The Hustler has been acting extra shifty lately. Maybe you should investigate...
In a completely unrelated note, an important weapons shipment mysteriously "went missing" this afternoon. We managed to salvage a few Fanciful Boxes that were overlooked in the theft, and will be holding those for future battle event prizes. Unfortunately, everything else appears to be long gone.
I do appreciate the items going into the shop, however; it would have appeased a larger user base if harsher limits where in place.
With the fanciful box hype, a longer one per user each limit of say 3-7 days would have let more people have access to it. I personally will gobble these up as quick as I can and buy the max until I get what i'm missing which really screws over people who haven't been online for those 20 minutes before it sells out. Then reduce these limits to the 24 hour once the sales slow and hype slow down.
As a top battler who hasn't had a single battle event to participate since returning from hiatus the past 2 or so years - it would have been frustrating to miss these because i'm offline for 1 day of those 730+ days. On the flip side, it is refreshing to see all these weapons I havent been able to obtain for the sheer fact people are hoarding multiple waiting for that slam dunk offer.
I haven't read all of the comments here, but just my initial reaction to the news post is a wow, and not in a good way. Awesome job turning off even more people to become battlers.
Also, staff needs to stop with the high-tier wearable weapons. If books are no longer wearables, the same should be true for these high-tier weapons.
Unpopular opinion (I think; I read everything and kind of lost track of all the different viewpoints xD)
TLDR: I don't like boxes, but for the specific goal they did this for I guess it's ok. And the cheaper box is nice to add those to the economy. The old godlies being super rare is fine by me - we have much cheaper weapons available that do the job just fine. Having no programmers to work on battling is sad, but understandable, do we have a tutorial writer possibly though? Or could we help write a spruced up tutorial page even?
I am a battler, and have been since I joined in 2015. I am, however, a (relatively!) poor battler who's still working towards T13, so my armoury consists purely of the 'budget essentials'
I also have a single 'god' scroll (Tasseled Aegis) which I did pay 12.5Kcsc for, back when csc was 100mil=100csc, not sure what they'd be now.these ones
And I'm working my way towards earning these to 'complete' it
Because these ^ are very obtainable in the long run I have never minded being shut off from the old 'godlies', they're a nice thing for those users who have stuck around long enough to have gotten them originally, or earned enough to buy them for crazy inflated prices. For what the staff wanted to do with these weapons (rerelease a few copies of them all (not just the good/new ones) for 9bil, and have them stay at that value) I don't think the boxes are quite as bad as the mountain of salt here makes them look. Do I like loot boxes? No, but I can see where the staff are coming from. I do think though that it would have been a better idea to put that reasoning in the news post, along with a list of what could be in each box, so people know what they're taking a chance for. <3. I like that the cheaper box will be given out later too. Would the 125mil box be a prize for each event with a battle challenger (Mort? Masq?), or just specific ones?
As for my opinion on maintaining the value of the older weapons, I think that is fine, they are NOT needed to beat all the challengers as we have these newer/seasonal weapons ^^ now, that we do have to work for (training to that level takes a lot of time). BUT, I also wouldn't mind them being more available to those who weren't there in the past, for me the lack of availability is the issue, not the price - since people will pay 15+bil for them (or whatever price you think is ok), why not have them in the Antique Shop/MC for that price? They'd still be a status symbol (why else would people pay 15bil for Shinwas Sacred Bow, when we can get ME for a fraction of that, or from the Jelly War), but they would still be something that could be worked towards for those that wanted them. I wouldn't mind my TA scroll (the only 'godly' thing I'm qualified to give an opinion on) being available to everyone willing to pay for it; it's a nice thing to have, and I'd love it if everyone could have nice things.
As for the state of Battling itself; programming takes time, and people who can invest that time, and Subeta simply doesn't have them right now. Perhaps though the old Battle Guide pages could be given an update to be more concise? More pictures rather than intimidating walls of text? I'm sure the community would even love to help out with that (I know I would), as all the battle guys and gals I've talked to over the years have always been helpful to me, and I learn super slow.
