Why now, with nothing ready to replace it? It's just like with the wardrobe: you removed a 'problem' that functioned and replaced it with a totally non-functional struggle which demotivated users to the point where many of my friends took hiatuses (a YEAR for me, until my decade long investment in a wardrobe was useable again) and that didn't work out in the end anyways. It's confusing. No one thinks it's the end of the world, but we can think it's a bad move. Yeah, I read all the posts and all they make me think is, "Yet again they make the most confusing move possible." For special events, really? That's... an even WORSE idea. It's just a big roadblock to progress. Just shut the whole thing down if you're going to do it. It's such a waste of resources to make it an 'event' shop. Jeez, we have WAY too many of those in the first place.
Again, not angry, just confused. None of the explanations cover why you're not just shutting it down instead of presenting a replacement along with it. Replace things when you take them away! Ideas for replacements are NOT replacements.
Huh. Okay. A reason would have been nice.
Guess I'll be saving more of my RL money then.
/spent way too much at the pawn shop, buying from the newest added list
forreal?
,> i have a lot of emotions, most of them are negative, so i'm going to keep my mouth shut until i process them...
you need to see the larger portrait of the cw scene i think!
In very rare occasions, items will be very desirable with a small batch count - it means it keeps its value. Makes it inflated too sometimes, and that's the irritant of it, but you have to understand that people who usually submit items as 2-3-4 batches can't even fill one anymore: for the simple reason that user's reasoning is that it will be widely available and cheap 'and in the pawn shop tomorrow'. It isn't a false assumption either because it has happened so many times.
So yes, sometimes it's frustrating but I'd say that for the most part, those 1-2 batches items are the ones that keep their value & dont end in the pawn shop either!
I agree there where many times I wanted a slot and it is pages and pages, and privates. We as users got told we where "entitled" for even mailing about questions regarding a cw that is private, or not even getting an answer back. My friend (RIP) got told to butt off the thread cause it was for pinged people only. ;(
WHOOPS then i totally misunderstood your message xD youre right that sometimes the pawn can have nice, rare stuff in it! i'll miss that part about stalking the pawn tbh. but it also lessens mistakes that can happen for people with a few hundred cws and cant collect their thoughts on whats private or not and end up accidentally putting it in the wrong place, POTENTIALLY RUINING FRIENDSHIPS, RUINING LIVES AND LEADING TO CERTAIN DEATH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO /slapped
Well. That was interesting to read through. Something I didn't really know about, kinda wish I had, probably couldn't have afforded and now is going away. I guess I can see why some people are upset and some are glad. It seems like, from what I could glean from comments, that it is probably the right decision to close it. I think.
pretty sure I know which wig you're talking about - and trust me, this is a very rare occurance. At the same time, if the releaser made 6 batches, it wouldn't have rettained attention. There is a delicate balance between supply and demand - much more so when it involves money of course.
I totally understand your frustration because we all miss out on items we want (whether private or exclusive or simply rare to find). I hope this is the sort of issues that will be addressed. I can assure you that if we had the ability to consitently slot 3 batches on cws, we would. Because that means more profit for us, too.
I think most people also underestimate just how much it costs to get a cw onsite if you aren't an artist. Users dont want to pay 5-7 for a cw, but releasers pay far more than that to have it made. If they can sell 4 batches, that'd be awesome for them. If they can't even make 1, it's really just unfair for them!
i mean, i'm not super passionate about it one way or the other. all i meant was that some people choose to sell to the pawn shop because they really really can't find a buyer, or they do find a buyer and either make a profit or break even. it's up to the individual whether or not it's worth it. i didn't say anything about "big-time-cw buyers" profiting, i just mentioned that people who release a lot of CWs are the ones who face the most challenge because of the pawn shop (less interest in slotting because people figure they can just buy something from the pawn shop later, even though the really popular items are the ones you'll be hard-pressed to find anywhere - and one thing i liked about the pawn shop was that incredibly rare lucky moment when you spot something that you actually really want but weren't around for slotting) and so this change seems intended to benefit them most - which it is, as stated in the CW creator subforum thread from which this idea stemmed.
