I think collection items are perfectly fine as prizes. In fact, I think that the custom items are a great idea. The winners SHOULD get some recognition/legacy.

I think people,myself included, think the way prizes were given is the main issue. I feel like a prize shop would help solve majority of the issue. Maybe others will agree.

Exactly what I'm thinking as well. Unfortunately, Rah may be right about the feedback being overwhelmingly positive for all the reasons pointed out. Satisfied folks don't usually have a need to post that on the forums as its the haters that usually are enraged with sheer passion to post. (it's happened to irl elections actually, mayor had the majority but lost office because more of the haters bothered showing up to vote, the happy people were quite complacent about the whole thing)

Anyway, I guess what I want to really add is this shouldn't be a numbers game? So what if the "majority" loved it? When you have the folks that scored top scores in street team not happy about the way they were treated? It's these people that go beyond and above and guess what? I find it hard to believe that their motivation for doing the same in future events hasn't been destroyed. Same goes for band creators and finalists. So I guess if subeta wants to see these people go or turn utterly complacent, then subeta has differing priorities from what I think it should have. Not that my opinion means diddly squat, because it doesn't. But there. I said it. It's this sort of HnR won with the highest number of points numbers game logic that's going to drive people that do care away. I can't even talk about the newbies whose first event was this. Have fun with your numbers, I guess?

Nobody is asking for them to be made ineligible, we're asking that they're not the grand prize, thus making them uber exclusive and rare. Also, a PRIZE SHOP. That way those who collect plushies can use their points for that, and those that collect wears can use their points on that, and those that don't care can "sell" their points to the people who do, etc. I really don't understand what's so hard to grasp about this.

What they don't understand is why we don't appreciate the system they spent so long choosing and clearly it was the fairest one!

(that was sarcastic)

Prize shops are one format and can be great, but they just aren't practical for every event. Some, sure! Others, not so much. My question is aimed more at the ones where a prize shop doesn't work out (not a good way to set up a point breakdown, not enough prizes to justify a shop, or whatever) and you're just getting a handful of items at the end.

Clothing is a bit different for the reasons you gave, but (probably because I am a wardrobe hoarder) I feel it is a collection as well and I know a lot of people feel similar frustrations over say, the secondskin as say, sticker collectors over the sew crafty one. But hey, even leaving clothing in as an option I still feel a lot of people would be frustrated with a lack of variety in prizes. I just feel like the reality is that unless something is collectible, generally people don't want it.

So I'm a bit confused about the statement that "some people COULDN'T play the game, but they were part of the winning team and were on the forums so they got prizes" because... I just don't get it. They couldn't play the game, and basically got the same amount of prizes as someone who could...? I just- okay, so in past events, for whatever reason, people couldn't participate in elements of events. Which happens. But they didn't get MORE prizes than people who did, just for picking the right side? I don't think anyway... thinking back on, for example, Manwar and Nico, Manwar was the winner. Did the team members get an automatic unlimited number of points (aka to get all the prizes) when they hadn't restocked one item? I just don't follow, I feel like I'm missing something.

People who CAN'T participate in the part that gets a lot of points for a team.. they get participation prizes, not top prizes... doesn't that logic follow?

Give prizes with participation cut-offs, with ONE or TWO unique prizes for the winning team and supporters, ONE unique prize for the runner-up and ONE unique prize for each of the winning categories.

Everything else should be counted by participation, and participation only.

If you want more distribution. Crystal Shop. Token Shop. Millionaire Center. Hustler.

Brillant analogy. I wasn't given the same number of points to spend as the top scorer of my team

A simple solution (that has already been used) is to make a prize shop. That way, if you collect plushies, you spend your points on plushies and ignore the stickers, or vice versa. You make the stuff AVAILABLE. Or if you really hate the prize shop idea, then make the "collection items" lower level prizes that most people get and the higher level, exclusive prizes, cute but useless items.

