If you take just a moment to glance over these example items and the layers they are sorted into you’ll see that there is a huge problem with the current layer system. Unclear sorting rules!

Today there are over 55,000 wearables (29,000+ Subeta wearables, 26,000+ custom wearables). They are sorted across 24 layers in the wardrobe.

Ankles, Arms, Back, Backdrop, Body, Bottom, Chest, Ears, Face, Feet, Fingers, Foreground, Full Body, Ground, Hands, Hat, Head, Held, Legs, Lower Back, Neck, Over Chest, Shoulders, Waist

Rather than the present 24 layers, I would like to propose these 25 layers:

Adjacent, Ankles, Arms, Back, Background, Body, Bottom, Chest, Ears, Face, Feet, Fingers, Foreground, Full Body, Hair, Hands, Head, Held, Legs, Neck, Over Chest, Over Face, Shoulders, Skin, Waist

My goals in creating this new layer system:

• explicit, easy to follow placement rules for all artists (both official Subeta artists and CW artists)
• easy sorting for all users through accurate, understandable placement of items
• a more even spread of the number of items between each layer (combining layers with low quantities and separating layers with high quantities)

[spoiler=Full Body Layer]+ items that virtually cover the entire HA

• items that cover many major layers (Arms, Chest, Bottom, Legs, Hat)

• items DO NOT cover one or two layers

Example items: compete body suits, costumes, long and sleeved dresses, large costume trunks, etc.

Full Body [item=Pirate

I remember this suggestion. :P

I still fully support the hair/hat layers. It just makes so much sense compared to the current head/hat setup.

Breaking up the face layer into eyes/lips/makeup doesn't seem as important now that extra layers are super cheap and you don't need a GA to pile on extra items. Separating the facial accessories (glasses, piercings, masks) from facial features (makeup, eyes, lips, noses) makes sense though.

God the hat and head layers always bugged the shit outta me. I'm definitely all for more of a definition of what goes where.

Absolutely need more definition in hat/hair, it's always been a big problem I like the idea for proposed face layers but...I think there are too many? I think just something like, one for facial features, such as eyes/nose/lips, and then one for makeup?

Oh yes, the layer sorting could be a lot clearer. Especially regarding hat/head and ground/foreground/background layers. Chest/overchest and chest/body/fullbody are often problematic too. There's a bunch of additional examples in Items in Wrong Layer?.

Like , I'm not sure we need so many face (sub)layers, though. I think 3 (Face | Makeup | Over Face) would be simpler, perhaps with a combined item count like suggested in the OP for the layers marked with *.

Thanks for stopping in again (; I'm surprised you remember my topic after so long! It sounds like there is a general consensus that the breakdown of the Face layer is unnecessary, so I removed the sub-layers (Eyes, Lips and Makeup) and reverted back to just the Face layer (with the new Over Face layer, of course). It think it makes so much sense for there is be Face and Over Face, just like Chest and Over Chest or (if it happens) Hair and Head.

Thank you for your support! I think it was actually the Head and Hat layers that really got me started on this little project, I just can't stand that these items are sorted into two different layers when they are exactly the same item type!

Thanks for your support! It sounds like there is a general consensus that the breakdown of the Face layer is unnecessary, so I removed the sub-layers (Eyes, Lips and Makeup) and reverted back to just the Face layer (with the new Over Face layer, of course).

Thanks for the link! I think it was a topic like that one a couple years ago that made me really think someone should take a stab at creating better wardrobe layers. My own experiences in the wardrobe left me frustrated often enough and then to see the problems in sorting laid out with examples made it obvious that there was something fundamentally wrong with the layers as it. I opted to recombine the Eyes, Lips and Makeup back into their parent Face layer. If they eyes and lips are going in the same place I think it makes sense to put makeup there too (so long as glasses, etc. are separate it won't be too troublesome to sort through).

Hey there! It looks like we have a common interest here (wardrobe layers that make sense and are sorted appropriately...!)

This looks great! Definitely feel free to steal the examples from my thread - I haven't had time to do anything with it since I made it.

Definitely approve, I actually have my wigs, hats and headpieces in their own drawers cause this bugged the shit out of me so badly haha.

Thanks for that! Someone on your thread pointed out that is in the bottom layer!? I included that in my OP with the other examples I have.

I have a few drawers of my own like that (Eyes, Lips, Makeup, Hair and Leggings) but I have such a massive wardrobe that I haven't gotten around to fixing all the other layers into drawers. I might just do that, though, if I have enough free time on my hands.

I have the biggest problem trying to find things in Foreground/ground/background.

And yes, head/hat drive me crazy, too! I use way more headpieces than wigs, and it's so annoying trying to find the right headpiece, and in which layer, and

support. even though this would be a ton of work!

definitely agree! there are so many inconsistencies and it drives me up the wall having to keep checking back and forth between bottom and legs, or legs and ankles, or hat and head, just to find the right item (don't forget the fact that some socks are actually in the FEET layer!). i even have a drawer labeled 'hair' specifically for sorting hair items separately from all the other shit in the head layer, because dammit if i'm trying to decide what wig to wear i don't want to slog through every bow and clip and flower in the world!

