June 22, 2018, 7:55 pm by

Healthy foods? BOOO

June 22, 2018, 7:53 pm by

AHHH!! I absolutely LOVE the new items and obviously need them ALL! Just wish there was a "Kale KING" shirt too because I'm the self-proclaimed king of kale, yo... but hey, I'm not complaining. Vegan cheese! Non-dairy milks! KALE sticker! NOOCH (nutritional yeast)! Cruelty free! Friends not Food! I love it all!! I've been vegan for over seven years (and vegetarian for almost twenty) and this just makes my day. I love you Gunter! ^__^ ❤️

June 22, 2018, 7:51 pm by

Vegan fest!! I'm so happy to see all the new vegan stuff, Gunter you are awesome!

June 22, 2018, 7:46 pm by

My girlfriend is a vegan foodie. The pet I have whose TC is stuff that reminds me of her is going to get HUGE.

But only with the food items, because she loathes condescending, obnoxious vegans who lecture others about their choices, cares about the human cost of veganism as well as the animal (very few vegans seem interested in whether their choices exploit underprivileged humans) and believes that caring about animals in ANY way is preferable to saying "Well, you're not vegan, so nothing else you do matters," thus encouraging people to give up ANY type of service they may be doing because it's "not wanted" or "doesn't count." She was also genuinely shocked to realize that people like this exist - she thought it was basically a myth. Then she met literally every vegan friend I've ever had and was horrified. Her words, "No wonder people hate us."

Of course she also has a sense of humor and laughs at the jokes about how a vegan will always tell you they're vegan - because she gets that no one has anything against veganism as a practice, they just have something against people who are obnoxious about it. She doesn't wear "Animal Lives Matter" t-shirts (which are a thing, complete with the BLM logo - because equating black people with animals isn't problematic at all); she wears the t-shirt I got her that says "Hail Seitan."

So, you know, this shop didn't have to be condescending and passive-aggressive; it could've been cute and fun. But y'all do you, I guess.

June 22, 2018, 7:39 pm by

the logo is super cute! i also love the art for the food items.

June 22, 2018, 7:36 pm by

avoiding any and all foods/products that involve animals in order to be "cruelty free"

never donated or even heard of the ASPCA, never bothered to learn about farm animals or how to care for them, never volunteered to animal shelters or worked for ranches

"omg you eat meat?? how cruel! animals are brutalized for your lifestyle!"

I'm honestly surprised by the amount of blind selfishness in some parts of the vegan community. Many vegans say they don't eat meat in order to help animals, but in the end, dairy/egg/meat farmers produce the same amount of milk, eggs, and meat whether people buy them from the shelves or not. Being vegan for the sake of animal welfare can make you feel better about yourself, but you need to understand that you are not doing as much as you think you are in this country. If you want to help animals, you don't need to quit buying animal products cold-turkey. What really helps is buying from farms that treat their animals right. Like, buying cage-free eggs, pasture fed beef and milk, etc. This promotes the GOOD farms, farms owned privately by people who CARE and know how to treat animals respectfully, from when the creature enters the world until it departs from it. Avoid products that say something along the lines of "100% free of antibiotics" - this means that animals like cows who've may have gotten very sick have never been treated with antibiotics in order to recover, so they suffer longer with illness (many dairy cows are given antibiotics by vets at some point of their lives when absolutely necessary). The cow's milk will still be good to drink after she stops taking her medicine. Avoid highly-processed animal products from factory farms, where the animals may never see the light of day or get to even walk around. THESE are the kind of things that help animals. Support your local farms who care. Volunteer for animal shelters and farmers if they are hiring. Learn about animals you may not encounter on a daily basis instead of following what some "vegans" say is right. But hey, if guilt-tripping people is what it takes to gets this country's obesity rate under control, so be it.

June 22, 2018, 7:32 pm by

SO. I have to echo what some people have said here (Like , I also have Celiac disease, so going vegan isn't an option for me) about the militant sort of veganism. I understand the sentiments behind it, really I do. But it feels like I'm being talked down to here.

Also, I honestly don't get why this couldn't have been a new holiday instead of replacing Alegarten? Or an off-shoot of Alegarten? I liked Subetan Oktoberfest the way it was, tbh

June 22, 2018, 7:27 pm by

"Saying goodbye to my old ways was tough, but rewarding"

So no more murdering other human being for your own benefit either, I take it?

June 22, 2018, 7:18 pm by

I LOVE THIS Thank you Gunter 💚

June 22, 2018, 7:10 pm by

Thanks .

, I'm not ostracising anyone! :) I just tried to explain why people react badly when some people bring up their veganism. Obviously not everyone who is vegan is like that, which is WHY I was disappointed with the initial post and some of the items. Just don't freak out when I put some of that nut cheese on the gluten free bread with some roast beef and we're good.

(Also pass the avocado chocolate mousse, because that and guacamole are the only ways I can stand avocado)

June 22, 2018, 7:08 pm by

I was going to say some items felt a little passive aggressive but it seems like people already did it for me. Thanks I guess.

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