We've all paid real money to rename our pets. Back before there was a name exchange option, I had to pay 15 bucks apiece, which is what it cost back then. Today people only have to pay 750 csc to exchange names. Do I have to accept the fact that I lost money? Yes. That's how it works.

Fact of the matter is that when the money is gone, the money is gone. If you buy something that goes on sale the next day, you don't get that money back. It's gone, and you already got what you paid for. You can't have it all. That's life.

I've changed pet names so many times and I'd still pay the same amount it costs now for it if non unique names happens. Quite a few of those times were years ago when it was more expensive to do it and as I never had money I could spend I had to save and grind sp.

In fact, I may be more likely to change a pet name more freely since I won't have to worry about permanently losing a name.

Is it fair that I had to pay 100 dollars per two pet slots, while you can get the same thing for thirty dollars, now? I didn't get that money back either. Like Satyr said, name changes were also more expensive before, and we weren't refunded for that either.

You spent the money at the time, and it was a good idea at the time. I shouldn't be refunded for decisions I made in 2007. I enjoy these pet slots, and I haven't lost anything from them getting cheaper - I only benefit from it.

You paid to rename your pets back when you did. You had years of enjoyment of having those names. You aren't losing money. You paid for a service and got this service and got to enjoy it for years while others couldn't

Do you lose money everytime something goes on sale months or even years after you bought it? No you don't. If you paid for it then it was worth this much to you and you had enjoyments out of it. There's nothing that says something won't go on sale, change price, or even get given away for free in the future. That's just how things are.

- If this were to happen would it mean no more clearing?

I had also seen people suggest some way of marking the original/first named pet of which ever name. If that is a consideration then how would that work with clearing? e.g. user 1 has pet called Tom they become inactive. When the name clears would the second pet named Tom become the first or would the first Tom once it is cleared be the original/first?

I know I've said my piece previously, but I'd love to let other people use my pet names, even if only a few of them are appealing to other people. There's zero chance in hell I'd give up or rename my pets, but I think it'd be really cool if other people could have pets named Antonio or Alexei.

Also, I would like to be refunded the difference for that time I had to pay 10 dollars apiece to change pet 1's name to a dummy name, change pet 2's name to pet 1's name, then change pet 1's name to pet 2's old name. That'll be 22.50 USD, please. I take paypal.

I've probably spent about a grand over the past many many years on renames & pet slots and yup still support non-unique names and don't expect nor want any form of compensation.

Anyone else remember the old name clearing system with 5-10 enchanted hypno wands ($10, iirc)?

I was elated when renames were changed to the current system and reduced in price; even more so when swapping names was introduced for 750 csc. I'd be elated if names changed and the pricing remained the same. Yeah I have a stack of csc still but I'd throw down on principle.

Can't say the same for nicknames though. If they were free I'd probably just use them to mess with people since profiles link to ID and battle stats doesn't have a changing url.

you won't get your money back when subeta inevitably shuts down from being outdated and dead.

i understand that people paid real money for those name changes, and for the rights to their unique names. people have had the opportunity to enjoy unique names for more than 15 years on this site. right now, however, consider the situation. i don't have the facts to back this up, necessarily, but i am assuming that subeta is on a downward trend, financially-speaking, AND in terms of user activity. if we moved to non-unique names, is there a chance that long-time users would be driven away? yes. is there a chance that long-time users would return to actively play and spend money on their pets again? yes. is there also a chance that new users would have more incentive to stay and participate in a newly-revived community? yes.

is there a chance that, by keeping things the way they are, subeta will die? yes. is there a chance that subeta will survive? yes? maybe?

i wonder which gamble subeta will bet on?

After following this thread for quite some time, I'm just going to add that I hate the idea of non-unique pet names. I also have friends who share this opinion but as has been mentioned before in this thread a couple of times, they don't speak up because they don't want to be called elitist and I'm sure there's others like that.

I would love non-unique names myself. But I also understand those who don't. On another site I used to go to they had both unique and non-unique names. The first or original pet would be unique and the person who created the same pet with the same name had "clone" on the profile. The users also had to ask permission to the non-unique users pet in order to have the name cloned. The tokens were bought with real money/support/cash shop type thing. I personally never got to create one because their donation shop was always closed but everyone was happy with it. Some users even put "you're re allowed to clone my pets name/not allowed" on their profiles so users knew ahead of time.

Not sure how they did that but I found it neat.

i got froze and started new. had friends grab names for me. i lost a ton. i would spend all the real currency to get them back. some i see on accounts who post in here !! i would pay for the names that meant something to me, i already paid for most of my slots back. people pay because they like the service.

i don't like the nickname feature. it seems too much to try and cater to only the old users who don't want to let go of what they have. its been 15yrs. i think its time that subeta embraces the times and brings in non unique names.

not to mention : elitist wouldn't be a thing if non unique names happened. if we all have equal choices then you can't put one on a pedestal. you don't lose your name ?? go about working on them as norm. no 'tom' would be the same. different species, colour, tc, story, coding, minion. so your tom wouldn't be the same as my tom. and guess what ?? you'd still have tom !! your tom !! wowee !!

Being a user who has, like many of us, spent hundreds of dollars for renaming Pets over the years I can just say that I would fully support non-unique pet names even though I probably would not make much use of it myself. If it helps to breathe some life into Subeta again (because, to be honest, the site looks pretty deserted to me) then have fun with your personal Adam, Black, Night and whatever, everyone.

