Maybe the reason CW makers can't keep a value on their CWs is a fault of the production market (hey 600 csc unlimited batch items!) and not the secondhand market? There's only so many pink ponytail wigs you can make before "Do I pay 600 for this new one from an unlimited batch usershop or 300 for this 'old' but incredibly similar wig".
Like I get it that CWs aren't bringing in the big bucks anymore but WOW this is basically just a way to pseudo delete CWs so that people wanting a new one have to buy them from the users CW shop.
they should have a massive cw pawn shop giveaway like they did free shop DREAMING mwahaha yas I love dreaming big LOL
I'm just tired of people making comments about digital art being just pixels, as if it doesn't take as much time and effort as any physical medium. I /am/ sorry if my comment came across as outright mean -- I was aiming more for "sarcastic and snarky" than mean.
And plenty of people buy real-life art that they aren't constantly appreciating. Heck, that's how real-life clothes and jewelry typically work. Nobody stares at a pair of earrings for hours on end either, yet they still bought them for when they want to wear them.
Fine, damn it, i apologize for using the word pixels. i'm done, okay?
The description fit the situation and i thought maybe it would give you a laugh and make you feel better. I know how bad I feel when i do things like that and i don''t like others upset.
Sad days! I love many cws I'm just rarely able to justify paying $7 for one pixel picture that will be mostly lost in the thousands of other pretty pictures in my wardrobe. It has to be something really unique for me to want to slot on something so the pawn shop, and especially sales in that pawn shop, are when I really consider buying cws most. Regular CS items are more and more often just as fun as CWs these days and come at a third the price. While I can't speak for everyone, that's why I don't buy many CWs and why I'll be sad to see the pawn shop mostly closing down. It was the one chance for people who don't spend as much to get a deal they could stomach. I suppose this will make the 24hrpawn group even more important! This would have been good to know during that last sale! I was on the fence about several and just took too long to decide. I bet many more cws would have been bought up out of there with people knowing they wouldn't be able to buy them for much longer!
that seemed harsh. and no, you can't do much with it. most of the time you can't even see it. very few people wear a single wardrobe item constantly, and even when you do it's not like you have the picture in view for hours at a time. Why buy art if you aren't able to enjoy it? maybe i'm not great at expressing my thoughts properly but yeah, your comment just seemed really mean.
I'm having trouble understanding what this means exactly?
Will we never be able to purchase CW with CSC anymore?
I understand people who don't personally like or want CWs, but it makes me sad to see them acting like wanting CWs at all is stupid. I've only spent $5 on Subeta because I don't have a ton of money, but I still have over 30 CWs in my wardrobe just from saving up SP. I'm not stupid, I just have different priorities than you.
You have received Angelic Soap from Maladjusted_Jester
BLESS THIS HEAVENLY SOAP THAT HAS BEEN BESTOWED UPON ME but alas it is of pixels and extensions that cannot be brought into the real world
i must resort to dish soap and shampoo for today
:)
There is a "replacement" system in place - the r200 forums and trades are both ways to trade csc and CWs. It's just not as easy or condensed as the pawn shop, is all. Staff realize this and that's probably why the pawn shop isn't closing until Feb! ~ There has been so much discussion between creators / releasers / site staff on the slowly dying CW market that I'm sure this is just the first preparatory step towards a re-vamp of the CW economy.
The fact that people cannot purchase whenever in the future will likely give a higher incentive for them to browse r200 / trades more often, meaning sellers will be able to get faster interest and sales on CWs they no longer want. And you're right that keeping the system around may not be the absolute best thing to do, but if the whole thing were gotten rid of, the storm in here would be multiplied by 1000.
And if you ever wanted to get into CWs, there are many many resources in the forums as well as lots of friendly artists / releasers who are always more than willing to answer any question. (Feel free to sMail me any time!!!) That uncertainty is exactly what is stagnating the market and really killing a lot of the creativity that drives the CWs on site.
