The fact that the site crash for hours on clearing days because of people ARing is in and off itself a good enough reason enough to get rib of Unique names.

I still support non-unique names. Unique names can create elitism. They break the site. There's no reasons someone else can't have a pet/OC named 'Andromeda' just because I have the name Andromeda.

I still think switching it to nicknames or unique URL would be best.

Also: clearings bring me and a lot of other users I speak to a ton of anxiety. The 'this account will clear on X' banner is broken. I've legit spend THREE AFTERNOONS this week at home just so I can be there for a clearing since oups, it didn't clear the day it said it would!

So yeah, it's time we get rib of unique names and site breaking clearings

i left and came back after a freezing and the only reason i came back is because friends offered to get me names. if i didn't have a chance of some i wouldn't have come back. if non-unique names happened while i was gone i would have had ABSOLUTELY no hesitance coming back. this is a PET SITE at its roots and if theres no good pet names for people to make then people aren't going to want to join. why do you think people get frustrated when they see good names and blank profiles ?? because thats what about 90% of the good names are these days. not everyone wants xxxgrimreaper666xxx as their pet name.

also, how are clearings fun ?? they break the site for 2 to 3 days !! i sure don't enjoy them. i would rather a functioning site than one person only pet names ://

+1 non unique name vote.

i also agree with ( hi ), if names mean so much that people don't want to share then never clear them. i've seen people come back and were LIVID that people took their names and just quit in an angy rage.

I'm sorry to bother you, but is there any progress on the pet name situation, by any chance? D: The last updates we had from you and Rah were 5 months ago.

I'm very attached to the names I do have and there are some that I would just feel downright awkward about "sharing"... While most of them weren't my top choice, I've fallen in love with them over time. That said, I think we are getting to a point where even synonyms for certain words are getting maxed out, because of just how many pet slots a person can have... (And if you have a particular theme you enjoy, like me, you may very well have collected several synonyms without being fully aware of it. Oops!)

But the thing that has finally changed my mind is that the account that Past alluded to has, once again, not cleared... And honestly, I'm not surprised. ARs or not, there are tons of requests being sent to the server at basically the same time. The account literally CANNOT clear because the site's down when the request is sent.

So, I am gonna throw in my support for non-unique names. I would like there to be some sort of way to acknowledge "legacy" names kinda like there was for legacy pets (who have been on an account since before the adoption dates were added), but honestly, it's not that big of a deal to me. (I mean, yeah, sure I'd have the "first" one but not the only one anymore so... meh. whatever.)

TL;DR I'll support non-unique names if it means I can have lots of pet slots and the site won't break.

I like the idea of pet nicknames. Idk how many of us PAID for pet renames but to suddenly lose the csc you put out name changing would turn lots of us off. I think nick names would be a fair compromise.

Many of the people asking for non-unique names are ID collectors or battlers who have already spent hundreds of dollars on renames, and will immediately spend more if this system is implemented - myself and included. I have over 100 pets and every one of them has been renamed at least once in my 14 years on Subeta... some of them several times. And many of them I renamed back when pet renames cost $15 each.

I'd be okay with that... Except I am pretty sure official "aliases" or "nicknames" would not help with name clearings. People are still gonna want the actual name. I mean, I know I would, instead of having pets with three "names": their unique ID, a name that is not the name I want, and the name I actually want.




When I spend CSCs, I expect to get whatever I was trying to buy, nothing else. Once I've got that item, pet slot, pet name-change, GA, etc. that's it... Transaction complete. Things change, sites crash... I'm investing in my own enjoyment, for however long that lasts.

Pet nicknames aren't a solution, because the actual problem is that clearings makes the site borderline unusable.

Making the site actually work is more important to me than having unique names

I 100% support non-unique pet names. I understand it sucks for the people who spent lots of time/money on names, but I don't think that's a good reason not to change things. Lots of things on Subeta have changed over the years to make the game more fun and more accessible, like pet slots. Should we still have ludicrously expensive and limited slots just because some people spent lots of money on theirs?