I've seen at least one thread recently where someone capped 'because of interest' based on one ping group, and then as soon as they opened it up more there were literally ten more people wanting the item. Not to mention, that first batch would have made the move to selling from user shop free. It's this frustrating mix of circumstances all around.
let's be honest here, CWs suck. they're far too expensive whether you're making them or purchasing them. they're really not worth the hassle. when i look at how cheap custom items are on aywas, it makes subeta look insane.
you can't even buy a CW item for SP because it'll probably cost you at least 50mil. i, personally, don't have that kind of money for one single item. i could more easily flesh out my collections and train my pet. i don't care about the pawn shop, honestly. but that's mostly because i can't even afford the cheaper stuff in there.
Yikes.
People in this news post have been saying that so I guess I am inclined to believe it is the case on the regular. But my experience with CWs was several years ago and the market was booming and this was happening. So I just avoided the whole thing. Fast forward to a month or so ago, I was on Subetalodge and in their newest item box was the PRETTIEST wig. It was a CW and I thought to myself, Oh I really shouldn't but I want it so much. So I subscribed to get recolors of the wig in hopes of trading for the original. Every single ping was a 1 batch (rarely on occasion a 2 batch) release. And every single ping there were pages and pages of users wanting the wig and being so disappointed every time that there were only like 6 slots after the releaser and creator got theirs. It was just sad when the releaser could have just made more the next recolor.
There may be be some items that are, I won't say there aren't because I don't know all the items on site. But I do know that staff makes a clear effort to put old/retired/unavailable items back in circulation for us. Is everyone going to finish their wardrobe or beanbag collection or plushie collection? Probably not. But it would be because that task takes a large amount of dedication and focus, not because the items literally aren't anywhere available on site. However, yes I know that CWs aren't going anywhere at this point, it is just unfortunate.
As far as slots, I know they can't change it once they have said a certain amount. But often there are multiple recolors of an item so the popular of the item is clear each time and the releaser will still only do 1 batch for every recolor, when they could easily have filled 5 or 6.
Yeah I completely agree, I also don't even like to so much as recognize them as items on the site since they are so vastly unobtainable unless I want to spend gobs of real money on a few items, when I can spend that same amount for more articles of real life clothing or food and such. So I really don't even contemplate them for any reason, not TC, wardrobe, nothing. I think I only have one W in my wishlist but I'll probably end up removing it seeing as it will be far more impossible to obtain it than many other multi-million SP items that are also on my wishlist. At least those items, if I want them, I can work towards it with in-game effort, not having to crack open my wallet to get it. I do support Subeta, but I do so getting CSC for gold accounts or to get other cash shop items when there is a nice sale, but only on the official Subeta items there, never CW. There are some nice CWs, but none are worth the prices they demand.
thanks hun I will check it out
OMG YES. If there's going to be R200 user shops that will be the most wonderful thing to replace the pawn shop. If items get less valuable that way it's exactly JUST because people will not pay more, but not because they get deflated over time by "force" (like in the pawn shop) and people can just sit and wait for that to happen.
disappointed
I liked the pawn shop.
Something I just realized also: There's a ping group for items that you plan to pawn soon, so people can come and buy them for pawn price (which again, is less than they will pay if they buy from the pawn shop instead of from a user) and even then, items don't sell. Maybe not having access 24/7 to the items inside the pawn shop will help those things to actually sell. Like, hey, I mean it, this is really your last chance to get this item from me.
That doesn't even include 'oh, you missed this slotting' or 'I'm interested in juuuust the right offer' kinds of things that make the forums a horrible experience. mentioned it getting less rewarding; for me (and I am releasing CWs), the limited slots and trying to find the right bloody topic have left me burnt twice in the last two weeks because people don't want things 'ending up in the pawn shop' (even though it's bloody free to send something to user shop after it slots the first time), making the annoying part of custom wearables the forums and slots rather than the pawn. Some of us have more CSC than opportunity, and the pawn shop was a good avenue for that.
