Well this sucks
Okay so this makes sense so far so I'm gonna hold out judgment to see what alternative methods y'all come up with. I'm curious to see how this will play out.
Well, I haven't been in the CW game long. Not sure what I'll do. The few items I've released if I see them in the pawn shop I haven't been too bent over this. Sometimes you can't work with an item and instead of trying to sell it, it was easier just to pawn it. And I know I bought my share of CWs over the years. I'm going to wait to see how this plays out.
Oh well...this is sad, seems like something that only benefits a small group
thank you for explaining your thought process i couldn't quite imagine how you mathed that lol while i can see your reasoning for your suggestion, it still runs a high risk of ruining someone's ability to make a profit from their work. sure one or two copies sold back to the shop might not hurt it over all but for every one sold back to the shop you'd have to sell TWO to make any profit again. if a 700 wig is sold back to a shop, when someone buys it again at that price it would be zero profit if the site itself is selling back the slot pricing with no cost to the shop owner so even if it's one CW getting sold back at a time it kind of becomes a black hole of zero profit for the releaser who put their time, effort and money up to even get it on site in the first place
Yes! Your comment i so agree with. <3
Well, if there will be something new implemented, I am willing to give it a chance. I'm sad to see the pawnshop CW's go, but I can understand how they may bring down the value of some items.
yep, there's the "devaluation" excuse i was expecting... honestly, if people aren't willing to buy a particular item for 700 csc or whatever, why take away their option of finding it at a slight discount? just a few months ago you guys said you would start clearing items that had been in the pawn shop too long, and now you're saying you want to shut the whole thing down, except for "special events"? this seems like a pretty dumb idea that will only benefit big-time CW releasers - who i know are your biggest bacon-bringers, but seriously? you can see everyone is universally bummed out by this decision.
devalued CWs don't really strike me as that much of an issue. the really desirable ones will go for what they're worth; no one in their right mind would sell a popular CW to the pawn shop when they know they can get full price for it from another user. anything sold to the pawn shop is something a person can't unload quickly enough, which means whatever "value" it has is subjective. let stuff gain and lose value! it's okay! and honestly it might mean more cash for the site in the grand scheme of things, considering plenty of people buy csc because they find something cool in the pawn shop that they're more enthusiastic to get because it's a bargain.
I really appreciate all the ways that subeta gives us free csc, and now in bathhouse too! :)
The fact that we will still be allowed to pawn cw's we aren't able to sell to other users is much appreciated ^^ I am very happy that subeta is working on some changes to the cw system. Most of the changes on here are for the good of the users. I applaud the improvements. And I am confident this will be a good thing going forward ❤️
Rather disappointing, to say the least.
what are the "demographics" of subeta i wanna know what i am
ill miss the pawn shop but am not too sad to see it leaving. excited for the changes coming!!
Hm. I guess I wouldn't be overly upset about this if there were better ways to "get involved" in CWs? Like, it's really time-consuming and boring to trawl through all the boards looking for something to slot on, and the CW Shop page in the Cash Shop doesn't offer a good way to find releases you might want -- you can't filter by layer or by colour or get "if you like this shop, you might like ____" recommendations.
I don't know. I like CWs and all, but since it's not "official" it's not organized very well and can get a little confusing.
I have read the reasoning.. this is to help those that make CW's because they lose coin with the pawn shop. Can't the items simply be raised so they don't or Subeta not charge so much to make them encouraging creativity?
I didn't buy too many at the pawn shop but GREATLY enjoyed looking at the variety of things made in one spot. I predict what will happen is most won't even see what is made now since they won't be in a central location and most usually don't buy (or rarely won't even go to the forum to search around) out of curiosity like the pawn shop encouraged.
Hence, I hope there is another amenable solution to help those that make CW's and those that like to look and dream :)
PS The only reason I have bought a couple of things was saw at the pawn shop or searching (rarely) through the wardrobe.