I thought the whole unique names thing was cool when I first joined. But then I started making my pets, and I realized what a hassle it is. It's disappointing. It's frustrating. It breeds resentment among players when a name is being "wasted". A lot of people (myself included) feel like their pets are less special because they had to give them a stupid name. I hate having to whip out a thesaurus whenever I have an idea, bc the first 30 words/names I thought of for a pet will inevitably be taken. It's a huge pain in the ass and it makes pet creation way less fun imo.

Actually it is funny how people always blame the lag on the clearings. Most lag I experience are not at clearing times and really laggy it only becomes on clearings when super popular names clear which is not that much.

It would be priority to get the site working better in general and IMO the main reason why people leave the site and making names Non-unique will not really benefit the site in the end. It will only make more people turn their back on it.

Actually the nickname idea seems not to bad and could be a good compromise for both sides.

The possibility of 100+ pets with unique names per user is still absurd and moving to a non-unique naming system is long overdue.

I like the idea of nicknames. I could see them being popular even for names that you like, because the name of a pet isn't always what you actually call them.

However, what would this look like in practice? If the pet is leashed, would you see their name or nickname? If you used the [*pet=petname *] code, which name would you use, and which would be displayed? Would that code even be useable anymore? How would the user see the name all over the site?

Would nicknames be free for all, or would it be a CSC-bought thing, or a perk of gold accounts? If you wanted to change a pet's nickname, would that cost CSC as well? If you wanted to change a pet's name, would their nickname stay the same or would it reset with the actual name change?

If you adopted out a pet to another user, or abandoned them into the pound, would they lose their nickname or keep it?

I'm just trying to picture how this would play out in reality.

Also, will doing away with unique names (in whatever form that happens) make people even more crazy about ID numbers?

If it is like on other sites with non-unique names it might happen that people go more crazy over ID and age of the pets. Especially cause low IDs and old pets will get rarer the longer the site exists. On other sites I actually got hacked and pets stolen and betrayed cause of pet IDs or pet age cause this is something you can never get with a clearing. I have seen it is a big money market on other sites and people even sell low IDs for a big amount of real money (some sites allow it and the ones that don't have a big black market).

aw man no more clearings? but i love having to move plans to stay home to refresh like a madman - as the site falls apart on me - while banking on the misfortune of others to get the names i want :ccc this is what makes subeta a fun and relaxing pet site :ccc

/sarcasm

At this point, I really don't care if the site goes with unique or non-unique pet names anymore, because I can live with either. But honestly, I just want some public announcement from the staff about their final decision (I know they said that they'd go with non-unique on a forum post, but it was never announced beyond that thread), because these debates and arguments start to get really repetitive and tiring to me.

If the staff really wants to go with non-unique, the earlier you inform the entire user base, the more time they'd have to digest this piece of information before the actual change. For the unique name supporters who don't frequent the forum, the longer you allow them to spend time and money to do name clearings, the angrier they'd probably get when they realize the site is going non-unique. And on the other hand, those who are fed up with the unique system, and who never frequent the forum, would probably quit at any time because they don't know the staff actually favors non-unique.

Lastly, if non-unique is the way to go, I think name clearing should be halted ASAP along with the announcement. At least, this shows that the staff is really committed to making the change, instead of letting people wondering and waiting for the implementation of the new system. And yes, I know it's not easy to implement the new system, and it won't be the top priority, but you gotta let people know that it will happen. And it'd be better if there's a timeline even if you will miss the deadlines and have to postpone things, but please just keep your users informed.

Those are my feelings on the matter as well. ">This is the last post I'm aware of mentioning the topic. After it was posted, my friends and I went CRAZY working on our pets, making spreadsheets of our plans, gathering and organizing TC items, drawing art, everything! But then weeks passed. Then months. I haven't touched anything on my account since well before the pandemic, which is sad, because the shutdown would have been the PERFECT time to sit here and work on a ton of character stuff. It's a huge missed opportunity. I would have dumped so much money into Subeta if I had anything to spend it on, but pet enthusiasts have very few ways to support the site right now. :c

I just want to know if I should finally stop investing my time and creativity here. Five months is a LONG time to be strung along on a vague promise.

