A while back, Keith put 100 credit gift cards in the Millionaire Canter for a very short period of time. With the cost of CSC going up, I think doing this again might be a good way to stabilize the price. Admittedly without a delay it could be messy, but maybe the delay could be brought back for just this one item? And it not be stocked for very long?

One of the best parts of Subeta was the way that its real-money currency was more accessible, and it would be a shame to lose this aspect. It's also affecting things like the Hustler and the Chance Machines; items that were worth the 250 CSC when they were put in the Hustler's queue are not not worth purchasing, thus not taking CSC out of the system. The Chance Machines are more and more likely to lose you sP on the exchange for the item you get, making them less worth it. Fixing the price even briefly at, like, 5 million sP might at least slow the inflation.

(And I'm not saying this as someone particularly deprived of CSC; I can and do buy it straight from Paypal/Stripe. But things like the exchange rate on the Hustler and the chance machines do affect me, and I'd like to see them be worthwhile again.)

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i hope you don't mind being pinged.. You forgot to mention that doing so would offer a GOOD sP sink ;) [something Keith hopes for, hehe The sP sink would come especially from those who can't buy CSC directly with their credit/debit cards. [such as me, lol]

No, oh my god no. I just... how are people still going on about this?

I don't even know where to start with this suggestion or if I should bother, but YOU SAID IT YOURSELF! Purchasing things with CSC is becoming less profitable for the sake of reselling due to the natural price inflation of CSC along with the continuous amount of sP being added to the system. So... maybe, just maybe rather than using sP to buy CSC to buy items, you take out the middle man out and create sP sinks for those items or a new addition of items? That way you have the potential of people buying CSC for the sake of selling it for sP so they can buy those items, rather than people earning sP for the sake of buying CSC so they can buy those items.

I'm not good with economics, but even I know releasing currency purchased through real life money onto the site for imaginary currency is not only bad for the site financially, but bad for the virtual economy as well. The fact that CSC is the dominating currency is the problem, doing this is a band-aid and won't fix anything unless there is a change in how items are released on to the site. So yeah, while I'm sure you have the best of intentions, this is a temporary fix, as pointed out by you once again in mentioning that Keith has done it before. Rather than continually releasing CSC for sP every once in awhile, I'd prefer a more permanent and stable solution to this supposed problem.

I don't mind being pinged. :) It makes me happy to see someone second the idea, actually.

And while I don't think it'd be something to keep around long-term, even a brief period of time shouldn't hurt the Cash Shop bottom line too much while fixing a few problems.

Yes, it's temporary and I'd prefer to see a longer-term solution. Having sP chance machines for things like SubQ, for instance; the GoFP machine isn't worth the gamble right now. But until then, this isn't going to cause much harm and may buy some time while staff considers the idea (or even hashes out the details, one can hope).

This sounds like a really bad idea??? It just seems like it really could just get way too messy. csc is how subeta makes money. Like money to continue to run subeta. I understand, I can't buy CSC with cash either - I'm a broke college student, that's not happening for me. But really, what users do with their csc is their deal, sell it, use it, whatever, But to encourage CSC for sP transactions, whether they're sinks or not, just doesn't seem like a good business move.

I'd like to maybe see a sink where we have a tinnnny chance of winning some csc - say like, 50csc or something like that, so we do have another way for users to get csc, but yeah.

I'm not hurting for CSC itself, as I noted in the post. Rather, there are features I like that are becoming less usable.

As for money to continue to run Subeta, this is why I specified in all of my posts so far that maybe it could be for a very limited time, not ongoing.

How about we put some CSC cards in either one of the following: -recycle center -blue building -crystal shop?

This way we will need to get rid of both sP and items to quickly gather the respective currency to buy the CSC? Sadly the hoarders will be the only ones benefiting here either by selling their hoards or by turning the hoarded items in for the specific currency. Either way, we will have less items on site...

I personally prefer throwing my hard earned sP into a sinkhole ....

I do understand that, I just mentioned it because I know a lot of users who might agree with you are in the same situation I can where we want CSC but can't get it. :)

No, I know it'd be for a limited time, but still seems messy. How limited would it have to be to regulate csc prices? We have so many users at any given time, all buying csc the moment the time runs out, I feel like unless limited meant REALLY limited, it'd end up accidently flooding the market. Or we'd have a short burst of csc back to a good price and they'd get bought up immediately and we're back where we started. It just doesn't seem like it would actually work in practice.

Blue Building definitely not, way too indirect. Recycle Center and Crystal Shop are only slightly less impractical, and overall I'd agree that as a (VERY temporary, limited) sP sinkhole it might at least slow the inflation until/unless there's more of a fix.

Ah.

And I think it would work for a short period of time, although there really should be a more stable solution. Just, seeing CSC go up by a million in only a month or so, it seems like something that should be addressed. People don't like Gaia, for instance, because its economy excessively weighted towards real cash.

I think that this is a rather good idea and it would help the inflation of csc. Maybe it could be in the MC for 30 minutes/hour? Not sure what a good delay time would be, though. Maybe it could be set up to where users can only buy a certain amount? I agree that it would also be a fairly nice sp sink as well c:

Im playing on a different site [not gaia, not neo] where ALL the cool stuff and perks are available ONLY to those who use A LOT of real cash. That site's currency gives access to VERY few items .. I don't think that's healthy nor fair. I sadly see Subeta going that way ...

anyways. that is all i had to say on this subject.

I absolutely agree that there should be a solution because you're right, subeta's economy is out of whack. I was interested in 's idea of the recycle center having a csc prize, because it takes a long time to reach RC goals (at least in my experience) While I can earn enough sP for 100 csc in a week with quests. The market wouldn't get flooded that way. The MC was great in theory because it doubled as an sP sink, which we always need, but the time limit is not as effective at avoiding a market flood as the RC, I think.

Hmmm.

My only worry with that is how the very selective demand would jack up the price of some things; there's usually at least a few common-ish restockables in his list that would probably be impossible to get per day. That's why I didn't second that particular idea myself.

Oh that's a really good point. I didn't even think of that.

I agree with keeping it limited. I was on another pet site that let everyone exchange the regular currency with the currency you bought with real-world money,and eventually they had to add ANOTHER form of currency that was real-world money only.

Has anyone suggested maybe doing raffles for CSC, where once X amount of raffle tickets are bought for Y amount of sP, there's a drawing to win Z amount of CSC? I could see this actually being a thing, where tickets for smaller amounts of CSC go for less, but larger amounts cost more.

That's not really going to stop the inflation.

From some of the other responses, this looks like a hot-button topic that's been brought up (and left to die) before. So I don't think there's going to be much resolution. If a mod wants to lock it, sure.

Keith has already said doing this exact thing doesn't help. The people who buy it end up hoarding the CSC and then selling it at the high price.

Even if they did put csc in the mc, most likely it'd be close to user shop prices anyways, so its not going to help anything at all.

We've had the 500 cards in token shop before,I don't think that'd be a bad idea to do again.

Something has to help because csc went from 18 mil per 500 to 25 mil per 500...That's a significant jump. People seem to think it should be sold for more now because the option to not use cards for trades exists and it's like ever since that was introduced the mass inflation happened.

I'd like to see something done for sure.