I thought it was a joke, but apparently not. Do the people coming up with these things even play this game? First of all the economy has been messed up for years. R99 selling for 40-70k, everything is available. Making Sp is very hard these days. Restocking isn't exciting anymore cause of low prices, reselling is a nightmare cause almost every item is available for CSC at a point in time... The only thing you could do to make enough Sp for these items is spending real money (buy CSC) and trading that for Sp. Not fun and certainly not possible for everyone. Well, I'm off to restock some 40k R99 items. I only need 225000 of those for the box.
I thought this was a new event or a good story like the "Gunther is in the jail" one.....Now I'm sad.
You open the Fanciful Box and find:
I risked 125 million and got a Tainted Keeper Skull Staff.
Oops, I did it again
Keep a meme alive long enough, and it becomes reality. A spork god weapon.
It's not that we have no interest in revamping the battle system. We'd love to revamp the battle system! It's that we literally can't. Subeta has 1.5 programmers right now and they're busy recoding the entire site. Purge and I often read battle-related suggestions and talk about how cool they are and how much we'd like to do them, but if programming is involved, we literally can't. We are doing what we can with the system we have, and we're very happy to take suggestions that work within that.
Here's my humble opinion: What if instead of going around revamping objects that do not need to be revamp and releasing (and re-realising) weapons that not even the 5% of the users can afford to buy, use those resources to fix some other things, such as giving a better use to the garden, adding more seedlings, fixing the minion zoo or making It is more accessible to level up in the bakery so we dont have to be making the same recipe thousands of times, etc., you know, things that we can all enjoy not just a certain part of the community.
I like battlng, but sometimes it is confusing, also leveling up is quite difficult, especially for someone who is busy, but who still wants to use the battle once in a while in their free time, make things more accessible, not easier, just accessible.
My account is 6 years old, but I left for 3 years (mostly because of the language barrier) and came back to stay, but things like this make it hard to want to stay. of course, this is just my opinion.
PS: sorry if there are mistakes, english is not my native language.
9 billion???? yeah right. I don't care what it is lol
I love trying to make suggestions and explaining in detail exactly why this is situation is demoralizing and what my issues are in relation to battling as a whole only for staff to take it personally and vague comment at me 🙃
I'm starting to think high tier weapons should not be made wearable and/or edible at all. :( Keep them battle only, and then have a separate wearable/edible version. There are already some replica/fake weapons out there but a lot of them are merely toys or pet treasure. If the items had two versions with different uses then I don't think there would be as many issues?? Art updates can even be the same for both items, one would just have a wearable and be edible (if previously edible) and the other solely use for battling. Also for anyone that currently owns these weapons or has earned them during release but hasn't used/sold them (fed weapons would change to replica/fake versions), can just receive a single wearable/edible version and buy more of that type if they choose. In the future when ever a high tier weapon is released for the first time, those that earn it the original way receive both the weapon and the fake version while the fake will be available in the csc shop/millionaire center or other means for those that merely want the fake but don't/can't battle. I hope this makes sense? I tried to make this fair for both sides but I also don't want to disregard anyone's efforts or feelings, so I hope this comes off as neutral as possible. I honestly don't know if anyone will read this - if you do then thank you - but whether you agree or disagree I respect that. Also I'm talking about about event/battle weapons in general, not the re-release, since I'm not a battler.
Just... what? I live on GMT+1h and just got online to this. And:
Fanciful Box
125,000,000 sP TEMPORARILY OUT OF STOCK
Godly Fanciful Box
9,000,000,000 sP
6 in stock
I've got a bit more than 480 million(!) sP to my name currently as I'm saving up for a and this is already way more than I ever owned before. Maybe I get the meaning behind this but yes it was executed poorly.... sorry x.x
9 billion? What! There are a lot of rich people here XD I am feeling really poor right now lol
This honestly sounds like you're only focusing on one part of the feedback about battling and not everything else that's going with it. The price... it's an oof, but a doable one if someone really hungered for it. But why throw away 9bil on an item that you may not even want because it's a chance grab? That's my biggest issue with this sP blackhole.