You sell CW you don't want to Cash Shop. Site gives you CSC (as the Pawn Shop does now). Item gets put into releasers shop inventory (let's say they had 9 of that particular CW. they now have 10 to sell. Value of CW is not diminished. When the CW sells , the Cash Shop deducts the cost of whatever it put out for the item from the releaser's fee. Though the releaser is getting LESS for the item, they technically got the CW back 'for free'.
Not cool, the pawn shop is a way to sell fast. How many CW can there possibly be? How many dresses can there be before they all start to look the same. The cw makers are just making money and the rest of us just keep loosing more and more. This is a game and it's all about spending more and more real money. I have spent a lot which I don't mind but give us a break. Oh well.
Looking thru the r200 forum to find CW's that people are selling can be a costly and a long dragged out process. I know when I was selling my items...most I sold for slot price even though I knew they were going for much more then that. People were shocked and surprised to get such good deals from me! My CW's were flying out left and right...sad really how some try to inflate prices till no one wants to buy or are even afraid to offer on CW's there... because they know the prices are too rich for them to pay. I use the pawn shop a lot to buy CW's and I have put many in there also. I will be sorry to see it go.
Welp, seeing as the knife's at my throat I'll just say this: If you're going to shut it down, shut it down entirely. Don't allow people to essentially delete items for a pittance of csc. Take it all away or none of it away. That's the actual fair thing to do.
This isn't the end of the world, subeta is not a real tangible thing but a game. If you can't afford CSC through real life currency, you buy it with sP. Yes it's gone up in price since CWs became a thing, but it's still completely something anyone can obtain. You are treating this as if so is a real thing you need to take care of real people, or real things. Please for your well being, take a step back and breathe.
Oops, ignore the last sentence of my comment then ^X^; Sorry, didn't see this before I posted. Yay for better tools!
I choose to give this a chance. I admit i was bitter when user shops changed, but after awhile i had to work with it. It's not so bad and i bet this won't be that bad either.
please review keith's posts again with glasses on because you're angry and making baseless assumptions about items getting deleted. calm down.
i'm not sure where you think the 700 CSC you're getting back from the original shop comes from? because it would have to come from the releaser. subeta doesn't pay releasers to put CWs on the site. releasers pay to get them on site whether it's by slotting or forking over the CSC by themselves
Okay... But clearly there are plenty of people who do like to sell things to the Pawn Shop. There's tons of CWs out there that have a very, very low demand. So it's nice to have the option to sell to the Pawn Shop because a lesser amount of CSC is sometimes better than waiting (quite literally) months to be able to sell it at a higher price. Yeah, the option to sell CWs to the Pawn Shop is still gonna be available. But now nobody gets any chance to buy any of those items -- which means those CWs have no chance to get back into circulation.
I feel like all this move is going to do is raise the sP price of CSC even higher and stifle the overall CW market.
Welp, this is one change that I absolutely do not agree with. I guess I won't be owning buying any CWs now, since the only ones I could really afford were in the Pawn Shop. And this is coming from a person that has spent hundreds on this site. I'm sorry, but this is a crazy change. What gives? Why not just increase a bit the lowest limit a CW can be bought at in the Pawn Shop?
CW reselling prices will definitely go up if the purchasing section closes ;_____;
Can I just put my two cents in - this change is definitely good for artists and CW makers, but may make it difficult for buyers to buy CWs that are NOT in the few thousand csc range. Plus csc is a lot expensive than in the past - gosh I still remember 100 csc being 3m each. Nowadays, a number of slots are also 700 csc each.
Perhaps why people are not willing to slot on items is because they are worried that when they want to change their wardrobe it will be difficult to resell them even at slot price?
May I suggest something - please reconsider and let people at least SEE what's in the pawn shop so they can know what items are on site AND ALSO MAKE PEOPLE WHO PAWN ITEMS GET SLOT PRICE BACK. That will help make csc more affordable to the General subeta population by increasing csc supply and people won't be too scared that they can't recover what they paid for their original slots that they won't slot on items.