Aside from exceptions, this is far from true actually!
So many items can't even be submitted because there arent 8 users willing to slot on them. It's the whole reason why there is 'devaluing' - not to the occasional pawn shop buyer but for those who spend a lot of money to put onsite items that are devalued so quickly. There used to be a time where cws could be slotted for 3-4-5 batches but that's a veeeery rare occasion nowadays. But the price is still the same, omg am I making sense im sorry if I dont ;_;
I'm with you on that one. The idea of CW's is great, having user art supported and all that, but being a $$ venture...I'm out. I look at them, I wishlist the ones I'd wardrobe, but other than that, I don't worry about galleries or TC's for them. The ...4? I have were gifted. I won't pay real money for them, I won't buy into the system. So...I don't much care about this change either.
And while I agree with you on how disappointing it is to see popular designs' recolors being released as one batch...once it's posted at one batch there's nothing the releaser can do no matter how many people post. They can get a warning for changing it after the fact.
What?? That's fucked dude. I love the CW pawn shop.
i hope this doesnt come across as rude or anything, but CWs can still devalue even without the pawn shop! you can say that 'big-time-cw buyers' would profit, but from what? imagine someone bought 700 csc for 7 usd to buy an item. if they manage to sell it for higher, good for them! but its still someone else's money, right? SOMEONE ELSE 'LOST' in monetary terms. if they sold it for the same, that's fine too, they lose nothing and gain nothing. if they sell it for lower, they have essentially lost money. they lost their item, they lost their usd, they lost a portion of their csc. THEY ALREADY LOSE. and then comes along the pawn shop, further worsening the ability of those 'profit makers' to CUT LOSSES.
also again, as i've said, selling an item to the pawn shop for someone else to buy it is essentially 1 person paying HALF PRICE for someone else WITHOUT ANY GAIN. which is pretty shitty. would you give me 3 bucks to buy me something that cost 7? that im not going to share with you and am going to enjoy ALL TO MYSELF? maybe once? would you do it multiple times? 10 times? 20? thats essentially what cw slotters are doing for the rest of the community via pawn shop.
bye pawn shop, nice knowing you!! c:
personally I see things in pawn shop and think oh that's cute but I hardly ever buy since i figure it will still be there down the road. maybe with the closing, some items will actually be bought.
and the items not bought will still be there, just not 100% open access 100% of the time
i'd still love an option to delete items for csc but i guess that's just me
I am with . CWs disappoint me. It is frustrating to have items onsite that users can never hope to achieve. Isn't the point of a game to be able to achieve anything as long as you can put in the time and effort for it? Yet many of these CWs are impossible prices, or privates or just unavailable to buy. And then super popular CWs releasers will only ping to release 1 batch when they have 3 pages of users immediately after the ping wanting the item but they won't slot ever more. So yeah, unpopular opinion but as it is I don't typically involve myself in CWs anyways. However, am curious to see how this change will supposedly help.
The R200 forum is the subforum in Advertising where CWs can be bought/sold secondhand. So "Looking through the R200 forum" is just, browsing that forum.
This makes me sad.
i went back and read your comments and i realize i'm assuming you meant the person selling an item back to the shop, the site would be covering the amount for the original slot now knowing i made this assumption.let me make sure i'm interpreting your suggestion properly user buys wig for 700 from releaser, tries and doesn't like it, sells back to shop for 300 (same as pawn shop would sell), shop now has 1 of wig in inventory that can be sold for 700, when a different user buys, subeta takes back the 300, shop makes 400 profit right? if this is what you meant, i can too see a lot of benefits to doing something like this ie: people know who the original releaser was, the shop is making the profit again, etc
the problem i would see for this as a business owner is that subeta makes nothing from this set-up except the monies put down originally for getting the item on site. also, not sure how or if this could even be implemented? it's a good idea though
WTF...
How often is the pawn shop gonna be opened?