My other feedback, and the majority of feedback I've read in the comments, is that people are pissed that it's for a system that does not work and that no one seems to have any interest in fixing or improving. You can hand wave the fact that godly weapons are a status symbol all you want, but if no one's interested in fixing the section of the site that it's used in - what's the point? A status symbol for a broken feature is still just waving around something for a broken feature. To quote King George from Hamilton: "Awesome. Wow."
9 billion is a lot for a gatcha gamble. I'd understand it if you could pick the weapon since some of them do go for almost $1,000 in csc. But not for a blind chance.
Also for those of us on the other side of the hemisphere that just woke up to this... restock on the poor man's option?
It would be too much time and money for me to seriously get into battling. Which is a shame, cause I'd love to be able to feel more like part of the community rather than just speculate on future challengers and the lore related to them. It would be good if there was a clearer guide to weapon types, and maybe a few low level "tutorial" enemies that teach you about which elements and stuff work best against them with commentary on it to point things out to you so it's easier to understand, rather than users having to figure it out for themselves (which will be done for the harder challengers anyway) and then write guides on it that are hard to find and that some people might have trouble understanding as just written text. Also, people say that you have to do a lot of grinding to level up your pets, but that gets discouraged when you start only getting 10 EXP after 10 or 15 wins (don't remember which) which makes it tedious so you'll just find another fairly easy opponent until the same thing happens. Does the same thing happen for higher level opponents as well? Because that would make beating them loads of times to get special items even more tedious. I don't know if this is different for Battle Quests, I keep meaning to try them but I keep putting it off.
Anyway, while re-releasing battle items this way seems like a good idea, it looks as if it wasn't executed well. And what about the non-weapon challenger loot items that also don't go out through the Free Shop? I agree that it would have been easier to just bring back the challengers they came from, as well as bringing back their older loot that's become more limited, and then releasing non-weapon versions of the wearables that would be much easier to obtain (even if they were in the millionaire centre or cash shop or something) for a lower price than these boxes.
I like what says here. I love Subeta. But I hope staff are able to revisit the comments without taking it personally, to try to understand where everyone is coming from.
I'm still confused as to how rereleasing previously-near-unobtainable weapons (for the lowest price they've ever been, adjusting to current SP value) is gatekeeping, especially considering they're not necessary for progression.
This news post felt like a plot introduction to me. I was so excited at the prospect of a real site event! Actually, when I first saw those prices I thought it was all part of the story -- who could afford those prices, I laughed. The Hustler is ludicrous! But 'not a plot' was added to the comments because this news post was so mysterious. (We shouldn't have to trawl through a comment section to understand an item release!)
There is such a sense of community driven by plots and events that encompass the many different aspects of gameplay on Subeta. There are all these different groups here - from pet lovers to CW collectors, wardrobe vixens to battle lords, forum chit-chatters to achievement chasers! I love that there is something for everyone. These days, sadly, it can feel like that sense of community is withering away. When was the last time we had a plot? Monthly pay-to-play battle challengers are not much of a motivator for the userbase.
A great step in the right direction was changing pet names to non-unique. It was a tough pill to swallow for many, but it's a move that makes this game accessible for all, particularly new, players. Subeta is a big site today and I can't imagine how exciting (if overwhelming!) it would be to play Subeta again for the first time.
I feel that many of the frustrations here aren't really about the weapons or the chance boxes, but about the inaccessibility of battling and the flaws in an old and elitist system. Battling needs a facelift! It's clear that there are users who want to take part in the battle coliseum that just don't see it as an option.
That said, I appreciate that this news post has opened up a pretty big conversation and shed light on an area of the site that could be developed to encourage site activity and inject life into Subeta again. Finding new ways to encourage activity beyond users checking in for dailies would be great! Those suggestions about taking into account pet tiers when battling during events are a great place to start - maybe there could be rankings based on tiers? It would be good to see prizes offered across different tiers as incentives to join the battling community.