Just my two cents, if democracy decides this ship is going down with unique pet names one day in the future then that's ok as well for me.

i'm really, really sorry to hear that they don't feel safe posting on this thread. i'd love to hear their takes on the matter.

i completely forgot that i was the OP for this thread, because i posted it so darned long ago, lol. i've had some time to consider my stance on the argument. i would just like to say that, despite being a supporter of non-unique names, i wholeheartedly believe that wanting names to stay unique, for whatever reason, is a valid stance to take.

do some people view the "unique names" crowd as selfish? probably. i can see why people would get that impression. but i also don't believe it's selfish, period. we all joined subeta with the understanding that this was a "unique name" pet site. that system has been in place for a long time. while not having access to certain names is stifling to me personally, that could be EXACTLY what some people love about the pet naming system. i've seen some say that they love the "hunt" for a good name. i've seen others say that they would rather create a character based on the pet's name. sometimes people are inspired by their random adoption center finds. i'm certain there are people out there who enjoy the name-clearing system, and love the hard work it takes to get a desirable name after waiting months or years for it to clear.

like i said, i personally don't enjoy these aspects of the system. but who is to say that this method of playing subeta is any less important?

i'm sorry if my previous posts implied that it was more important for the "non-unique names" crowd to get what they wanted. both the "unique names" crowd and the "non-unique names" crowd have different ways of being creative with their subeta pets, and i don't want the "unique names" crowd to be synonymous with "elitism" when i highly doubt selfishness is the only basis for their argument.

that being said, i still support non-unique names. but not just because i want to have access to desirable names. if that never happens, it never happens, fine, i'll suck it up. what i worry about the most is subeta's lifespan. it appears that subeta's pet community is dying faster than ever before. i wonder about new user retention. i see one of two things happening:

1. subeta's pet community continues its downward trend, or

2. subeta takes a HUGE leap of faith, attempts to revitalize the pet community by introducing non-unique names, and becomes more relevant to the niche virtual pet community

again. i'm not staff. i'm not putting words into staff's mouth. my assumptions could be TOTALLY wrong, and if so, then i'll be the first to apologize for spouting nonsense. but if we're already doing , then why not take the risk outlined in ?

or is it too late? is it not worth the effort? i wonder.

Pets have never been a priority for me here, I'm more into the wardrobe. However, I won't pretend that I didn't get excited when I first learned that non-unique names might just happen. I'd love to be able to recreate my real life pets here. I've started looking at items differently now, instead of "Oh, that's not a wearable, next!" I think "Ooh, that would fit so-n-so perfectly".

So I guess I'm throwing in my two cents and my vote for non-unique names. I'll also add that, I'm not really interested in nicknames, it's either their name or not, no need to make it complicated.

Edit: Good grief, spelling errors everywhere.

I still support the non-unique names. If others want to use my Pet names, that's okay for me. Even with the thought in mind that I spent thousands of CSC on them and almost died of heart attacks in clearings after waiting months/years for them to finally clear/be inactive.

If I can get some desired names myself in exchange, it is a win/win situation.

Though for a simple nickname I don't think I' d pay. But that's just me I guess...

What would people think of, if every user could individually decide if he will allow other users to create the name he owns or not?

I think that would be convoluted and unnecessary. If the system worked that way, it would only be fair that if you refused to share your names, you were also not allowed to take advantage of names that were "free" - which could be obnoxious (or even impossible) to code. The ability to adopt/transfer pets would also complicate this.

Also, what happens if the site glitches (as it is wont to do) and allows people to create/rename pets that the owner had blocked? People would be furious and staff would have to go through and fix everything, refund people who renamed, etc.

Honestly at this point I feel there's basically just back and forth over "I hate option xyz" and really, staff should consider a poll to take into consideration while making their decision moving forward.

Really just these are the options being considered; which do you find most appealing, less appealing, for both choices how do you feel they'd effect your spending habits onsite (not buying csc with sP but actual money) with a response box if possible.

Because let's face it. Overall sub is f2p but I think we all know bills don't pay themselves; with recent changes to monthly bonuses and the talk of subscriptions, site income should be considered. Will people potentially say one thing and then do another? Probably. Will people say they'll leave if xyz happens? Also probably.

However the results could show the bulk of users feel one way or another and with that would be more inclined to spend, or stop spending and that's what should be considered.

(yes it's been touched on here but many people don't even want to post, let alone post and discuss potential spending.)

My read on this is that there is NO answer that will make everyone happy, and it seems like Nicknames are the answer that will make almost no one happy, so I'm erring on the side of Non-Unique names since that'll... Properly bring the site up to the standards of every other pet site I've seen

I am saying this as someone who's waited for clearings and paid for name changes, I'd rather see the site thrive and be up to date than... I guess preserve the value of money I've spent?

It's impossible to have because pets aren't account bound.

Some people would just deny others the ability to duplicate their names, but they'd be free to go and adopt duplicate names from others. Meaning that they'd get potentially everything they'd want, while denying others the same.

It should be a "all or nothing" scenario.

Anyway. Keeping names unique keep one person per name happy. Making names non-unique potentially makes multiple users per name happy.