I think before anything is changed or set in stone, there should be a news post linking to an admin made board, a poll, something that gathers the opinion of the vast majority of the site - rather than a forum that maybe not everyone sees/thinks to go to.

That being said, if a board were created, they could list a few options of what could be done, ranging from: 1.) Leaving the system the way it is 2.) Leaving the system the way it is but changing up the clearing system (potentially making it totally random, or having an admin do it at random, etc? Something like that - I don't run the site so I'm not going to list 1000% different ideas but that way, there wouldn't be any lag - since that's one of the largest complaints against it, yes?) 3.) Nicknames 4.) Totally non-unique names

//

I personally think a fair compromise would be to allow those that want it to have non-unique names and those that don't, don't. Just have a system to turn it off/on per account or something - and once it's on/off, it stays that way - can't change it multiple times.

If a person likes non-unique pet names, they can flip that switch on their account and create any name owned by anyone else that wants non-unique pet names. Any user that doesn't want non-unique pet names can leave their 'switch' off - and their pet names can be unique but they ALSO can't just create any name they want. So, if User A left their switch off (wanting to stick with unique names) but they really wanted Bob (owned by another user) - unless they allow THEIR names to be non-unique, they can't create a Bob of their own.

So, that way, people that want unique names aren't benefiting from names being a free-for-all. They have to be willing to share their own names as well.

Only...written better. x.o Because I suck at explaining things.

I think that would be good because it'd be a slower transition towards non-unique pet names. Eventually, users leaves, users get frozen, whatever it may be; within a year or two, most names (if not all) would be available to be non-unique, most likely and it'd be a little less 'shocking' towards the user base that Subeta's already built that are used to (or like) the unique name system.

//

That's my two cents though.

TL;DR - Before anything happens, have an admin make a very public board or poll, linked to in the news, to gather what option the majority of the site would feel would be a good fit for Subeta.

//

Edit: Also, a little more fuel for discussion; I do think that should non-unique names become a thing, it would only make sense to charge for copying a pre-existing name. After all, one of the main discussions here is benefiting Subeta itself, right? So, if it could earn additional revenue for Subeta for more features, coders, artists, whatever it may be - why not?

Business wise, in past sites I've played that have switched to or been on this system, it isn't terribly fruitful for the site.

What's often brought up here as well is "well, if I were new here"... So, playing though the non-unique scenario. I'm a newbie here, really excited, adopting new pets from the pound. I see a Glade Anyu, nothing special about it, but cool none the less. Fast forward a month, finally realize I can have any name I want. If the ID, birthday or stats on this Glade Anyu aren't special, am I really going to spend $15 (or whatever a name change costs these days) to rename it Bob. Or am I going to look at the price of Glade Potions (about 18 million) and say EH! And just toss it in the pound so I can create Bob for free and repaint him myself?

It's the latter, trust me, I used to see it happen all the time. Unless there is something special about them, they're getting flung into the pound and I can just get the name I want without supporting the site to do it.

Yes, when the initial change happens, there will be a large influx of name changes for pets with low IDs, large amount of treasure, etc. But as that slows down, new people join and the system is in play for a while, very few people will pay for name changes when they can just remake the pet for sP they can make doing a week of Saggi quests.

I think a $1 to $5 charge would benefit the site in general while still allowing people to have non-unique names - potentially, without the option for CSC equivalent (for the same reason mentioned above.)

Please, please consider making a poll before any major changes occur. Many people (myself included) do not feel comfortable posting on these forums; it would be a much kinder way to get a more accurate feel for what the community wants. :)

That's...not really possible to implement, because of one thing - pet adoption. People disallowing their names to be duplicates could still adopt pets in the Adoption Center that have duplicate names, meaning that they get the butter, and the butter's worth in money.

You either allow all names to be duplicated, or none of them - the opt-in system is too finnick and too many potential exploits and loopholes can be used.

Are we ever going to get an update from staff on this? The last update we got was from ">here saying they wanted to move away for unique names. And months later... still no news and still the same arguments back and forth between users...

Is there a point in keeping this thread going if a decision has been made?