Like others, I've been here for many years and I'm totally loyal to the site! I do feel that, for the most part, user/staff interaction is positive. It feels like we have a resilient bunch of users and staff committed to keeping Subeta going. I hope we can see some updates to the battle system that gets the whole userbase involved, new and old.
laughs hysterically oh my god no. Even if i had nine billion, no.
LOL it’s 9 billion?? My lizard brain just blacked out the additional zeros (wheeze)
Not a fan of this method - I’m not a battler, I just want the pretty wearables but no way in hell will I pay for an expensive as hell loot box for it.
I agree with everything you've said and then want to add a plea that they don't try to update the battling system or I won't have access to that either.
I’m literally unable to buy these bc the site won’t allow it D: I have enough so and everything
Seriously though, this is just... exhausting.
I've been on Subeta for over 12 years. That's almost half of my life. Its more than half if we're just counting the years where I was more of a tiny person and less of a useless potato! That's a completely insane amount of time to be on a website. I haven't always been active, but for years this was pretty much my only escape. Pet sites were all I had. Due to RL stuff I haven't been to spend as much over that time as some, but I've tried to support Subeta when I can. I love it. I don't want the site to die.
But with decisions like this, where users have been begging for a reasonable release for years, and staff's responses just feeling like they're brushing us off and don't care... why should we even care? If staff has this little investment in keeping the majority around or engaged in new content because they'd rather cater to the 1% of the battle community, what's the point? Why should any of us even bother anymore?
And that in itself is upsetting! Because we wouldn't be here if we didn't love Subeta, not after all this time and not after all the problems the site has had! People wouldn't be upset if they didn't care!
I like battling. I enjoy it on other sites. And I enjoy it here, even though I barely understand it and have to follow step-by-step guides. I've shelled out at least 100m on weapons I don't even understand. I've bought CS opponents I know I'll never beat just because they're beautiful and I want to see them. I know my "investment" is clearly not what staff expect us to spend to battle, but for me that's a huge amount. And I do it because I genuinely like battling! Its a mindless click grind, yeah. It desperately needs an overhaul, yeah. But in a simple way, its fun. Its relaxing. I can't do it a lot due to my carpal tunnel but I like doing it when I can.
I wish that staff would just encourage us to battle. That they actually wanted people to get into it and stay with it. My main battle pet is only T6 (my secondary is T5). He's been T6 since 2017, when I first really got interested and dove into battling/training as seriously as I could. It didn't take long for me to start giving up. The whole system makes no sense. Weapons and scrolls are so hard to acquire, and the ones to buy don't even necessarily make sense either. Its all so confusing. Its very difficult to remember what to use when and there's no easy way to make sense of it. I have always felt like I'm just too far behind to ever be able to catch up. That I missed the window so now battling is inaccessible to me.
Time and time again, staff just stick to the status quo. They gatekeep their own players from being able to participate in battling. Its demoralizing. If staff clearly don't want to make it easier and more welcoming for new players in general or older players just starting to battle, why should we even try? We know the cards are stacked against us. Its clear as day.
Speaking of - just in case anybody has the cash laying around: One of each per day or just one in total?
I think this is the first time that this stuff not loading for me actually feels unfair. I would have loved to buy this. I don't want to sound negative but you guys aren't planning on helping with these loading issues. So I just don't have access to the forums, wardrobe, cash shop anymore? Now I don't have access to this new feature/item? What am I supposed to do?
Excuse me for the ramble, but I want to get things off my chest, but in under a month, I will have been on Subeta for 15 years. Consider this my "old man shouts at the sky" moment. I remember a time BEFORE the wardrobe, when you unlocked layouts and pictures for the forums instead of the titles, and when monthly collection items were chance based.
We stopped doing Collections as chance boxes because it was frustrating as hell to spend so much money to get items you didn't want. I have more bills now than I did when I was 20, but I still appreciated when we started being able to select the items that we wanted instead of having to try and offload whatever garbage we wound up getting on other people through the Trading Center.