I think there are other things to factor in one this whole interest thing and how things went from 3-5 batches easily down to sometimes 1 batch is hard pressed. 1. There just isn't going to be people as interested as they were as the beginning because at the beginning, it was new. New things always garner more interest. Take a pet, it's new, everyone wants it and then as people get them, they waver. Which brings me to 2. Even if you don't pay attention to it as a whole. You have wigs that look damn similar to other wigs or shoes that look damn similar to other shoes, and so on and so forth, people don't need to spend CSC (real money) on something they already have an item of that's similar. I feel like the whole monthly sets for Delish are going this way now too. They seemed cool at first but besides the backgrounds and a few key different items, like the animals, there is just a lot of the same. 3. There is just flat out too much saturation. You have 10 colors of the same wig, if you like it, that's a lot of it to get. Time goes on, you don't use it, and others come out which are the new bigger badder thing (don't get me started on the trend items) and then suddenly you want that, but then guilt of your money you're spending takes over and you sell or pawn items to get new ones. Plus 4 or whatever number I'm on, if you're going to try to keep track of a lot of things, something somewhere has got to give. We've been having items that double as a battle challenger and some other item. I've noticed a lot of things like stickers and food are tending to be Cash Shop items too now. I just feel like we use to have a lot more regular-shop releases than we have had lately. (Maybe that's an unfair assessment and if so, you can statistic me into submission.) That said, most people can't buy it all, so they're going to have to choose what's more important, to keep working on that collection, intelligence pet, stat pet, wardrobe with items you can buy from the Cash Shop for 125-250 each that are still as gorgeous as what you'd find in the CWs or something else. At that point it seems more like the CW just heads to the land where you buy things more you feel like commissioning because they don't exist onsite already (and as time goes on that will be less and less) or they see something that fits a beloved pet's TC, with a random moment every now and then when you see something you just have to have. Now, I'm not counting those people who are like CW fanatics, I'm talking about the average user base. With all that said, this tends to fix one problem, and that's the fact that we feel a bit complacent because the Pawn Shop existed and we knew there was a pretty good chance to get most items later because for all of the above reasons, CWs wound up in the pawn shop. Other example would be the MKBs which I use to buy religiously and now I just don't even bother because I know whenever I need to I can just buy slots through the pet page, so meh, no worries. I think in the end it's just going to be an area regular users are kind of out of, and those that have some sort of income on Subeta (from art, CWs themselves, story writing, etc.) or just those with tons of funds to throw at this are going to dominate the market until it just falters pretty much all together.
... welp.
i never really bought anything from that place but this is sad to hear.
Off I go to see what's in the pawn shop. Toodles!
I did mean CW prices are too much not just to buy the item, but the cost to get them on-site. Especially since so many look so alike. (Also, why is the Bad-Word Filter no longer working? yes I have it enabled.)
I'm thinking with the Pawn Shop closing, when you come across CWs in your wardrobe that you haven't used for awhile, when you go to sell it on the R200 boards, you might actually be able to sell it since there is no Pawn Shop to do business against. So that might be a good thing. You'll still get it at a discounted price and we get more than 250/300 CSC, so this could be a win/win.
Catering to the desires of the few over the many? Money talks!
A good is only worth what a buyer is willing to spend.
they're not getting deleted sweetie :P just not buyable outside of designated times
do you have dish soap? that should work fine for now too :o
It would be cool if we had some transparency on how many of our released CW items are currently in the pawn shop once you can't buy back from it anymore.
I never understood why anyone sold CWs to the pawn shop at a guaranteed loss in the first place. But there's now such a glut of samey CWs (the endless indistinguishable wigs...) that it's no wonder they haven't retained their value.
Thanks for your response, I actually do know that and support an improvement! I mean why now instead of when the problem was first realized, and why now instead of when a replacement system is ready? They're more rhetorical questions than actual questions to a choice already decided that doesn't make sense to me. People can still sell but can only buy when the staff says so, making it into 'a dump'? It just doesn't make sense to keep around from my perspective, that of a former admin (not on here) who sees it as a player motivation and retention issue, as well a total drain on the resources of staff. It creates a problem instead of solving one and comments from staff about the details should be in the news post, not in the sb and news. It's still the CSC generator that caused problems for the site, not just the artists. I really wanted to make CWs but the uncertainly of the market makes me wary. I'm an adoptable maker and my market is $3-$5 dollars per original designs.