Wow, okay. Well, as far as my two cents, I'm a bit amazed by the devaluing statement. The only things that seemed to be devalued were the some of the CWs from the beginning that the art was kind of meh on. Probably things that wouldn't get passed now (... well, depending on the day). Of course, maybe I just feel that way because there isn't anyway in Hell I'm spending 10 real life dollars on one item like some people are willing to do. I understood the actual not-so-great items that aren't selling after some point being deleted, but this seems like a good idea that went bad because it overshot. This also is probably the end of me buying CWs, which makes me a bit sad. I'm not subjecting myself to the circus that is the CW wearable forums and ping groups. I'm also not subjecting myself to the trade center back and forth things. To all those who still post their CWs with a set price in the trades, I love you, you will be my only hope and the only hope of my friends who have CWs in their wishlists that I like to bomb.
May I ask for a link to the r200 shop or forum is??? I am looking and cant find it. Thanks so much for your help please
Well I'm not... totally okay with this change. I almost never buy CWs straight from the artist, but that's because a lot of the items I want for myself or my friends are either super limited to one batch or private. And at least one occasion, contacting the artist of a private item got no response at all. I have to rely on the pawn shop in the hopes that the item shows up there.
Almost all of the CWs I've collected have been found in the pawn shop, and it would suck to miss out on finding a nice item at an affordable price. (Because a CW that's 800 to 1k csc just seems overpriced to me, and I've seen items sell for more than that.)
My main concern is that if users are still able to sell items to the pawn shop, and it opens for that special occasion, it will be a mad rush for the users on and with enough csc on hand to grab whatever items they want, leaving the offline users almost no chance to check or buy from the shop. Kinda like how the Token Shop restocks are, but with only a small handful of buyable CWs as opposed to dozens or hundreds of items to buy over the course of 24hrs. So personally, as a user that does their best to avoid the seemingly cliquey social group would just stop buying CWs altogether.
Oh please please! R200 user shops that we can set any prices on for those spare CWs we are looking to part with. Make them show up on Shop Search. Anyone could see them being sold.
THIS WOULD BE A BRILLIANT IDEA. + 1000
Ooh, do you mean like user shops where you can set prices in CSC for secondhand CWs? Because that'd solve so many of the issues that people are bringing up in these comments!
Yeah screw you pawn shop
I'd rather implement a way for users to sell only CWs in their shops for CSC, and that way the price can be set by the user, and can fluctuate that way :D
I will add on my own opinion, that CWs are pretty high priced to begin with, so them being "devalued" seems a bit harsh of a statement. I have never bought CWs and never will as I don't like the idea of spending the equal of 5-7 dollars on a single pile of pixels (and that is just the discounted price in the pawn shop, not the original price.) that yes, may look nice but there are plenty of official subeta items that are just as nice. The discounts would have made it more likely for me to grab something, though still not very likely at all due to the high pricing of them. With this new implementation, my hances of ever buying a CW are now completely 0% seeing as I'm sure the full price of these items are even more of a turn off than the discount prices. I could honestly justify getting some CW if they were only the equal of a dollar or 2 in CSC. Honestly, CWs have been the biggest disappointment in this site in my opinion. I realize I'm probably going to get a lot of disagreement with my statement, but I felt the desire to make it regardless of if it does anything.
didn't mean to imply that they did. i just meant in a general sense - some items that originally sold for 600 csc are now worth a couple thou simply because that's what people have agreed to pay for them.
I know I'm not yet into the cw community, I've released like 1 thing and I may understand why this is being implemented but it sucks a lot especially for those of us who can't slot on everything we'd like to and have to use the pawn to buy things we like.
Sure, a lot of people wait til its cheaper to buy because hey! Csc is fucking expensive man. And not everyone can afford to blow 10 bucks on buying it nor are everyone able to spend 24/7 on here to make sP to buy csc.