This way artists won't have to be too worried about slots not filling and cannot recover their costs. Csc will be more affordable and the csc can run through the economy.
Now there's the only two problems of item batches and the reselling price. LOL.
I don't feel strongly either way. I've used the pawn shop, gotten a few nice items that way, but I won't even notice it missing.
the pawn shop was ruining the cw economy. i think it's harder to understand unless you're actively releasing and buying cws. it ultimately boils down to fewer and fewer cws being put on site. it’s hard to fill a batch and thus get a cw on site if people know they can casually pick up a copy later in the pawn shop, or they know they won’t be able to resell it if they lose interest in it. people don’t slot, so people don’t release, so people don’t commission. i’m glad to see this change
well I'm sorry for you but first of all those items costed people money to get onsite, so it's sorta of unreasonable for you to expect for a discount just cause you can't afford the, Plus, if an item doesn't sell I'be way more happy to sell it to someone else for 400/500 CSC instead of pawning it for 300 CSC so prizes will still be reasonbale. And please try to remember people paid full CSC price for those items.
The items would go directly to the releasers shop inventory. This way 'old' CWs can get recycled and releasers can still make $ on their CWs.
Ahh I see, well that would at least make sense. Thanks for filling me in. =)
Aww, I'm sorry to hear this :( Just yesterday I found a balloon item from my wishlist in there! I wish there was a better way to advertise buying and selling of "used" CWs in this case.
Wow calm the fuck down okay. First of all I just wanna point out that you can earn 150 CSC for free from the bathhouse every month. It's not much but it's something (and it's not nearly as shady as the "offer walls" that were tried), and hey, while you're checking in to visit the bathhouse you can do a couple of quests and earn some sP to put towards your CSC total.
Second, other users are losing out because of the pawn shop. We have to fund the CWs to get them onsite in the first place and unless you're able to draw the items yourself you're gonna be lucky to even break even on the item. And then you get stuck selling it to the Pawn Shop for half of what you paid because no one wants to buy it later. Until you threaten to close the Pawn Shop, then suddenly everyone and their brother wants the item for the same price you would have charged on the forums.
Side note: the post straight up says "unless we open it for a special event" so it's not like these items are never gonna see the light of day again, just rarely. And the majority of them, if people didn't want them before, and don't want them now that the shop will be closing, they probably won't want them then either.
Wow calm the fuck down okay. First of all I just wanna point out that you can earn 150 CSC for free from the bathhouse every month. It's not much but it's something (and it's not nearly as shady as the "offer walls" that were tried), and hey, while you're checking in to visit the bathhouse you can do a couple of quests and earn some sP to put towards your CSC total.
Second, other users are losing out because of the pawn shop. We have to fund the CWs to get them onsite in the first place and unless you're able to draw the items yourself you're gonna be lucky to even break even on the item. And then you get stuck selling it to the Pawn Shop for half of what you paid because no one wants to buy it later. Until you threaten to close the Pawn Shop, then suddenly everyone and their brother wants the item for the same price you would have charged on the forums.
Side note: the post straight up says "unless we open it for a special event" so it's not like these items are never gonna see the light of day again, just rarely. And the majority of them, if people didn't want them before, and don't want them now that the shop will be closing, they probably won't want them then either.
I'm a little upset with this. I tend to browse it to find some CWs I never knew existed because I don't visit the CW threads enough.
How often will the CW pawn shop be open now? Is it once a year or more frequent?
Wait, so... Items other people made are now going to be controlled by staff and only released on special events? I don't agree with this.