If the staff is able to set up a page that allows users to tag or sort the items it would severely cut down on the workload. The staff wouldn't have to sort all the items themselves, they'd just have to set up a means for the users to do it! I'm sure there are plenty of people who love organizing or want to see the wardrobe layers function better (I fall under both categories, haha). Head/Hat is especially frustrating where items like are sorted in different layers. They were created by the same artist but somehow still ended up in different layers!

Thanks for the support! There are so many Head items that aren't hair, so many Bottom items that are really Legs... It makes it extremely difficult to navigate the wardrobe even with the aid of drawers. I use the draws to fix a few issues I have (I have draws for hair, leggings, eyes, lips and makeup) but I can't keep up with every misplaced item in the wardrobe has just with the drawers, you know? There are too many huge groups of items that need to be rearranged.

Basically yespls. The layer distinctions made in the OP make a lot of sense. Gonna quote myself from the other thread here (for ease of reiterating why I think that reorganizing or overhauling layers is a good idea):

Yes, please! The wardrobe is a mess!

Support! I keep my wardrobe pretty aggressively drawer-ed, but being able to cross-reference with consistent layers would be amazing.

Agreed that there are huge layering problems in the wardrobe. Head/hair layer is a huge offender, so is body/fullbody. There are tiny layers that almost never get used, for example, I would combine hands/fingers.

I'll remember an item I want to use, look through backdrop, foreground and ground trying to find it, then discover it in fullbody or something else equally odd. Or sometimes never find it at all, just give up and use something else, or change my theme entirely.

I suspect that some of the most odd layering choices were either costume trunks or subeautique lines that needed to be put into separate layers so everything could be worn at one time.

Although I may not agree totally with your suggestions, its a great solution to the current mess and most of all its consistent, something which is sorely needed!

I supported this the first time around, and I support it now.

Honestly though? I would even ditch the ankle layer and lump it all in with the legs layer. Ankle is one of the barest layers as it is, and the amount of times I wear anything from there is like .0000000000001%. Not to mention the fine line of some of these items that could go in either leg or ankle. Finger into hands for the same reason.

40k items or not, I'd slog through and help identify things into new layers if that's what it took to get this reworked.

Separating wigs from all hair decorations and hats was something I considered making a suggestion topic about the last time I made an avatar. Trying to find a flower or jewelry piece when viewing all items in the head layer is a truly tedious experience (especially when you include CWs and 90% of the CIs barely indicate what the overlay is). I like the rest of the proposals too!

I would totally volunteer to help staff recategorize items if needed.

The current sorting is really messed up. Finger items are in the hand sections, tops can be found in the overchest section and some sections are just not specific enough. I'd personally love seperate sections for makeup and hair, but I really just want the sorting to make sense.

Hey there! Glad for your support (: I tried to make the guidelines as specific as possible. Stuff like: socks that go in the Ankle layer fall below the knee and socks that go in the Leg layer must be from the knee up. Basically, I picked at the areas that struggle the most and tried to get as detailed as possible. There may be outliers or unique items that I've missed, but my hope is that I've covered all the bases. Body/Full Body is one that especially frustrated me, where a lot of items are thrown into one or the other without any distinction. Also, the items in those layers are incredibly different from one another. I mean, why is in the same layer as ? I think seperating items by their type or name (piercings, shirts, shoes) would be too far from the current system to allow for a smooth transition. Perhaps in the future, I could see a tag system that coexists with the layers (so like, you have the Chest layer and items are tagged "tank top" or "long sleeve"). But that is an enormous undertaking that may have too much room for debate/blurred lines. It would get rather out of hand to have a layer for "socks" and a layer for "stockings". That's what I think anyway!

Thank you for your support ❤️

If there are any specific suggestion points that you have to share I'm all ears! I tried to be as throughout as possible, but I'm only one person with one person's ideas. As a side note, the SubQ/costume theory sounds like a pretty plausible reason but ultimately has caused a lot of problems in the wardrobe. Especially now that we have the easy extra Layer purchases I don't want to continue seeing misplaced items just for the sake of disbursing items!

Thanks for your support! Some of the smaller layers (Ankles, Fingers, Hands, Ears) do seem to offer very little to the big picture, but I wasn't so sure about combining a whole bunch of layers just because they are smaller. Especially where there is enough of a difference between leggings and ankle wraps or rings and gloves. Ultimately, if what you've suggested is a change that the users and staff want to see it would definitely be an easy one to pull off. But if we can have the items separated, why not? I almost never have a HA that's wearing gloves and a ring, but I appreciate having them sorted into different layers because it makes finding the perfect ring just a little bit easier.

Thanks for your support! I get really excited when individuals mention that they'd be interested and willing to help with the sorting of all of subeta's wearables.

Yes! Not only is there a fundamental problem with there being a lack of sorting guidelines, but there are also items that have simply been misplaced!