I've been impressed with communication during my return but on this I'm disappointed in the vagueness. I do see those dates in the 'Welcomes' forum and how far apart they are. Everyone I talk to is a long time player and the only newbie I know? I brought here less than a month ago. I used to meet newbies all the time. All these leftover pieces are far more of an issue new players see than committed users. The amount of confusion I've had to deal with from my partner - who's played complicated strategy games for years - is really shocking. We have to stop halfway doing things.
Pffft xD sry, i reread again. Ansrewed my own question. Items aren't just gonna poof after selling to the shop. Super sleepy. =w= The cw pawn shop is what dipped my toes in the water to actually buying cws but I'm interested in seeing how this will affect the cw community. :D
oh no it was normal soap but like do i have to bathe with shampoo for today till i buy new soap :c
I will buy from the pawn shop what I can until February 1st and then no more cw's for me, I guess I'll stick with the ones I have. I am not willing to pay the high prices they have reached. Between this, limited release and few batches...ykw just keep them to yourself
Meh, the only way I ever purchased CWs was the pawn shop. I have never understood how to purchase them otherwise and I probably wouldn't anyways. The cost is too high for me. I guess this will not really affect me too much though.
Saying it's just "a handful of pixels" is like calling any real-life object "just a bunch of atoms." Good job, you discovered the base components of a thing. Not like it takes any skill or effort to put those component parts together in a way that is enjoyable. Not like anybody would ever pay real money for ANY digital art. If you can't touch it, it's not paying for, right?
...so let's say someone sells a cw to the new regulations cw pawn shop. Where does that item go? A POOF? Or is it still on site, but only accessible to whomever has to deal with that fun stuff (staff)? With older, 1 batch, but less copies on the site due to frozen users who had the items and them getting deleted with their accounts and other items in it, I hope they don't disappear forever! There's quite a few popular items I've seen on most users' wls and some of the stuff people pawn... you rub your eyes and glance again because I think the ones who put them there be cray ;u;
On the other hand, I've never released anything, so I don't know the struggles of releasing, but a couple friends do and if they can benefit from this, then I'm very happy that this helps them! :) I guess my only disdain from this is if the sold to pawn shop cws were gone completely after pawing never to be seen again. I'm all for thinking up an alternative that still helps both sides of it as much as possible! :o
If it was a wash in terms of influencing cost of batches, though, it also had a net benefit of letting people have access to items with...trying to find the word...less opaque system of gate-keeping? As solutions go, I think it lacks symmetry on the harm versus help and would rather see people judge the market better and react accordingly, as opposed to reducing options.
I missed one of the Backdrop's I wanted, too. Hopefully (no offense to those that originally created the CW's) we can get them there before the shop closes, or maybe at a price close to what it was in there. Good luck!
Considering buying a CW is essentially spending real money for a handful of pixels, I think the prices are already pretty ridiculous That said - buying CWs is the only reason I buy CSC in the first place, and the pawn shop selling them for a price I can somewhat justify spending real money on them was a good thing for me. I have no intention of paying 600+ CSC for ANY CW. I would rather not buy them at all. There are better things to spend the money on. paying bills, maybe...
the pawn shop isn't the only thing to blame but it wasn't helping either there's always tons of reasons why things turn sour and the pawn shop is i think the easiest to address out of the gate with the staff's efforts to revitalize the community
That's fine, but if you get rid of the CW pawn shop, MAKE THE CW SHOP EASIER TO BROWSE. Right now, it's a nightmare. I never know what is for sale by item or by price. If I'm not following a shop, I will never know something is for sale that I might want to buy. THAT is why I use the CW pawn shop.
So, to reiterate...MAKE THE CW SHOP EASIER TO BROWSE.
I've purchased from the Pawn Shop just a few items but as someone who looks primarily for potential TC items this change is not a popular one. I am more bothered that there is going to be SOMETHING to help with this situation...someday? Why on earth does this game continue to make this mistake? Nothing in place but getting rid of a feature makes no sense to me :/
Thank you for the heads up! Bought a wig I had my eye on for awhile now...(Thanks for the purchase! Here is your Noxious Tainted Sidecut! ) I just wish I sprang into action quicker last time you made a cw pawn shop announcement and grabbed :( all gone -tear. It's so close to my normal hair in rl. Hopefully someone will make more or sell me theirs (oh and I don't understand all the rage. I buy CSC from shops-never spend rl $$)
oh god that sucks :( was it a fancy soap?