I still found other ways to make sP, though. I'm very GOOD at making sP. It takes me a day, maybe two to hit 24mil. I feel like I've pretty much got the method down pat. For a while, despite bank interest being taken away and all the incentives to save up ginormous piles of sP being nixed, I still saved up in hopes of getting the Richest User achievement... until I realized that it was broken and it was never going to anyone who hadn't gotten it before.
Another of those broken features - for a very long time - has been battling. As others have said, it's clunky and hard to get into. I tried many times over the years to do so. I dumped a lot of effort into Mikasi because I thought that the battle events were fun and I wanted to be able to participate meaningfully in them. I wanted more than the satisfaction of just beating the 'required' battle for plots (which thankfully was made more accessible for battle newbs like myself). But over time, I realized I had missed the boat. I should have gotten into battling at the start of my tenure here on Subeta, but I didn't. Now it feels impossible.
I still battle on occasion, but I definitely know that I have to stay in my lane. I train my pets as much as I'm able to remember to do so, because there is a pay off to it... but in the Job Agency, not the Colliseum. My sP goes into fleshing out my collections, not buying new weapons. It's disappointing, but I'm an adult with a full time job. I don't have the time to grind endlessly in a pursuit that is not going to happen... for a feature that is broken and is admittedly not on anyone's radar to actually fix.
It's disappointing AF. I get that there's been a lot of work put into balancing sP inflation by providing sP sinks - and that's really just what these loot boxes are - but to have to sink it for a feature that no one's interested in improving? Really? I'm going to have to call BS on that. Just like I'll call BS on revamping things that don't need revamping, or the ugly blockiness of the new site layout. My hiatuses are getting longer and longer, because there's no payoff here. I don't refer people here because it's a time sink that is quickly losing its over all worth to me. I only have so many hours, give me something WORTH coming here to spend them.
Baiting us with an sP sink for a broken feature doesn't cut it.
I'm sorry people are taking it out on y'all. I do not envy you after being in customer service for over a decade. We're frustrated because we feel like y'all don't care and I'm sure you're frustrated, too. Listening to us, even if you have to pry salt boulders out of our comments, would be a good start.
Ahhh, o.k., thank you!
Only 25 have gone out! There are 100 more to go. They'll release in batches throughout the day to cover all the time zones.
P.S. I have been waiting for 10 years, I guess, for the Godlies to come back to the Crystal Shop as promised at their last restock!!!
i can access the hustler, page loads blank......
if I have anything to complain about it's actually how this new post was made. It got a lot of people excited due to it's mysteriousness only to find out it was something only a minority of users could partake in. A little more clarity in the news post about what the boxes are and what people would be getting out of them would've been nice, and that still could've been done keeping it in-character and funny to match the subetan lore theme it has!
other than that I agree with pls don't make any more super hard to get wearables pls, we subetan users have a problem and that problem is we like to hoard wearables.
and I don't think battling needs a complete rewrite? maybe just a tiny facelift? anyways, I think it's very fun already! it's just -really- hard to train and very frustrating to keep up with. battle quests and xp system was a godsend but still very mechanical
Thank you! Thanks for the reply. Still we should have a list, of what we could possible get!
So, did the log out/in hustle - SOLD OUT? Or not affordable. Very funny. Since you said "more will be given out in the future as event prizes, including in this winter's Gelatin War", I guess you're not restocking? And I am here fairly early today?!?! What the...
cool boxes can we get some affordable ones for tcs?
do not worry those hustler boxes are limited 99% of users will not get their hand on whatever it is they're selling rn as for getting rid of it, i never joined the battling market cause it's very stupid prices for somebody who prioritizes wearables, but i think it's already hard to get rid of crazy expensive weapons normally so maybe the possible decrease in price will actually help you with that?? but yeah, these will also get released as battle prizes in the future, so, it's not exclusive to right here right now!
