Excuse you, I need that 25 csc autotraining pls and thank you. Think of it as a convenience fee. You pay more but you don't have to sit there reentering your pet every session.

I think having autotraining switched to sp would kill most of the convenience for me. That's why I buy most of my csc - so I don't have to spend time questing or w/e just so I can afford to train my smaller pets. Both options would be nice, if anything.

Hopefully this will be a good change and bring in users like me who don't spend CSC casually. I think this worked out well for the Ooh La Layers (25 CSC) to sP conversion (75k), despite the handful of ridiculous complaints.

mostly because sometimes, csc sits in my shop for a while before it sells. It's more.. instantaneous? to pay with csc. I can see your point about not wanting to set an 'official' conversion rate, though.

To those users who have billions with nothing to spend it on - how about spending it on fellow users? No, you won't have anything on your account in return but it's rewarding helping others. Same applies to RL. The billionaires in the world spend excess money on charities and making donations. If I'd won millions from the lottery I'd share the wealth.

Just a thought.

I think switching some items from csc to sP is a great idea, especially the autotrain (and delish lines, etc). I wouldn't mind selling csc for sP at that point.

Yes I was thinking, people might even still need to buy CSC to afford the 800K, so it's a win-win kinda. On a large scale, in theory, this also means the price of CSC would go down.

Edit : obviously you guys already addressed these things, I hadn't read past Keith's ping.

See : this is interesting though. People say they buy CSC for autotraining and the like for convenience, but don't sell it. People buy CSC but don't sell it to other users, that's why the price is high - every other feature costs CSC. If more people start selling it.. well you get the picture.

Charity is a nice thought and I have seen people spend and put a lot of time into gifts, whether they're anon or user plots or not. However, I don't think that will significantly address the problems in the economy much like RL. This is coming from someone who thinks [sic] many comparisons between RL and Subeta are irrelevant.

What needs to be addressed is supply and demand, not the 1% so to speak. [edit] Humblest apologies for hitting a nerve.

Winning the lottery is very different from working for every cent, just years time. With the lottery you essentially go from nothing to a lot - so you feel like you don't need the money. Most billionaires on Subeta got there through questing and restocking for years. They make one million at a time, and giving it out is giving out days of their work. With the lottery, you're giving out nanoseconds.

I know I spend 98% of my money on users - as in, I buy things mostly from User Shops. But giving away in a charity-way ? Please. We don't play Subeta to be Mother-f*ing-Theresa.

Those billions being "hoarded" by the 1% isn't really the issue here. The problem seems to be too much supply of sP, and not enough demand for it. having richer users flood the market with it would just exacerbate the issue

Economic theories and models are not defined in the real world - that's why they're called models. They're imagined in virtual worlds. If you had to vulgarize, a model goes like this : "In theory, if we do this, the economy will tend towards that" and then you make a simulation in a virtual environment that you draw conclusions from. What people then do in governments and whatnot, is try to apply those virtual models to the real world - it only makes sense that we apply them back into virtual situations, hence the relevance.

I do see how they apply here.

I was speaking more in generalities, like when people say things like pound clearings hurt the pets, or Major Drills and bird watching need to be more tedious.

it applies everywhere there's a community of people and money, and people spending the money, and money distribution

However, I don't know how "pound clearings hurt the pets, or Major Drills and bird watching need to be more tedious" has anything to do with this thread

Jesus ok then. All hail.

I guess the point is that when people say that "this is a pixel economy there's no relevance to any real economic concepts" it comes across as crass and uncaring and is the surprising sentiment of people until things blow up. The reality is that economics is a social science - while high powered models don't apply to subeta due to a less complex economy, the basis of many principles are the foundational hub around which the site functions. Things like the value of currency, inflationary pressures, and supply and demand are supposedly controlled in order to get a seamless experience where people don't really have to worry about those aspects, and can enjoy other parts of the site.

People rarely note the care that can (or should) go into maintaining this sense of balance, and simply dismiss it as "it's a pixelated economy, it ignores the basis of how an economy should work. Give everybody everything!". The reality is that trading is based off of how valuable your base currency is and think about a game like subeta where it would be difficult to purchase from other users. The original concern of the thread was that too much sP is flowing into the economy. Whether or not it's a valid concern remains to be seen, but the backlash it received was pretty insane IMO. The impact would just be a gradual devaluation in fixed value assets, like CSC. But people love their big numbers they have, when in truth it's more about the relative value of your worth to the populace, due to buying power.

Sorry for the ramble and scattered thoughts, at work right now and can't continuously type so it's making my point bounce around. /just a reactive response to "subeta economy runs by its own rules and ignores all basic principles of economics

I am sorry that I was interpreted that way. I didn't mean for it to come across like that, I just wanted to be consistent with how I usually respond on here on other matters (irrelevant to this particular subject) and found fault with the charity comparison, not how much people are invested in this site. I do understand that people are getting so heated because they really do care about its future.

wasn't intended to come across directly to you. I just got done reading the front of this thread and watching people express the more rigid belief that "just because subeta wishes it, so it shall be" has sort of rubbed me the wrong way. Wasn't meant to go after you at all haha.

Haha, got it.

Your post brought up important points. I think even the most sP-hungry players would be displeased if the conversion rate to CSC ballooned out of control. It seems that many people abandon sites like this one because game currency becomes worthless and people feel that they have no choice but to pay-to-play.