As for people not being able to earn points because the game was bugged, there should be more than one way to make points. There should ALWAYS be more than one way to make points. I was good at the game, but still hated it and the point distribution was ridiculous - with a lot of people not able to do better than 100 pt, while others could make 1000s of points fairly easily.

the problem is that there are ~200 of those stickers/plushie/beanbags and that means that only 200 people will ever be able to complete a collection? They disappear forever once they are added. Collection items given in a prize shop for example, or the Quest Shops can continue to be purchased. Not in this case, where if you want one you'll end up paying 100+ mil I think i saw quoted somewhere. Completely impossible once they're gone, so it's not like wardrobe items at all, especially since you need all of them for the achievement. Wardrobe achievements are just about the number.

I want to be clear on that I don't think collection items shouldn't be given as prizes, that's crazy. They don't need to be the top 1% prize that only a handful of people are getting. Potions, tokens, account bonuses, things of that nature are way better for top prizes anyway? Not to mention in this event, the winners were already promised exclusive custom items. They didn't need sixteen other things that make the game impossible to finish for everyone else.

I kinda feel like that's a bit of a cop out answer. Why can't a prize shop be used in every event? What good reason is there, really? You don't have to have 50+ items to have a shop. This was probably one of the easier events to set up a blanket reward system.

Make a band? 10 points Support a band? 10 points Play the game once? 10 points Be the top ten scorer for the game? 10 points Be a finalist? 10 points Be a genre winner? 10 points Win BOTB? 20 points PLUS the exclusive items (1-2 not 6. Seriously, wtf.) for free Support the winning team? ONE free exclusive item of their choice. (Much like a VIP sections!!)

Done. Set prize prices accordingly. took me less than 5 minutes and its much better than this thing.

Maybe I wasn't clear, but my question had nothing to do with the prize distribution for this particular event. I have seen people state in this thread and around site that they are frustrated with seeing collection items given out as prizes and suggesting that future event prizes not include collection items. Hence my question, if collection items were removed, what sorts of things would people be expecting to see as prizes and that they would see as being worth time spent participating?

Yeah, you were not clear.

Like someone said, the plan is not to make beanbags and stickers huge NO NO for events. The issue is not with the nature of the items, but with their distribution.

Notice that even after years have passed, I can still get a for less than 3M. Or book drive stickers.

Also, my first restock war, I got as a prize. It's really affordable even if we haven't had a restock war in years. They're not top prizes, granted, but there are still lots and lots that are not in collections.

The real issue I have, like I said, is not the nature of the items given. I want things to be fairer to people that busted their fingers into playing, even if people that just pushed the right button and played twice are going to QnQ over it.

To be fair, any item on Subeta -- including collection items -- only has value if you personally give it value. I've seen a few people who got the sticker for being in the top 25% who were going, "The eff? I wasted my time for this?" Being a collection item didn't make it valuable to them, because they didn't collect stickers.

I'm what I would call a lazy collector. I do try to collect, but without getting worked up over the items, given the sheer volume of items like the sew crafty sticker. So even though I might like a plushie, I might prefer one plushie over another. Like during the last EPICon, I personally liked over . Or like you see people doing now: people who don't even collect stickers holding onto the HnR sticker because of the sentimental value attached to it.

i can't speak for the collection issue as i am not a collector, but we're at 12 pages in and i still fail to grasp why prizes couldn't have been awarded on merit.

typically, when we have events, i put in a lot of effort because i'm assuming the payoff will reflect that. if i fail to reach the top tier of prizes because i didn't put in the work, i have no one to blame but myself. things like that just encourage me to work harder and dedicate more of my time so that the next time there's an event, i'll do better.

but here? it didn't matter if i put in 1 point or 1 million points, my prizes would essentially be the same. why? i picked the wrong team. yes, obviously the winning team put in a lot of effort, but why does that nullify the effort everyone else put in? why is effort rewarded for one team, then effectively punished for every other team?