Like I said, I get it. I really do. But its a bit of a bummer for some people who are now going to pretty have no chance at this in the future. I know you're implementing other ways but still. /shrugs
Whoa nelly, I saw this being discussed on the CW makers forum but it got implemented so quickly! Kudos on you Keith! Also shitstorm ahoy
For an item to end up in the pawn shop, a person must have sold it there, and the pawn shop ALWAYS sells higher than it buys. There are many many people on the R200 threads selling items for cheaper than pawn shop price (And I myself have done it before). What would help is an easier way for users to advertise their 'second-hand' CWs so to say, but that's a discussion for another day.
Some people seem to think that as CW releasers we make a lot of money... we don't lol. It's a struggle just to break even on releasing CWs... we do it cause we want to, not because it's profitable. (If CW makers released things purely for profit we will have very very few CWs on site believe you me) But for some people it's become SO unprofitable that it's not even fun anymore, can you imagine dropping 1-2k to push your item on site (cause you love it and want to use it) and have several spare copies, but are unable to sell those as well cause someone put your item in the pawn shop and now people can just buy it there thx. I've been there man and it is unsustainable to have several copies each of your releases lying around unable to be sold. It's not a case of HUEHUHEHUE THINK OF ALL THE PROFITS WE COULD GAIN BY INFLATING THE PRICE OF THIS ITEM twirls moustache evilly Don't even get me started on the price to commission CWs in the first place OTL Most of CW releasers are not artists :(
I understand not wanting to spend a lot of money on CWs! I really do! And dare I say it as someone who browses R200 regularly the pawn shop isn't even the cheapest way to buy CWs currently. It's just one of the easiest ways to browse and hopefully Keith and the team could find someone to help make CWs more accessible to all!
Well, if this is going to help the cw market, and hopefully eventually reduce the cost of cws, then I'm all for it! I could see all these beautiful items not getting on site(or taking a long time to fill slots)...Which just saddens me So, I'm really glad to see that there's some kind of plan(s) to be put it place to make things better!
We actually record a lot of "events" on the site as they happen. Less than 5% of the time has someone purchased CSC in the same day as they've bought an item from the pawn shop - so it's generally not people seeing a great deal and running to buy CSC.
Also, items can't fluctuate in price with the pawn shop.
may I please ask what the Looking thru the r200 forum is? I have not seen it before that I can remember thanks
As a cw artist and one who has sold, bought and released cws for years, I'd just like to bring a different perspective to people thinking it is only negative ;
Someone who purchases or releases a design wants to either break even or make profit - it's the whole point, right? As it was now, cws were hardly slotting, newer items ended up in the pawn shop for cheaper and it demotivated anyone into diving in the cw community because it was becoming an incredibly expensive (and non-rewarding) hobby.
I totally understand that not everyone can pay the full price of cws (heck ive gifted several hundreds of cws myself), but it also isn't fair for those who do pay, to see their items being so devalued in such a short amount of time.
That being said, I do hope Subeta can provide us with a more dynamic cw economy. As long as closing the pawn shop is the just beginning of a series of changes, I think we can atleast all hope for a better system. We need more ways to circulate cws user-to-user, not just user-subeta to make this work!
ALSO YOU THOUGHT I WAS DONE HAH YOU WON'T GET RID OF ME SO EASILY
I just wanted to say another thing, people who release custom wearables aren't 'the big man' or 'the guys upstairs' or 'evil corporate entities'. We're not sitting cackling on our Scrooge Mcduck piles of gold. They're just people, normal users, who for some reason decide to spend the money in the 'hobbies and interests' box of their budget on subeta. I understand not many people want to drop upwards of $5 dollars on a virtual item, and that's totally understandable! Sometimes, it sounds crazy even to me (and I try not to think about just how much I've spent on these virtual items either haha)
But, please try to see it from the POV of user whose hobbies include buying and releasing virtual clothes for some reason. Is it fair that they have to spend sometimes 10-20 dollars to release a single item? Only to have spare copies and very few people wanting to buy because everyone can just get it from the pawn shop at anytime at a slightly cheaper price. Wouldn't it feel like they were just throwing money into the void then? (Ha and I know you can simply say 'don't spend money on subeta' but these are the people who keep the site afloat yes?)