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either way whatever happens, At least I have one month to buy the stuff i want now. Thanks for close to a month warning, though some of us are protesting..You could have just shut it down today but you choose to keep us in the loop/and give us a time to buy the stuff now
but not at reasonable prices. As I've said from the very beginning, the MAX a cw should cost is 3-4 dollars. Not the 5-8 that's usually the standard and this solution isn't helping those of us who can't buy our CSC. They've just made things worse for us and what's especially shady is that we'll still be able to SELL to the pawnshop--aka, DELETING THE ITEMS--but we can't ever buy from it again. That's artificial inflation at it's scummiest and it's easy for rich users or shop owners to be all for this but it leaves an entire demographic of people out in the dust. In fact, multiple demographics are left out here.
i couldn't afford them even in the pawn shop :(
CWs are already to expensive in my opinion. This just cements the fact that they are beyond me. sigh
tbh this would place an unnecessary (and probably unwanted) burden on releasers and would never allow them to truly make any sort of profit on their work
you know can purchase CSC from other users using sP still, right?
Now if only people would start browsing the r200 thread more often so they're not relying on the pawn shop to buy things second hand. Sure would help negate the need for the Pawn Shop at all, people.
whoa there for awhile. for that item to get into the pawn shop, someone had to ALREADY pay 7 bucks for the item. then, being unable to sell it off to someone else who wanted it, had to put it back into the pawn for 3 bucks, and then you come around and buy it for 4. essentially, SOMEONE ELSE paid half the price of an item that ONLY ONE PERSON CAN OWN. how is that fair?
I am so glad this is happening. I see a lot of people here that are upset and I understand being upset about this easy way to get CWs being removed. The CW market is dying though, and I know that may be hard to see if you don't draw or submit CWs yourself. Something needs to be done, or even less people are going to be around to produce these items. Most of the people who I used to see regularly in the CW community are long gone and it's depressing. If you still want to purchase CWs, please check out the forum boards and support your fellow artists and commissioners. Waiting till people have the item on site /hurts/ us, not helps us.
I'd recommend reading the community guidelines before making another comment.
Cash Shop Wearables are just that, they're cash shop wearables. They've always cost cash shop credits, which is a currency purchased with real life money. We've added the ability to get CSC from the pools, we've given out CSC pretty freely lately when the site is acting up as a "thank you for still being here" and we're looking at ways to overall lower the burden and cost of CWs for users.
However, the pawn shop was a disaster for people creating CWs and it was full of items typically for 6+ months until we'd clear it. The number of daily purchases were not that notable, and most purchases happen when we announce that there is a sale.
We will be providing better tools to find CWs (including within the new wardrobe) and purchasing them, as well as hopefully creating a way for creators to get them out to users for less cost to everyone.
This is a process and announcing the pawn shop closure is step one.
I saw some of the discussion on the admin posts page, so I've been curious about this. :o
I don't really do CWs so this doesn't really affect me, but this is still a bombshell. It'll be interesting to see how it will influence CSC prices.
Okay I can see the point of devaluing on cws. I release cws from time to time and people who commission me, if this helps that situation then I am all for it..
but if people were to sell their cw's, I would still like the opportunity to purchase the cws they sell for full retail value that it was sold as(even though I may have to pay more compared to old pawn shop prices) but at least its not like a r200 auction where copies get sold for ridiculous prices.
Can't say I really did much with the pawn shop, but I am sad to see it being removed. I've seen cws I have commissioned in there and it didn't bother me. Older cws will always be recycled for something that is newly accepted whether they be pawned or sold to another user. It is the same for IRL such as clothing, games, books, and similar possessions.
Honestly, the actual CW shop & feed UI are pretty bad, they're quite difficult to search. I like the pawn cw shop for its ease of access and I'm not sure if I would continue to purchase cws because there are so many out there, and its so difficult to sift through them.
Is it April Fool's Day?
can you stop foaming at the mouth for a second and think? Items don't magically appear in the pawn shop, thoser are copies people don't want anymore, they'll still be selling them, just not in the pawn shop.
Terrible news :c
Please let me know your thoughts on my previous post - forgot to ping you there c: thanks~