5 Years ago, if you would have asked me if this was a good idea, I would have told you it was the worst possible idea, however a few things have changed since then.
1). The economy game of subeta is essentially dead (Largely because of the antique shop). Rare items do not hold any value anymore, because there is a constant assault from the antique shop to devalue items. Why should anyone buy anything that isn't bolted down to a fixed price with the threat of the antique shop looming overhead. I sold Cracked Saheric Mosaic Tile Pieces for about 1.5billion in items ~3 months before it was rereleased for 50mil in the antique shop. I almost felt guilty selling off the remainder of my rare/unique collection after that fiasco. I was going to go and buy a Broken Lucent, for 550mil, then it was rereleased for a fraction of that. 2). God weapons are not passing hands at all anymore. Offers of 15billion+ sP are going unanswered. It's not even that people can't afford them its that they just are not for sale period. 3). Even if I were to go out and offer 20billion on a Mstaff, that would be a potentially disastrous move on my part because there is the threat that it could be rereleased at 3.75bil in the antique shop, so people are not incentivized to go out and make the big offers in big items.
If the goal were to create an interesting game economy, rereleasing 20-30 of each of them would probably be the better way to go, but how to distribute them becomes a nightmare. Releasing them into the AS at 3.75bil each increases their availability, releases them to the people that want them the most, and acts as a decent sP sink.
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Support for this. Make them accessible, but not cheap. Antique shop seems like the most fair way to rerelease them.
Minor points aside: The actual suggestion? I love it.
It'd be a way to actually remove money from the game, instead of us endlessly trading sP around. I'm all for those kinds of things being added, as well as for increasing my own ability to buy more things that I want, for more of the price that I'm willing to pay (especially if that price is removing the money instead).
For an additional idea: Maybe make the items quarterly or something, like the way the Millionaire Center is. Except we remove them when they're 'not in season.' That'd be more of a reason for users (like me) to actually buy them while they're available, instead of waiting the months or year for them to come back. Might also be a reason for people to buy and sell them, since they wouldn't be in there all of the time too. That would still just be trading money, but some would be removed in the process too.
Support. It's much healthier to release those old, rare items into the system somehow (through either the random distribution of 20-30, or through the Antique Shop) in order to get them circulating and being traded/exchanged again. The only things anywhere close to behaving like that are retired/limited-run CWs, because almost anything else can be obtained one way or another.
God weapons are a huge example of coveted items that haven't been redistributed for an extremely long time, and they would give a strong incentive/goal for people while being a great money sink. Sure, it might make some people angry, because they paid a lot for their god weapon/s or worked incredibly hard to get them, but I think it'd make more people pleased/excited. (And besides, they put the Malice and other high-end plot/event prizes in there, so what else is new?)
As someone who used to deal heavily in rare high end items, I don't touch them anymore based on the antique shop. Not only do I not touch them, I recently sold off 5billion in high risk inventory because of the threat of another antique shop massacre.
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I'm not the market consumer for rare high end weapons so I can't really comment on that. I'm not a battler so there is that, but with that said, I support this as well.
That said, I do agree that it's been a while since god weapons were released on site and it's true that existing owners simply aren't selling. Releasing them back into the market would be a pretty good sp sink for the site so I support this as well.
As the person who brought those items, i totally agree its so hard to drop your money on anything now a days with it being highly likely that they re-release it.
As someone who is actively looking to buy a godly i understand their is a good chance this could happen, but if one comes up i have to take the chance as mentioned above they are so rare i can't miss the chance. Even then i'm offering huge sP and would still be unlikely to get one if it popped up as quite a few people are in a similar boat.
I bought one of the last o-staffs that sold (I believe) for 3.5 billion, that might of been a few years ago and due to CSC skyrocketing 15 billion+ is the expected price. However thats outrageous, then again if you put all the old gods in the antique shop for 20 billion each i'd buy all of them, an i wouldn't be the only one.
To summarise i totally support this.
I support this idea because it's obvious that some people want them.