I'm confused why TC items, food, wearables are so bad as prizes? There are hundreds of thousands of items people could/do use for TCs. There are always items out there and even making multiples of some versions is great. Stat boosters, maybe? I'm just somewhat confused why Subeta acts like TC items and Wearables have a finite supply? Decent eyes. Tattoos. Good shorts/skirts. Horns. Popular things are always in fashion. Just look at CWs. Even TC items -- goodness. Tattoo artists, jewelry, animal items, etc. And to reiterate -- we're not saying don't make them prizes. Just don't make them top tier prizes. :(

^^^ This is it, right here.

Ideally, if Prize SHop distribution isn't deemed practical (but I agree with the user that said that's kind of a cop out) I'd love to see the event grand prizes go hand-in-hand with the type of the event. We don't get badass weapons for winning an avatar dress a up contest. Those are reserved for the events that involve battling. Same should hold true for avatar dress up events: The rarest of the prizes should be wearables.

There is nothing wrong with giving away stickers, books, plushies and whatnot as participation prizes. It's staff's recent habit of making things like stickers super duper rare that is the real kick in the teeth

This also reminds me that the fact of being a finalist was the worst thing that could happen to your band, because you made twice the effort (getting the band ready, good-looking and advertising, AND having to play that game for points) to get just a ridiculous fraction of the prizes that were awarded to the winning team supporters.

Agree!! I knew my band wasn't going to be the top with the support and what not with the other bands. I feel like it sucks to make it to the finals with how things were done. People shouldn't wish their band hadn't made it to the finals. :/

I'm really honestly sorry that I hated this event so much, I do. I've known you for 5ever, and I know that you really do care about the userbase and want to make as many of us happy as you can.

I'm going to stay very.. short.. about the BotB ordeal because I've really got little to nothing positive to say about how it turned out. I do hope you've taken a few notes on key issues we've had (only one means of earning points-- for future ideas: posting on your band/team's board for a point a pop, "donating" refreshments to your team/band for a point, battling a super easy fangirl!punchingbag or the wishing shrubb for a point a pop, doing specific quests for a point each-- perhaps a different quest daily, trying to get them to spread the word by doing all their bidding etc), and do go with the prize shop next time.

I can honestly say that Im still pretty miffed about the prizes, especially since the band!based 6 are pretty much literally unobtainable. I agree with most that the damage has already been done, and that giving out more of those items wouldn't be the answer and it's kinda too late for a prize shop. I'm glad I got the books I needed for 1k but, and that at least the music sheets were obtainableish.

Would you consider consulting with the band/your team about recoloring those band exclusive wearable prizes and releasing those items somewhere (even if it's in the cash shop, or a "temp" peka-van that'll be around for a week? Or maybe a hustler "knock-off" or something) for the masses? Change the color of the roses, or remove the roses entirely, etc. It wouldn't devalue their items, they got the originals + the vinyl + the original contacts. Usually I'd just move on with my life, but I think it's pretty obvious most people were very scorned over the way the BotB turned out, and I'd personally consider it water under the bridge for something to this effect to take place.

I'll also add that, overall the event itself was fun. I liked the food trucks, I liked the wishing shrub, I liked the items, I liked the concept of the "Create a band" contest though I think it would have been better if it was more like a "cosplay a band" and then band originality would have counted for points and there had only been x NPC bands in the end. I also liked the CW contest aspect, and how most of the items could be purchased with csc (I think all of them should have been, or a wearable should have been the special not-buyable item). What killed me was the 30+ bands, and the one game to support them, and then the prize distribution just really ruined it for me entirely.

.. that didn't turn out short at all opps.

That said, my issues aren't so much that there are collection based items involved with plot prizes-- but that these items are included in the tippy-top prize bracket. Books, especially, because users can have up to 43 pets. Between myself and 2 friends, we could technically dissolve HALF of the vinyl books in circulation. One user can't use 43 beanbags, but they could use 43 books y'know?

I think the top of the top tier prizes should be exclusively wearables, minions, weapons, and achievements. I say this because 3 of these can be resold and the other isn't tangible at all. And when I say top tier I mean anything less than 300 copies. Anything greater than 300 of an item going into the system, should be fair game.