or anyone else having login issues: here is what the page looks like
The 125m box has non-godly but seemingly still rare weapons in it (the ones folks have posted have all been T10 and I think event releases but I'm not much of a battler so don't quote me) and the 9 bil box has a random godly in itspoiler for image size
You're talking about the Fanciful Box, which is 125 mil and limited to 125 total sold (more will be given out in the future as event prizes, including in this winter's Gelatin War). We'll also monitor the prices of everything in it -- right now they're all worth more than the box price -- and we'll definitely let the players know if we plan to tweak the contents in the future to keep it worth opening.
that's actually a very good point. I'm not a very good battler and I just keep training my pets on and off cause it's a pain to get stats up (even though it has indeed been getting easier with the years, and for that i'm thankful) but I want ALL the nice weapons. Why? cause they have cool overlays. And I want them. In my wardrobe. So I can wear them lol so yeah, i think there are ppl who are upset cause they were excited for the possible new wearable that they are now never going to get ajbdjahd I'm not exactly mad at this release, I just won't get them and there are still 2135123 other weapons that I want but also probably never will get that are in the millionarie center, for example. So, I do not care much. But I've always struggled with battling, I always wanted to get into it but it's honestly too much work. It's not cause it's not fun, it's just too much resource and time consuming. So, reading these comments I can see that there really is some kind of problem going on with the battle system, and it's not just me and that makes me kinda relieved, lol
No, don't worry, this is a special case!
There are still quite a few battlers on site who seem to enjoy it enough to keep going, so we keep doing what we can with what we've got! It's as simple as that, I guess.
I'm just sent to the ever spinning wiheel of doom. Still nobody has found it necessary to explain to us, which password we need or how to log in (for good) at new.subeta. What happened to the regular Hustler?
Sooo... I understand, you expect us to spend milliards (I don't trust the billion talk here) on a chance machine, which we have absolutely NO idea, what it COULD spit out? I don't really want a Briefcase and I have several Gauntlets, they were loot. I want to invest in what I want, not lose all my money and then be stuck with something most probably worthless, something I can't get rid of, because everybody has it now, anyway?! I have yet to finish reading - o.k., no time now, and find the Hustler, but so far this sounds like a very dumb way to (finally?) release "old" weapons"?
Wardrobe only "fake" line of weapons. though i guess they don't have to be wardrobe-only so that's fun :)))) maybe we should ask for wearable knock off fanciful boxes too :)))))
I was hoping you fixed it in my post too.
Can I assume that you'll pass the message along to the appropriate people?
Sweet Jesus. 9 BILLION?! That's crazy. Seriously!
I have feelings about this that most people have already said, so I'll say this since I haven't seen it said here unless I missed it somehow: are these boxes a predictor of future releases? I mean, are we always going to be expected to spend hundreds of millions to billions of sP for special items/rare weapons onsite? Will we be ENCOURAGED to buy CSC to sell in order to get that much sP? I realize that yes, there are some people that have been onsite long enough to have 9bil but the vast majority of us have not. Also, the vast majority of us don't have the time, energy, or money to be on here constantly to buy low and sell high in order to make 9bil sP or spend real money on CSC to sell in order to get to such a high level of on site currency.
I just hope that this isn't a predictor or indicator of the future of Subeta, that the more CSC we buy to get higher amounts of sP, the better. Isn't this place supposed to be a place where everyone, both uber rich in real life and onsite and vice versa can get together and have fun? I am concerned that much more pay for play is gonna become a real thing on here, that's all.
That is understandable…but if everyone knows that battling isn’t going to get more accessible, then why would so much time be spent on something like this that still only benefits a few people?
Don't worry, I fixed your typo :P
Wearables are not our department, but Cranberry and I have no issues with non-weapon versions being released. As long as the item art is different enough that users won't get scammed.
Aww, did my comment get glossed over?
The issue isn't so much brainstorming as it is programming an entire new battle system. That would take a very high amount of resources that we simply don't have. (Although designing an entire new, more accessible battle system is harder than people seem to think, too! There's a reason game design is a real, full-time job.)
The 150M box is fine.
I'm not sure what I can add concerning the debate for the 9B. Anything worth saying was already said.