I'm just putting it out there that other users may just not want to pay the asking price of things, not that the Antique Shop is stealing business. I can't be the only user sitting on a hoard of money that does not want to spend what other people claim things are worth.
I can use your "Broken Lucent = 550mil" example. Your goal wouldn't be to just make that back, you'd want to make something on top of it, which would make it 'be worth more,' provided you found someone that wanted to spend that on it. It isn't just the idea that things could be in the Antique Shop at some point, it's that the price and worth of items can't just keep go up forever and trading money around (and not removing it) does not help anyone, expect for users with plenty to begin with. I could easily drop that much on the Broken Lucent, but I do not think that it was worth that as it was just an item that did nothing, even if there were very few left on the site and even fewer that might be sold. And, even now with it being a tier 11 weapon with a base price of 150 impossible token, it doesn't instantly make it worth a lot, as there isn't much to do with those tokens to begin with. Hell, I've seen a couple go through the shops at 100,000,000 sP and I can't help but imagine that they were purchased with the idea that 'these should be worth more.'
I guess my point is that the site's 13 years old and newer users deserve a chance to buy things too without having to play the item market and hope that someone will sell. I'd rather see things in the Antique Shop.
I'm gonna throw in my hat for support (or the Metroid on my head I guess). Re-releasing old godlies would mean not having to create new ones to be available for battlers, allowing more variety for future weapons.
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As much as I want something to spend my sP on, I feel that there are just much better ways to go about re-releasing. In any case, I don't see it being done in any sort of way, Antique Shop and limitless quantity or otherwise.
and I would love to rerelease these because we get so many messages about them. The original god weapons are items that get requested very frequently to both of us as "PLEASE BRING THESE BACK". It's not so much up to us though. We've been trying to convince the Battle Admins to rerelease them in some form! I'm in particular working with on bringing more focus to battling (and hoping that means we can bring back those godlies).
The Antique shop is a common place that gets brought up when wanting to bring them back ( asks every time we hang out to put them in there).
You have my support for this. You not only take sP out of the system but also give the chance for battlers to get weapons they need. No one is selling their god weapons anymore because there is no other options that come close to them and nothing else on Subeta to spend billions upon billions of sP on. We need more options for high tier weapons. If the concern is how many old god weapons get introduced into circulation, then put them in the antique shop for 4 billion or whatever SoSS is (it will take a while for most people to reach the amount they will even need to buy these) and offer other alternatives so people aren't only buying these weapons.
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I support this, while I'm not a frequent battler, there are a couple god weapons I have on my wishlist and would like to own.
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I support this and probably would buy one.
I think in general there are many lost opportunities with sP sinks and battlers. For example: in last gelatin war a lot of cores were released against a very few of Gelatin Concoctions on sale, it would have been nice if a for a limited time those who got the core could buy the GC for a great amount of sP and to make the ME.. (just an example, sorry about the off topic)
I am way down for this. Given enough time to build up the pure I would certainly buy one.
I love this idea.
Where do you buy a Gelatin Concoction? Don't you have to beat some (can't remember which one) gelatins to get that?
I'm currently the owner of the godly which got offer 15b+ sp by a few people. One buyer was willing to go higher if I made the whole thing public. I agree that they should be release but they need to be very careful. There seems to be better options for godlies nowdays, so they are no longer as powerful as before. The 100% icon block nerf really hit them and other weapons tend to have better blessings/curses or abilities. Putting a 3.75b prize tag to unlimited buy them and call it a day it's a terrible idea! You limiting a wepons value and sp will keep to devalue. Make them a limit amount as a event reward. Release 5 or 10 of each but code them so that people can only hold 1 per account or something similar. Make them hard to obtain. Example: 2m humming crystals 500k recycle points Top 10 boss damage Limited time Extremely Impossible Challenger (a mixture between troll and castle) 20b sp limited buyout 1m wizard tokens Randomly given at some type of sP sink event. Random low chance from a CSC box. Anything along those lines.
I do agree with a release but you gpt to be smart.