Well, that's not cool.
I do spend to release, actually, so I understand some of it. I actually had three items not finish slotting recently, although one of those was I think due to people not realizing it existed until my deadline for submitting to user shop and the price increase thereof. I gave people the slot price, too, for invitations to the item, even though I'll need several more sales just to make the profit from the shop placement (that doesn't even cover the commission cost). It was just a risk I was willing to take.
Some of it is the sheer number of items being released that fill each others' niches, maybe; if someone has so many wigs, that design (no matter how expensive) may just be part of a flooded market. And sometimes it's going to be that good, and that's usually the batch that's capped. The rest of the time, well, I still don't think it's the Pawn Shop that's to blame.
Something like that would literally KILL the CW market. If you essentially take away the control people have over their items, they're going to stop commissioning and releasing entirely.
I bought nearly all my CW's via the pawn shop on splurges. I've bought like 2 from actual shops. So this makes me a little bit sad, but It will save me real life money, which is a silver lining.
i personally have high hopes that if cws and economy in general can be stabilized again, releasers will once again have the possibility to slot 3+ batches per item, like it used to. That would be amazing!
Hello ~
A reasoning (not 100% sure it is the same reasoning for why it is being kept open) that was discussed among creators/releasers was that people want a way to quickly obtain CSC for their CWs for emergencies / whatever purposes when r200 cannot sell fast enough. The purchasing part was what was significantly harming the CW community and releasers, not selling.
By retaining the selling part but not the purchasing, more users will likely try to sell through r200 / whatever new system is decided upon / trades rather than using the pawn shop since ALL PURCHASERS can't access the "dump" that has become the pawn shop.
This puts selling back into the users' hands and quite honestly, should help get more CSC into sellers' hands. The pawn shop turns things around at a higher price than is given to the seller.
I believe that it might be rare but those are the consistant experiences I have personally had with CWs and they have turned me off of them for good. I don't even mind the 700 CSC price, and would happily pay it upfront but I don't want to be in desperate ping-induced dogfights for items. It leaves me with a bad taste. However even if I bow out, I know a lot of users love it so I hope Subeta can fix the economy for them!
it's relative to a certain extent, but if you spend $60 on a cw design, do you want to take the risk that not even one batch fills, because everyone is scared it'll end up devalued in the pawn shop the next day?
I'll admit that the news post was very vague as to the intent and purpose, but I'd say that there were valid reasons to see the pawn shop as a concern for people who actually spend a lot of money to introduce new cws!
Closing it down alone won't necessarily change things around, you're right, but Keith said tht it was step one of a new system to make things better (:
I would love to see the pawn shop stay open for selling to and buying from. I would love to see ALL cw's be UNLIMITED..no privates or friends only to buy. A limit on recolors...
Oh...major bummer :( While I have only found ONE WL item in the pawn shop and I often buy directly from CW shops themselves....I browse the PS daily and often find things in there to purchase....I will definitely miss the discounted items :(
on an unrelated note, i dropped a new bar of soap into the toilet bowl and now im sad because i have to buy new soap.
That 'larger view' is missing out, again and again, with several people mentioning similar experiences. Keeping value is in some ways a very relative term. I admit that I probably have a vastly different perspective than you, but it's still a frustrated one that I'm not alone in.
Keeping up with friends, I understand. Making things for friends, having an entire social circle and set-up and working with an economy, it's human. But it's going to leave some people out, and the Pawn Shop was some small method of redress. To have that gone isn't necessarily going to increase spending for users like me or PinkPetals or Paradise.
Oh nooooo! Major bummer. I can understand the reasoning from a CW maker's point of view. but as a buyer I'm going to sorely miss this feature.
How will Subeata recoup the csc handed out to people who pawn their items tho' without buyers?
Oh no ... I saw "private" and "entitled". Oh boi oh boi. Time to gtfo lmao.
They've given CWs out of the Pawn Shop away before, for raffles. Many people mentioned they pawned them right back.